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[Melkezadek]

lol.

Hillary's camp was responsible for shit like this

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/09/24/media-and-fact-checkers-once-again-debunk-myth/205772

 

[norm9]

Yup, if you lean liberal at all, and you're in New York State and you're not registered as a Democrat (or at worst, Working Familie's Party), I really don't know what the hell you're doing.

Don't box me in with your two party system bro. Oh I can't vote in the primary? Unfair man!

 

[Prodigal Son]

If you want to decide who leads the Democratic party, become a Democrat. Doesn't seem controversial to me at all.

Do you want more people voting?

A) Yes: Open primaries up

B) No: Keep them closed.

I think the choice is fairly cut and dry. It comes down to what you really want. In my view, It's questionable to want independents in the general but not want them in the primary.

Bernie will be out rain or shine by the end June, and by Mid July he will be remembered just as much as a fart in the wind.

Then he should capitalize on his message while the fart still stinks.

Spoiler

lol

 

[ZSaberLink]

He won tonight. So the message, no matter how confused and inverse to reality as it is, is getting some people interested.

He should definitely drop out, but he's got that taste of celebrity, so personally, I don't blame him.

Did folks in this thread not hear 538 saying that Hillary's basically spent no money in Indiana? I'm sure Bernie spent plenty and managed to win by a bit.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

How many true red states are in play now that Trump is the nominee

Likely: North Carolina, Arizona
Possible: Mississippi, Georgia
Long-shot but would be epic: Utah, Texas

 

[Miles X]

I doubt Elizabeth Warren is going to come out and endorse Bernie. I think it's far more likely she'll come out and endorse Hillary, and probably sooner rather than later.

I wonder if people outside of his camp are going to start having stern words with him, Warren included. There is no way she doesn't believe him still being in is bad.

Of course you have the god awful Jeff Weaver on Bernies shoulder.

 

[Jimmy King]

According to the Times Warren is being vetted by the Clinton campaign, anyways. I don't think she's gonna make the cut due to demographics and all, but I doubt she'd be interested in Bernie's offer.

oh no

trojan horse republicans, this was their plan all along to stop trump and still win

 

[Dangansona]

This can't be fucking real?

The contents of the doctored photo? No. It being used by the Hillary Campaign? Yes.

2008 was at least as nasty as this democratic primary from both candidates.

Edit: just remembered it wasn't doctored, I was thinking of some other photo from that election. This was just him wearing the clothing he was given as a guest.

 

[ShironRedshift]

+ the month of May is full of "white" states. Bernie isn't quitting

That's true and that's why yesterday I definitely wasn't expecting Sanders to drop out until at least California, if not going all the way to the convention: with a number of states in his favor, he had no reason not to ride it out.

But Cruz dropping out changes things. With that, Trump has become the de facto Republican Presidential nominee. If Sanders can't see or just doesn't care about how this changes the dynamics of the race, then just... wow. I would have yesterday at least given him that much credit, but I'm just sad to be wrong.

And to be clear, I'm not just talking about what the results of Hillary v Trump will be. Hillary should have no problem dealing with that clown regardless of what happens. The real kicker is stuff like downticket Congressional races. Unlike the Presidential election, now that Trump's the Republican nominee, what's done at this point could potentially have a huge impact on those and I definitely don't want to see R's manage to hang onto the Senate and be able to continue to block Supreme Court nominees just because of some in-fighting on the Democratic side that lasted a bit too long.

Too much is on the line to be messing around like this that year and it just saddens me that Sanders', based on his actions, doesn't seem to care and seems to feel it's worth the risk even though he has no chance of winning regardless at this point. I had at least a tiny bit of respect for him left before today. Not anymore. He himself said that was all very important to him, but actions speak louder than words and his speak very clearly here.

 

[Adaren]

Really, Bernie can stay in as long as he wants provided he focuses his efforts on something that promotes his message (instead of using conspiracy theories, hyperbole, and baseless implication to try to hamstring the only person who can prevent his goals from being delayed by 20 years).

 

[Dangansona]

Bernie will be out rain or shine by the end June, and by Mid July he will be remembered just as much as a fart in the wind.

You're out of your mind if you think that is the impact of his campaign.

 

[JesseEwiak]

Do you want more people voting?

A) Yes: Open primaries up

B) No: Keep them closed.

I think the choice is fairly cut and dry. It comes down to what you really want. Independents and independents for a reason. I'm an independent for a reason. In my view, It's questionable to want them in the general but not want them in the primary.

Cool, continue being an independent. Your choices will continue to be an insane person on one side and a neoliberal hawkish socially liberal sellout on the other side. Have fun. We don't need you, because most minority voters actually understand the stakes.

 

[Mango Positive]

Except Sanders has done, and continues to do nothing for the Dems. No down ticket support, shit not even naming names to support. Also is attacking the DNC every stump speech. He is in it for himself alone.

I think you put too much importance on "the party", as if all of our thoughts on a myriad of topics can be distilled into 2 different buckets of thought. I would argue that he's the only candidate that's in this for the betterment of mankind. You might think Hillary is also in this category, but my judgement tells me she just wants the power and the glory and the check mark in the box labeled "first female US president" in the text books. I may be wrong on that, but that's how she comes across to me.

 

[Damerman]

Bernie will be out rain or shine by the end June, and by Mid July he will be remembered just as much as a fart in the wind.

Rememebered as a fart or the future of the demcratic party?

 

[norm9]

You're out of your mind if you think that is the takeaway from his campaign.

How much do you remember of Howard Dean or Ross Perot? Other than getting in the way?

 

[Tranqueris]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/09/24/media-and-fact-checkers-once-again-debunk-myth/205772

I feel like this gets debunked at least one during almost every single primary. I think once I even saw a reply along the lines of, "well I bet she still had a hand in it somehow!"

 

[Big Baybee]

Do you want more people voting?

A) Yes: Open primaries up

B) No: Keep them closed.

I think the choice is fairly cut and dry. It comes down to what you really want. Independents and independents for a reason. I'm an independent for a reason. In my view, It's questionable to want them in the general but not want them in the primary.




Then he should capitalize on his message while the fart still stinks.

Spoiler

lol

I want more people voting in general and local elections, yes. If you want to vote in a primary, then register as republican or democrat. I don't want independents and republicans deciding who leads the party I'm a member of. Sorry.

Likely: North Carolina, Arizona
Possible: Mississippi, Georgia
Long-shot but would be epic: Utah, Texas

Louisiana is like 45% black. Dems need to come down here and do some work.

 

[Chindogg]

The contents of the doctored photo? No. It being used by the Hillary Campaign? Yes.

2008 was at least as nasty as this democratic primary from both candidates.

A lot of people forget that Hillary attacked Obama supporters as 'Obama Boys,' questioned his qualifications, his blackness, his Christianity, just about everything but his birth.

Hillary was incredibly nasty toward the end of her campaign. Makes Sanders' attacks look like hugs.

 

[JesseEwiak]

I think you put too much importance on "the party", as if all of our thoughts on a myriad of topics can be distilled into 2 different buckets of thought. I would argue that he's the only candidate that's in this for the betterment of mankind. You might think Hillary is also in this category, but my judgement tells me she just wants the power and the glory and the check mark in the box labeled "first female US president" in the text books. I may be wrong on that, but that's how she comes across to me.

Yeah, I mean, she just sounds like such a bitch, right?

 

[Jimmy King]

Rememebered as a fart or the future of the demcratic party?

well what if the future of the democratic party was a fart

 

[Phased]

The time for Bernie to drop is now, but he obviously can't right after a victory. Next state he loses I hope he uses it as his opportunity to bow away gracefully

He won't drop out, unfortunately.

Thankfully Clinton can basically completely ignore him now since he's not relevant. I hope we're done with dumb debates but something tells me his camp is gonna push for one for California (if there isn't already one set? I don't know) even though it didn't help them in NY.

I haven't seen any of Clintons recent speeches but my guess is she's changing her focus to the General/Trump.

 

[GloriousBagel]

The contents of the doctored photo? No. It being used by the Hillary Campaign? Yes.

2008 was at least as nasty as this democratic primary from both candidates.

I remember seeing this image being tossed around Facebook during Highschool by racists and what not. I never would have thought this pic was being circulated around by the Hillary campaign.

Hillary is such a hypocrite...

 

[giga]

Want to know why Clinton hasn't been spending any money on primary states? Because she's already pivoted to the GE.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hillary-clinton-swing-states-trump-222772

Bigger fish to fry.

 

[Crocodile]

I disagree. The NY example is obvious, but when you exempt millions of potential voters from the process, I think that's a bad thing, particularly if/since those people want to have their voice heard.

New York State has about 2 Democrats for every 1 Republican. If Democrats in that state wanted too, they could vote for the nominee of their choice AND the Republican nominee. Other states are similar (or flipped with 2x Republicans for Democrats). That's a problem. The October deadline for party switching is too far out but NY (and other states) having an open primary is problematic.

 

[kingocfs]

Who the hell is this street magician on MSNBC?

 

[Melkezadek]

I feel like this gets debunked at least one during almost every single primary. I think once I even saw a reply along the lines of, "well I bet she still had a hand in it somehow!"

And it only takes a Google search. Why bother looking things up as long as is it validates their dislike for her?

 

[Aaronrules380]

I think you put too much importance on "the party", as if all of our thoughts on a myriad of topics can be distilled into 2 different buckets of thought. I would argue that he's the only candidate that's in this for the betterment of mankind. You might think Hillary is also in this category, but my judgement tells me she just wants the power and the glory and the check mark in the box labeled "first female US president" in the text books. I may be wrong on that, but that's how she comes across to me.

Except without "the party" you can accomplish nothing as president. The president is not a dictator. The president can not pass any laws. Literally every platform Bernie is running under REQUIRES congressional support.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Cool, continue being an independent. Your choices will continue to be an insane person on one side and a neoliberal hawkish socially liberal sellout on the other side. Have fun. We don't need you, because most minority voters actually understand the stakes.

Is that why you think we turnout more for Hillary? Because of the steaks?

Do minority voters go for safe candidates or for people they believe in? You think Jesse Jackson was 'safe' pick for minority voters? Hell, was there any reason to think Obama would be back safe back in 2008?

 

[tearsintherain]

That's true and that's why yesterday I definitely wasn't expecting Sanders to drop out until at least California, if not going all the way to the convention: with a number of states in his favor, he had no reason not to ride it out.

But Cruz dropping out changes things. With that, Trump has become the de facto Republican Presidential nominee. If Sanders can't see or just doesn't care about how this changes the dynamics of the race, then just... wow. I would have yesterday at least given him that much credit, but I'm just sad to be wrong.

And to be clear, I'm not just talking about what the results of Hillary v Trump will be. Hillary should have no problem dealing with that clown regardless of what happens. The real kicker is stuff like downticket Congressional races.

I don't really understand how Sanders staying in the race another month affects down ticket Congressional races. So him attacking Clinton is going to convince a bunch of democratic voters to vote for Republican senate/house people?

Its weird to see so many democrats here declare that even though Sanders won today, and has a slim but viable chance to actually be the democratic nominee, he should drop out so Clinton has an easier time. Thats some Chinese Central Committee level socialist thinking.

 

[Kangi]

Want to know why Clinton hasn't been spending any money on primary states? Because she's already pivoted to the GE.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hillary-clinton-swing-states-trump-222772

She spent nothing on Indiana and was in Ohio today. Sanders is nothing to her anymore and it should probably stay that way.

We have our nominees. The General Election has basically begun. Kasich and Sanders can beg for attention I suppose but they're afterthoughts now.

Clinton vs. Trump. November. Be there... and for the love of God don't vote for Trump.

 

[Iolo]

How much do you remember of Howard Dean or Ross Perot? Other than getting in the way?

Hey, I'm still mad about what happened to Dean.

 

[Koomaster]

Do you want more people voting?

A) Yes: Open primaries up

B) No: Keep them closed.

I think the choice is fairly cut and dry. It comes down to what you really want. Independents and independents for a reason. I'm an independent for a reason. In my view, It's questionable to want them in the general but not want them in the primary.




Then he should capitalize on his message while the fart still stinks.

Spoiler

lol

If you're not in the party I'm not sure why you should get a say on anything really. I just don't understand this logic. It's like me going into an office and putting in my vote for where they are ordering lunch from today. Do I work there - fuck no - so why am I getting a vote? If I care so deeply then maybe I should sign up for a job at the company. :/

If you want a say in the democrat party's primary, be in the democratic party. If you want a say in the republican primary, then be in the republican party. You aren't in either then you don't get a say unless there is an Independent primary and then you can vote all you want. If you want to vote in a primary so badly then float some candidates in the Independent party.

At least Bernard understood enough that he had to sign up to be a Democrat if he wanted to play in the Democrat games. Why can't his Independent supporters do the same?

 

[norm9]

Hey, I'm still mad about what happened to Dean.

Rawrrrrrrrrrrr!

 

[GoldenEye 007]

The contents of the doctored photo? No. It being used by the Hillary Campaign? Yes.

2008 was at least as nasty as this democratic primary from both candidates.

But eventually she fell in line and supported Barack.

 

[legacyzero]

Want to know why Clinton hasn't been spending any money on primary states? Because she's already pivoted to the GE.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hillary-clinton-swing-states-trump-222772

Bigger fish to fry.

 

[Slayven]

You're out of your mind if you think that is the impact of his campaign.

Rememebered as a fart or the future of the demcratic party?

Remember Kerry, OR Dean's primary platforms?

 

[Plumbob]

I think you put too much importance on "the party", as if all of our thoughts on a myriad of topics can be distilled into 2 different buckets of thought. I would argue that he's the only candidate that's in this for the betterment of mankind. You might think Hillary is also in this category, but my judgement tells me she just wants the power and the glory and the check mark in the box labeled "first female US president" in the text books. I may be wrong on that, but that's how she comes across to me.

What they're in it for is irrelevant. All that matters is impact they will have once in office

 

[chadskin]

Want to know why Clinton hasn't been spending any money on primary states? Because she's already pivoted to the GE.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hillary-clinton-swing-states-trump-222772

Bigger fish to fry.

That'll cost her the nom.

Sad!

 

[Velcro Fly]

She spent nothing on Indiana and was in Ohio today. Sanders is nothing to her anymore and it should probably stay that way.

We have our nominees. The General Election has basically begun. Kasich and Sanders can beg for attention I suppose but they're afterthoughts now.

Clinton vs. Trump. November. Be there... and for the love of God don't vote for Trump.

Yep. This is what needs to happen. She's even being a good sport and letting him stay in the race without putting too much pressure on him to drop out.

It is perfectly ok to fight until the convention. It is not ok to accuse her of money laundering or other negative shit.

 

[JesseEwiak]

I don't really understand how Sanders staying in the race another month affects down ticket Congressional races. So him attacking Clinton is going to convince a bunch of democratic voters to vote for Republican senate/house people?

Its weird to see so many democrats here declare that even though Sanders won today, and has a slim but viable chance to actually be the democratic nominee, he should drop out so Clinton has an easier time. Thats some Chinese Central Committee level socialist thinking.

He has much chance of being the nominee as I do of waking up with Jessica Alba in the morning. Even if it turned out tomorrow that Hillary Clinton had secretly shot Vince Foster while filming a lesbian porno with Huma Abedin after giving a 13 year old an abortion, the party would just parachute in Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren or whoever.

Bernie ain't winning shit. He can stand down for the good of the party or maybe we can find an ambitious female District Attorney or State Senator in Vermont who wants the full backing of the DNC in an upcoming election cycle.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Then he should capitalize on his message while the fart still stinks.

Spoiler

lol

The problem is that his flatulence might stick to the walls through November

It's what happens when you eat Democrats

 

[Iolo]

Its weird to see so many democrats here declare that even though Sanders won today, and has a slim but viable chance to actually be the democratic nominee, he should drop out so Clinton has an easier time. Thats some Chinese Central Committee level socialist thinking.

See, this is where we disagree.

 

[HylianTom]

Hey, I'm still mad about what happened to Dean.

Me too. Dean bumped for a scream that was distorted by a directional microphone.
Al Gore crucified for sighing at a moron.

The standards, it's safe to say, have not been consistent.

 

[Prodigal Son]

If you're not in the party I'm not sure why you should get a say on anything really. I just don't understand this logic. It's like me going into an office and putting in my vote for where they are ordering lunch from today. Do I work there - fuck no - so why am I getting a vote? If I care so deeply then maybe I should sign up for a job at the company. :/

If you want a say in the democrat party's primary, be in the democratic party. If you want a say in the republican primary, then be in the republican party. You aren't in either then you don't get a say unless there is an Independent primary and then you can vote all you want. If you want to vote in a primary so badly then float some candidates in the Independent party.

At least Bernard understood enough that he had to sign up to be a Democrat if he wanted to play in the Democrat games. Why can't his Independent supporters do the same?

Well if you're comparing something as fundamental as voting to deciding where people have lunch, then of course you're going to have problems understanding my logic, silly guy.

Independents exist in larger numbers than either dems or republicans. If 'just registering as a dem' is such an easy process for people to go through, then open primaries would never be perceived in the first place as an advantage to Sanders.

Registering for anything (be it IDs or party affiliation) decreases turnout. We don't want decreased turnout (I don't anyway). It's not complicated.

The problem is that his flatulence might stick to the walls through November

It's what happens when you eat Democrats

As an independent, I never eat democrats. Goes straight to my thighs.

 

[Slayven]

I think one of the reasons Sanders has been talking about money laundering is because he is tired of shoveling dough into Devine's pockets and getting squat for it.

 

[Aaronrules380]

See, this is where we disagree.

Yep. Possible and viable are not equivalent. Viable implies a reasonable likelihood. It's possible a meteor will crash through my apartment and kill me within the next 5 seconds. But it's not really a possibility worth considering because it's incredibly unlikely. As is a Sander's victory

 

[JesseEwiak]

Well if you're comparing something as fundamental as voting to deciding where people have lunch, then of course you're going to have problems understanding my logic, silly guy.

Independents exist in larger numbers than either dems or republicans. If 'just registering as a dem' is such an easy process for people to go through, then open primaries would never be perceived in the first place as an advantage to Sanders.

Registering for anything (be it IDs or party affiliation) decreases turnout. We don't want decreased turnout (I don't anyway). It's not complicated.

So you would be OK if in a state like Alabama or some other very right wing state in an open primary, a bunch of conservatives came in and voted for Trump in the Democratic primary?

No. The decreased turnout in a primary election is worth _committed_ Democrat's choosing the _Democratic_ nominee. If you want an independent nominee, go create a party.

 

[Big Baybee]

Well if you're comparing something as fundamental as voting to deciding where people have lunch, then of course you're going to have problems understanding my logic, silly guy.

Independents exist in larger numbers than either dems or republicans. If 'just registering as a dem' is such an easy process for people to go through, then open primaries would never be perceived in the first place as an advantage to Sanders.

Registering for anything (be it IDs or party affiliation) decreases turnout. We don't want decreased turnout (I don't anyway). It's not complicated.

But why should people that aren't democrats decide who will be a democratic nominee? You still haven't explained that. It makes no sense. A primary is basically just a courtesy the party does so that members have a say in the process.

 

[Dangansona]

But eventually she fell in line and supported Barack.

And he will do the same after the convention. More or less. He certainly won't run as an independent.

 

[Jimmy King]

He has much chance of being the nominee as I do of waking up with Jessica Alba in the morning. Even if it turned out tomorrow that Hillary Clinton had secretly shot Vince Foster while filming a lesbian porno with Huma Abedin after giving a 13 year old an abortion, the party would just parachute in Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren or whoever.

Bernie ain't winning shit. He can stand down for the good of the party or maybe we can find an ambitious female District Attorney or State Senator in Vermont who wants the full backing of the DNC in an upcoming election cycle.