neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
Sure it has some great games, but I just can't support Nintendo right now in their current state. They're anti-consumer as hell right now. It goes beyond just having a few good games.
Nintendo has been making the same games since the 80s
- Thread starter skypunch
- Start date
You really could not have set this thread off on a worst start with that title and citing Fallout 4 as inspiration. However,
This is pretty much impossible to argue against. Diversification is a good thing, and Nintendo's is lacking. Particularly with the WiiU, as much as I've enjoyed it.
This is pretty much impossible to argue against. Diversification is a good thing, and Nintendo's is lacking. Particularly with the WiiU, as much as I've enjoyed it.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Thats up to you but you'll be missing out.
Pancakes R Us
Member
Was reading down the thread hoping for a post like this.
Yes it does lol, same-screen 2-4 player MP in a 3D platformer.
The cat suit powerup is not as central as the gravity mechanics, but it's there and it adds verticality to the classic 3D Mario gameplay.
If you say you won't buy anything from an anti-consumer business, you're going to find yourself not buying much of anything, unfortunately. Especially with video games.
Same here. I had plenty of "deep" games in my teenager/early twenties. Now i enjoy the craftmanship and solid design of Nintendo games. It also helps that you can pick it up and play for 20 minutes and leave it as you please.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
And yet you own a 3DS. A dated as fuck system with a far worse gimmick, and one that was RIDICULOUSLY overpriced especially when it first came out. The idea that Nintendo are anti consumer with Wii U but 3DS is fine is laughable.
Adam_Vania
Banned
The day Nintendo makes a game that controls as awkwardly as Witcher 3 or feels as pointless as Fallout 4 will be the day they are no longer special.
Mario doesn't need a "strong narrative". It would be intensely and historically sad if Nintendo cashed in everything that made them unique and interesting to try to make some western style RPG.
Honestly confused about why "strong narratives" are such a thing nowadays. It's like everyone has turned into an aspiring screenwriter. Video games in general don't need "strong narratives". The narrative tends to be the absolute least important part of a game for me.
In fact "Strong narratives" are the least important part of ANY work of art imo whether it be film or novels or painting or dance or music etc. My favorite movie ever is "2001" which could probably be said to have a weak narrative but honestly don't care Kubrick didn't make that movie to impress aspiring screenwriters he made it to make some great damn art.
That's what Nintendo does, just deal w it.
Mario doesn't need a "strong narrative". It would be intensely and historically sad if Nintendo cashed in everything that made them unique and interesting to try to make some western style RPG.
Honestly confused about why "strong narratives" are such a thing nowadays. It's like everyone has turned into an aspiring screenwriter. Video games in general don't need "strong narratives". The narrative tends to be the absolute least important part of a game for me.
In fact "Strong narratives" are the least important part of ANY work of art imo whether it be film or novels or painting or dance or music etc. My favorite movie ever is "2001" which could probably be said to have a weak narrative but honestly don't care Kubrick didn't make that movie to impress aspiring screenwriters he made it to make some great damn art.
That's what Nintendo does, just deal w it.
Why would you want them to get out of their element and work at a complete disadvantage regarding their own talents and know how. They need to make what they do best.
Plus Nintendo in house along with all of their collaborative developers are the most diverse publisher there is.
You want a narrative driven game? Play Mother 3.
Want "deep" (what the fuck is deep) gameplay? How about Bayonetta 2 and W101.
Want hard games? Play Donkey Kong or Fire Emblem
I mean, this is the same house that has stuff from Xenoblade to Pikmin, Fatal Frame to Splatoon and Zelda to Rhythm Heaven.
So either look up the things they do a little bit more in depth, or just play games from other publishers. They're not perfect, but pushing them towards the homogenization of AAA videogames is a situation where no one wins.
Plus Nintendo in house along with all of their collaborative developers are the most diverse publisher there is.
You want a narrative driven game? Play Mother 3.
Want "deep" (what the fuck is deep) gameplay? How about Bayonetta 2 and W101.
Want hard games? Play Donkey Kong or Fire Emblem
I mean, this is the same house that has stuff from Xenoblade to Pikmin, Fatal Frame to Splatoon and Zelda to Rhythm Heaven.
So either look up the things they do a little bit more in depth, or just play games from other publishers. They're not perfect, but pushing them towards the homogenization of AAA videogames is a situation where no one wins.
So you're missing out on several true classics because of political reasons, if I knew that I wouldn't have replied to you initially, thanks for clarifying.
The bitsize, pick up & play stuff just doesnt fulfill me anymore. Especially after playing stuff like Half Life 2 & The Witcher 3 & Fallout 4.
Captain Europe
Member
Those games are completely different genres and incomparable.
I finished loads of Nintendo games as a kid, I don't think for a second I could have finished Xenoblade X as a kid.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I'm easily able to enjoy the types of games you described, as well as Nintendo's offerings.
Like, I can play Pac Man CE one minute and have no problem jumping into Quantum Break the next.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Oh jesus thread redeemed.
I would if I could. Maybe a better example would be Paper Mario but...not the new ones.
Honestly this post made me realise I want more narrative driven games from Nintendo. The few they do put out are so good but then you have all the most recent RPG's where they're either gutting the story entirely or just trimming it down to the most basic thing. "There are two of everyone! ...and Bowser kidnaps Peach go save her and those generic toads". yawn.
Captain Europe
Member
Have you played either of the Xenoblade games?
On the topic of strong narratives, I want ya'll to try Kid Icarus Uprising or at least watch a longplay of it. There's a lot of good dialogue that happens that pushes story alongside the gameplay.
And you know the general Gods vs Gods, reapers, brainwashing of some Gods, soul collecting to create armies of the dead to kill more humans to create bigger armies of the dead and all that stuff in a light-hearted package.
The game knows when to be funny and knows when to take itself seriously. It's great.
And you know the general Gods vs Gods, reapers, brainwashing of some Gods, soul collecting to create armies of the dead to kill more humans to create bigger armies of the dead and all that stuff in a light-hearted package.
The game knows when to be funny and knows when to take itself seriously. It's great.
Bite sized ?
Are you refering to how NA based reviewers said in their MK8 reviews that the game could have used more unlockables as an incentive to play more?
I 100%'ed the game after a dozen or two hours, but that didn't stop me from putting in 300 hours of gameplay. The fun factor should be the only reason to play, not addictive skinner box elements like you see in TW3 and F4. I would never go anywhere near the last two games you listed.
You should check out this 10 minute video highlighting the shallow nature of the combat in TW3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkFqn1TMeH4. As an adult, I would rather play something with a little more sophistication.
I'll second this. It goes way, way deeper than you think it does.
Not even halfway through the game, the previously simplistic story of "kill Medusa, save the world" is completely derailed. There's like a 3 chapter long alien invasion followed by a 3 year time jump where Palutina destroys sky world and starts attacking humans.
Captain Smoker
Member
It's literally the other way round, aside from stuff like the NSMB-series.
See, I love that too. But the former two are more than a decade old and almost a decade old. I want Nintendo to do more games as exciting and original as Splatoon and Pikmin. Products that are fresh as a whole. Instead of slapping the Mario on genre X, for example, I would love to see them venture in a whole new world. And that doesn't need to be dark at all. Sure there are new ip's by them, but not a lot that come close to the production values of their main titles imo. I also heavily miss their action adventure aspects, titles like Metroid and Zelda or even the older 3d Mario concepts.
Spieler Eins
Member
I fondly remember when they funded Eternal Darkness, among other things. But I guess these things would make the company ,,bad" now. I.e. it's funny how in particular NoA actively tries to kill off any kind of diversity they have, by not localizing shit. Thank god NoE still give us all CiNG games last gen.
NSMBWii MP concept cramped into a concept that was originally made for handheld gaming. And when a new powerup (i.e. bare minimum expected from a new Mario game) becomes your defense, you know the game is uninspired.
NSMBWii MP concept cramped into a concept that was originally made for handheld gaming. And when a new powerup (i.e. bare minimum expected from a new Mario game) becomes your defense, you know the game is uninspired.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Monolith is Nintendo.
Eternal Darkness is awesome. Wish they did more games like this.
Linkstrikesback
Member
Monolith and Nintendo are literally the same company. Obviously different development studios are going to have specific talents. Monolith is Nintendos big AAA RPG studio.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Project Zero Maiden of Blackwater was an awesome game with an interesting story.
Captain Smoker
Member
- http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KWIYS3K/?tag=neogaf0e-20
- http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AC3ZE46/?tag=neogaf0e-20
- http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002I08CSW/?tag=neogaf0e-20
- http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0050SVH18/?tag=neogaf0e-20
- http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KWFCU4M/?tag=neogaf0e-20
- http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LWY22E0/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Come on dude.
They're owned by Nintendo, but Monolith Soft is Monolith Soft. They make games that Nintendo themselves are unable to make.
Captain Europe
Member
Monolith = Nintendo and an internal studio. They're tasked with games such as Xenoblade to diversify their portfolio.
No one at all would oppose a new Eternal Darkness, or even a new horror IP. Would be nice if Nintendo could find someone to revive ED because after the things Dyack has done, I don't see Nintendo ever working with him again.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Thats like saying Naughty Dog aren't part of Playstation. Monolith Soft are a Nintendo studio that make Nintendo games.
Spieler Eins
Member
It had a bad story and they did their best to keep it away from consumers. PZ2 remake on Wii was very good though. But again killed by NoA.
Captain Smoker
Member
Everything under Nintendo is Nintendo, these are Nintendos employees, lol.
Now I wonder what you think about Naughty Dog
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
I haven't bought a 3DS game since Black 2 came out, and haven't even touched a my 3DS since.
Somehow in your response you managed to include the implication that handheld games are inherently inferior, I'm not going anywhere that one lol.
The cat suit is more than a traditional Mario powerup, they used it as the central mechanic for the game and built the majority of stages around it, including the final boss level/battle which is insanely good.
In terms of multiplayer, yeah it's the same concept, but executing it in a 3D environment is not a given. What they did in order to make things work and pleasant should not be taken for granted.
No, employees at Monolith Soft are Monolith Soft employees, not Nintendo employees.
Captain Smoker
Member
Part of SCE (now SIE), therefore: Sony.
Captain Europe
Member
You're basically saying, EAD is EAD, they make Mario games cos Nintendo isn't able to.
You're just arguing semantics now.
If Nintendo to you is only EAD, then why would you want a studio which excels in tight gameplay to suddenly shift their focus to story driven games? The reason Nintendo can make a huge variety of genres is because they have tons of different studios to work on different types of games.
Let EAD work on what they do well, let other Nintendo studios handle narrative games.
No? I mean considering how much u hate xenoblade chronicle x there, u can't said it is the same Game as xenoblade chronicle right?
Pokemon Black 2? Cause that came out on the DS. But this would really explain your comments.