gundamkyoukai
Member
It's not even the price that is the problem since those GPU have a very high mark up .
It's the TDP that is the problem , PC gpu have become monsters when comes to heat .
You can fit that sort of stuff in a consoles size box .
Giant Bomb: PS4.5 / PS4K is codenamed NEO, more info
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It's not even the price that is the problem since those GPU have a very high mark up .
It's the TDP that is the problem , PC gpu have become monsters when comes to heat .
You can fit that sort of stuff in a consoles size box .
Sum-Mischief
Member
Hmmm. Ok.
Day one for me. Enable pre-order !
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Day one for me. Enable pre-order !
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Simply Sami
Member
Greedy Sony? Grow up.
All big companies are greedy. Also it's been pointed out 1000 times. YOU DO NOT NEED TO UPGRADE. Your current PS4 will work fine.
Ok, seriously, what do you think is going to happen? Developers are going to optimize for the Xbox One, optimize for the PS4K, and shit out a port for the console with by far the largest user base?
Green Yoshi
Member
PS4 will be Last Gen when PS4K hits the stores.
I expect a lot of crappy cross gen games as Shadow of Mordor, The Evil Within, Wolfenstein: The New Order, Watch Dogs, Thief and Dragon Age: Inquisition on PS3.
I guess they were not able to produce a cheaper PS4 on the new manufacturing process. All those little pins on an APU need their space after all don't shrink on a new manufacturing process and so they couldn't shrink the overall chip area although they can now put more transistors in the same area. This helped to make newer (Slim) Playstations cheaper in the past. So it seems they went with the second best option producing a better APU with roughly the same chip area / manufacturing price ( actually it might be mix of shrinking the APU somewhat and putting more transistors on it).
Same goes for the bandwidth, the faster clocked memory is probably the same price as slower, old spec memory and they didn't want the PS4 to become any more expensive.
That's why the improvements are so half assed .
dead monkey uk
Member
A problem I can see Sony having is when screenshots or gameplay are shown are comments going to be dominated by people asking is it PS4K or PS4.
wapplew
Member
So it's capable of running this tech demo? What about the elemental demo running svogi?
Can't wait to see the new god of war at e3 so we can truly see how good this system will bump the visuals.
It's capable but it won't happen because PS4 will holding it back.
This demo ran on a 680 iirc, if this info is correct and the new GPU is ~3.7TFLOPs it should be possible.
SVOGI in a super-complex game i have my doubts though.
Glorified G
Member
I would expect this too if PS4K was 10x the power of PS4 and had completely different architecture.
Green Yoshi
Member
Indeed. But what if Microsoft announces an improved Xbox One, too? If it's as powerful as the PS4K this would be a great success for Microsoft.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Yes Europeans will wait 3 years before they can start playing certain games on PS5.
People will buy it once the price is right just like everything else.
Audioboxer
Member
The hardware is running the same kind of memory/cpu/gpu just clocked better or more modern versions. It should be as scaleable as things are in the PC world.
Yes the proof will be with what devs actually do, but I do not think it should be challenging when they're already creating versions of games between an XB1, PS4 and PC all potentially running on similar x86 hardware.
Then I would expect devs to still be releasing XB1/PS4 versions of games?
Grechy34
Member
Arrogant fool. Those who cannot understand that this will hurt many of the current Sony userbase are just plain naive. A lot of users including myself feel cheated by Sony on this.
Bitch Pudding
Member
The thing is, there still is the magical $399 price tag. What Sony does with PS4k is delivering the best possible $399 SKU they could come up with, concerning it had to be 100% compatible w/ Vanilla PS4, that is.
If MS releases a new XBOX at the end of 2017, than they will also try to deliver the best possible hardware available at that point - for $399. Will that one year of additional development result in a significantly faster hardware? Of course it will. But will it also top the last generation's power by the factor of 8 to 10? No, not even close. Bottom line: MS may try what in Formula One one would call "undercutting" the opponent, but that doesn't mean they're still in the lead when their opponent makes his move.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Hopefully devs will find it easy just to get PS4 30fps games running at 60fps on PS4K given the GPU is more than 2x more powerful. Shame about the CPU but maybe it won't be a concern. Surprised they didn't go for GDDR5X higher bandwidth and lower power use?
The ps3 architecture is completely different compared to the ps4's architecture. Porting a ps4 game to ps3 is extremely hard.
If Microsoft releases a new Xbox One upgraded console, I expect devs to "forget" about XB1/PS4 versions by early 2018. Just make them playable with stable framerate and not optimize them that much. Focus entirely on new and easier platforms to develop (and by that time already with a smaller userbase than PS4/XB1 owners considering the hardcore fans will upgrade).
People can't forget that developers budget and time will not increase because of this. So they have to make choices in the end of they day, and as always they will forever pick what is more powerful and easier to develop like anyone of us would.
If Microsoft is smart and stays put then it's better for PS4 owners because they will just get the XB1 version optimized for their platform. With time and budget being divided into 4 instead of 5 platforms (assuming 3rd party keeps ignoring Nintendo). Devs will not ignore Microsoft and keep a dedicated team optimizing the XB1/PS4 version which will end up being the same specs in less than 18 months. Why bother giving the PS4 better resolution than XB1 version? If it can run on XB1 it will run stable on PS4, so ship it like XB1. If you want better resolution just get the shiny PS4.5.
Hydrargyrus
Member
I think that we will see more games at 60fps in both platforms, one at 1080p (with some effects) in NEO and the other at 900p in the OG.
Locking it at 60fps from the beginning seems the easier option, even sacrificing resolution
Locking it at 60fps from the beginning seems the easier option, even sacrificing resolution
Green Yoshi
Member
That's not necessary for crappy ports. Just Cause 3 and Firewatch run very poorly on PS4, but they are exceptions. I fear that we will see a lot more exceptions in the future.
It's going to happen sadly.
lmao nope, thats not how that works.
anyone expecting a massive boost from the ps4k will be very disappointed.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
What are the chances for an event for PS4k before e3 ? I liked what they did in 2013. Show the console (in Sony's case the controller) and then the games at e3.
DryvBy
Member
There goes them beating their PS2 record. And good luck selling anyone a PS5 on launch.
No, BB won't unless they develop for the NEO.
Day 1 for me, I just hope there is some sort of trade in program for my PS4.
I wonder if games like Bloodborne would see a boost to FPS on the new console....
Either way, pretty excited for this
No, BB won't unless they develop for the NEO.
Microsoft actually said something similar about Europeans early this gen after screwing them up with their vision for XB1 and tiers and people said "they will not resist when Halo releases". Ask Microsoft how that tactic is working for them in Europe right now.
This is Sony land but it's Sony land for a reason. The goodwill will not be the same after this, that's for sure.
No one will beat PS2 sales.
But who was early adopters?
In before PS4 games get PS4K ports. What happened to the American Dream? It came true.....
Of all the childish posts I've seen this surely takes the cake, so nintendo was greedy for releasing the new 3ds? Which is exactly what sony is doing, really people, read your posts before posting them
Every time i think this you Europeans always prove me wrong. So, i doubt it lol
This should have been a red flag. It's clear we're either missing something, or this information isn't real.
Interfectum
Member
It won't. Stop being so dramatic.
It depends on the game. Its not out of the question but you should basically go in expecting better visuals and far more stable performance, but not a full doubling of FPS
The CPU is pants but having OS on a separate ISA / architecture makes no sense.
Uh....what?
SmartWaffles
Member
More related to the simplicity of one codebase for one single CPU architecture.
gundamkyoukai
Member
A upgrade after 3 years is no where near the same as what MS were trying to do .
Plus anyone that said Europeans were going to but X1 for Halo is out of there mind unless they maybe talking about UK.
Once Sony price it right it won't matter to many people , hell they got away with 600 price console and months later in EU.
Audioboxer
Member
If anything it will drive down the cost of the current PS4 meaning more people can pick one up. From RRP, to trade-ins helping the 2nd hand market price.
As long as Sony stay rigid to the rumoured plans of devs supporting both, and not doing exclusive content, the original PS4 will still be a great buy for many years.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Nonsense. Are you blindly ignoring the specs in the OP? The jump from PS4 to 4K is nowhere near the leap from PS3 to PS4.
That isn't going to happen.
Kölsch Bloot
Member
Me too.
If it is going to be these exact spects I can't help myself but think it's been a move to counter the Bone rumors which might as well be false too.
Of the many things I don't get about this, is that Sony is asking for 400€ for PSVR this Fall but at the same is planning to launch a new console that will cost exactly the same.
So in the end they are asking for 800€ to get the full VR experience? How are they going to sell 2 new products at the same time? Bundle them could work I guess but at the same time you are marketing that the full VR experience is with PS4.5 will is probably what they want.
I see people are upset with that term I used on my rant. But to me it's greedy because Sony wasn't upfront about this when they started selling their PS4 (I know why of course) but everyone expects console generations to be closed. Every PS4 would be the same and play exactly the same until PS5. Sony returned to the top of the market and pull this off 3 years after launching their new platform which to me is fucking with your most loyal userbase, which are the early adopters. Early adopters accept the early days problems of a new generation because they used to believe they would get 5-6 years of their product being the "center of attention" for that particular company. Now they lived the early day pains and when the rewards started to arrive, Sony says if you want those rewards you have to upgrade to their new shiny product in sale for €400. Next time you will definitely not sell 30M+ consoles in 2.5 years that's for sure. Why buy early if you get the better version when the early pains are over. And if you can't get people to buy early to create a healthy userbase, sayonara. But you get what you wish for I guess.
So in the end they are asking for 800€ to get the full VR experience? How are they going to sell 2 new products at the same time? Bundle them could work I guess but at the same time you are marketing that the full VR experience is with PS4.5 will is probably what they want.
I see people are upset with that term I used on my rant. But to me it's greedy because Sony wasn't upfront about this when they started selling their PS4 (I know why of course) but everyone expects console generations to be closed. Every PS4 would be the same and play exactly the same until PS5. Sony returned to the top of the market and pull this off 3 years after launching their new platform which to me is fucking with your most loyal userbase, which are the early adopters. Early adopters accept the early days problems of a new generation because they used to believe they would get 5-6 years of their product being the "center of attention" for that particular company. Now they lived the early day pains and when the rewards started to arrive, Sony says if you want those rewards you have to upgrade to their new shiny product in sale for €400. Next time you will definitely not sell 30M+ consoles in 2.5 years that's for sure. Why buy early if you get the better version when the early pains are over. And if you can't get people to buy early to create a healthy userbase, sayonara. But you get what you wish for I guess.
Audioboxer
Member
No as the current PS4 will do VR "fine". No need to get a newer model to run your VR. It's well known PC VR will forever be superior, so those wanting to go for PSVR are hardly being tricked, expectations are already set it's not going to be top end PC like. A "full experience"? Isn't that in the eye of the beholder? Why not just say you need a PC for a full experience, PSVR is a sham? People will decide what is good enough for them and on what budget.
The original PS4 was already abandoning the traditional generation model by being very reasonably specced from the start. The PS4 best bang-for-buck in 2014 unlike a PS2 that went from high end electronics to toy.
My guess is that the visual improvements that a box twice the price of the PS4 would be able to produce didn't inspire much awe with regular customers or that it was unreasonable to think that any publisher would spend the money to produce those graphics in a GTA or Fallout scale. Especially at the start of the generation when there are only 10 Million consoles in the market.
The time it took until AAA developers focussed on games only for PS4 and XBone was already long enough. The start of this generation was mostly cross-generation titles and "remasters" and all that while "core" consoles sold a better than ever.
Image how long it would have taken if the PS4 and XBone where 600$ or if the last generation wasn't that stretched out.
Tldr: the PS4 was already a non-traditional approach to solve the hen-and-egg problem of launching a console.
How long do you expect them to have had this in development just to 'counter' some Xbox One rumors from a month or two ago?
The performance is going to be far more solid, and the visuals are going to be a lot better. I think its obvious they were planning for this since atleast sometime last year
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Except you can also use PSVR with your regular PS4 as well?
johancruijff
Banned
if this comes with a BR 4k player (native not upscaled) it's day 1 for me
no brainer
no brainer