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[LordOfChaos]

With all the leaks I'm half wondering if either side is pulling a coup here.

Say, MS leaking that they'll have a more powerful box a year later, tempering the Neos hype since reportedly they were caught off guard by it...Or Sony leaking low specs for Microsoft to aim above, with the real one being higher.

Well, I guess the XBO and PS4 spec rumours were pretty bang on accurate, but a man can contemplate.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

So who's going to be making a third party game that wouldn't run on most PCs now, nor on the base PS4/XB1? Most of the actual devs seem to have been blindsided by it, so it's doubtful you'd see anything targeting Neo/Scorpio exclusively until 2019 at the absolute earliest.

The only games really requiring more graphics power at the moment are VR ones.

You're exactly right. I'm saying no matter what new console 2.0 comes out, the developer will still make those games available for the 60 million plus consoles already out there and Nintendo knows that so they're not going overboard on the hardware.

 

[KORNdoggy]

It'll be interesting to see if they manage that while keeping under $400 (apparently the limit for consoles before consumers get outraged)

 

[The God]

My main question here, is that it seems this isn't some sort of "stop gap" solution like Sony seems to be thinking the Neo is. This is pretty damn close to a full console transition in terms of power.

So I take it MS is fully done with "generations" at this point. I realize the polygon also states this but its interesting to see as I feel like Sony will still have a PS5 and that Neo is just a halfway point to extend the life of the PS4.

It seems MS is full on out the door on generations as we normally see them at this point if 6TF does indeed hold true.

Why do you feel this way about MS but not Sony? They're doing the same thing. A true PlayStation 5 is looking less and less likely.

 

[AAK]

How much more powerful will it be once you add the power of the cloud?

 

[jaypah]

6tf in a console seems incredibly unlikely. It doesn't fit the power/heat archetypes required at all. Sounds fishy to me.

I still don't believe it either. I'm thinking something along the same lines as NEO launching within half of a year of NEO. If it's launching later than half of a year after NEO tack on a 10 percent performance increase, if that.

 

[Obliterator]

Sony can always bring out another system in 3 years time that will leap frog MS system .
And then this goes on forever between the 2 of them .

I realize that I'm saying though that I think Sony is still going to think in terms of "generations" and I think we will get PS5 within 3 years of the Neo's launch. I think they view their hardware like Iphone generations.

It appears MS is full on abandoning the concept of a "generation" entirely and will just release a new stand alone box every few years that is not part of the same "generation" of their hardware.

Why do you feel this way about MS but not Sony? They're doing the same thing. A true PlayStation 5 is looking less and less likely.

I'm not sure but I just do. I think Sony like the branding behind a generation and we still don't know Neo's real name. I fully expect it to be PS4 something. I think they will do generations going forward with a stop gap in between them. Similar to Iphone

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Nah, this doesn't work, let's do cats:

WiiU=Ocelot
Xbox One= Cheetah
PS4=Leopard
PS4Neo=Lion
Scorpio=Siberian Tiger

Lmao. As a lover of big cats, this is quite accurate.

WiiU=Deinoychus
Xbox One= Allosaurus
PS4=T-Rex
PS4Neo=Giganotosaurus
Scorpio=Mosasaurus

 

[jabuseika]

Microsoft think they're safe...

Just wait until Sony announces 8 TeraFlops of GDDR5 at their conference.

 

[Soldiussnaku]

Good luck trying to get Titan X/GTX 1070 level performance in a $500 box with low TDP while not having a shit CPU.

Heh, Basically this.

I very much doubt they'll be able to get such power in a box without significant bottle necks and/or cooling problems. The engineering simply isn't there for such power in a box like the xbox. Especially by 2017, even with 14nm cpu's and gpu's.

A target pf 4.5-5 tflops is much more achievable, and imho, to be expected at this point.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Nah, this doesn't work, let's do cats:

WiiU=Ocelot
Xbox One= Cheetah
PS4=Leopard
PS4Neo=Lion
Scorpio=Siberian Tiger

Switch out that siberian for a sabertooth and you got a deal.

 

[etta]

I realize that I'm saying though that I think Sony is still going to think in terms of "generations" and I think we will get PS5 within 3 years of the Neo's launch. I think they view their hardware like Iphone generations.

It appears MS is full on abandoning the concept of a "generation" entirely and will just release a new stand alone box every few years that is not part of the same "generation" of their hardware.

No I think this is only for Scorpio to get rid of the ESRAM. I fully expect the stuff that comes after Scorpio will iterate on it.

 

[roadrunn3r]

Has anybody actually discussed what kind of CPU they are using? I don't want to think of the folly of them trying to feed such a GPU with a Jaguar based CPU.

That's what I'm wondering also, all that GPU power with (even a slightly improved) Jaguar CPU would be horribly unbalanced. Unless they are really going for 30fps@4K which I guess they could make it work. Then again we don't know anything about Zen based APUs at this point but wouldn't that break compatibility?

 

[IcyRhythms]

Well, looks like Microsoft will make Sony look foolish and will have the most powerful console on the market. No surprise here. Sony just can't afford what MS can. Don't be surprised if MS throws in a few extra incentives for developers to put a little something exta on the Xbox One version of ALL your favorite games.

 

[Killing_Joke]

I'll pass. With majority of the games going to PC it just doesn't seem worth it to upgrade. Will just wait till they are better prepared next gen.

 

[DangerMouse]

How much more powerful will it be once you add the power of the cloud?

LOL

Still funny even after a couple of years.

 

[CalamityPixel]

 

[Sydle]

this entire scenario sounds so dumb
"let's kill any xbox one's sell power has left, to counter the upgraded version of the market leader that will likely launch one year before of ours new machine, and likely at a cheaper price too"
i mean, what could go wrong?

Consider the alternative of having nothing in the way of support 4K (non-game media) or VR, both of which your competitor goes all-in on in terms of marketing and brand for 6-12 months while you sit quiet. You look like you're behind in terms of innovation (which they probably are) and it makes Xbox look like a me-too product.

I think the idea of not saying anything at all is a lot more dumb.

 

[Moofers]

If you have waited so long to buy an Xbox One, why would you immediately rush out to buy an Xbox Whatever?

You clearly weren't in a rush to get the latest console then, so you're unlikely to be now.

I just got my Xbox One like 2 months ago. I was waiting for Gears 4 but there was a pretty good deal on ebay I jumped on. Otherwise, I may have been one of those people who would have waited for Scorpio or whatever. There's plenty of people like that. Shit, there's a lot of people who haven't bought a PS4 or Bone because they're still playing on their 360s. If they find out a new one is hitting next year, why not just keep waiting for that?

 

[Sarobi]

Microsoft think they're safe...

Just wait until Sony announces 8 TeraFlops of GDDR5 at their conference.

"You all thought we were announcing a PS4.5, but the truth is.. it's actually a PS5.5! 799! GET A SECOND JOB!"

Arrogant Sony is coming back.

 

[User 479360]

Badass

 

[jabuseika]

With the console cycles so short, might as well just buy a 1070, and still come out ahead.

 

[etta]

Write Xbox Scorpio on the flamethrower lol

 

[AnthonypUK]

ith the real one being higher.

Well, I guess the XBO and PS4 spec rumours were pretty bang on accurate, but a man can contemplate.

umm no they werent.

up until the release noone thought the ps4 would be 8gig of ram the consensus was 4.

timely evidence

 

[farmerboy]

I'm a Scorpio and I'm around 4 times more powerful than any of you.

Their numbers stack up. Sounds legit.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

I'll pass. With majority of the games going to PC it just doesn't seem worth it to upgrade. Will just wait till they are better prepared next gen.

Not for you, but as many have mention in these forums. Not everyone likes to game on PC so. if these things are any good people will buy and MS will reap from console and PC front.

 

[KingSnake]

quote me

I don't think you forgot so soon, so no. As I said, you worded it nicely, so you have plausible deniability on your side, so it will only be a pointless exchange of replies outside o thef topic. So I say that this is what I understood, you call me a liar or stupid and we can both move forward and enjoy this thread.

 

[score01]

It's really fun to read GAF today.

How suddenly the power doesn't matter anymore. Who cares about 1080p vs 900p? We don't buy consoles for their power, we buy them for their beautiful shape.

Even if this rumor proves false, it already brought some glorious reactions.

If you have ever been brave enough to enter any DF thread you would know that power doesn't matter and the only way you can tell the difference between 900p and 1080p is if screens are labelled as such. This gen has taught me that controller and ui updates are the most important things to consider. Something MS already has a lock on.

 

[ironcreed]

I still don't believe it either. I'm thinking something along the same lines as NEO launching within half of a year of NEO. If it's launching later than half of a year after NEO tack on a 10 percent performance increase, if that.

Buh, buh... what about mah flops?

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Switch out that siberian for a sabertooth and you got a deal.

Good point the Siberian Tiger is not big enough over the (African) Lion on second glance. However, recent research has shown that Siberian Tigers were around the same size as modern Lions or tigers, so that wouldn't work either.

 

[thehillissilent]

"You all thought we were announcing a PS4.5, but the truth is.. it's actually a PS5.5! 799! GET A SECOND JOB!"

Arrogant Sony is coming back.

Crazy Ken would be delivering the keynote speech. It would be EPIC!!!

 

[SmokedMeat]

Wii U: SD Jones
Xbox One: Tito Santana
PS4: Dusty Rhodes
NX: Roddy Piper
PS Neo: Ric Flair
Xbox Scorpio: 2 Cold Scorpio

 

[Venom Fox]

"You all thought we were announcing a PS4.5, but the truth is.. it's actually a PS5.5! 799! GET A SECOND JOB!"

Arrogant Sony is coming back.

Judging by this Microsft and Sony are having an arrogance competition. Microsoft trying a bit too hard though.

 

[icespide]

umm no they werent.

up until the release noone thought the ps4 would be 8gig of ram the consensus was 4.

timely evidence

 

[deefol]

This is the same type of rumours about XBONE and PS4, "XBONE will kill sony forever 8GB RAM Sony is OVA XD"

Sony E3 2013: 8GB GDDR5 $399

 

[Elwood Blues]

Give it all the secret sauce.

 

[Bear Force One]

What's Microsoft going to do with an even more expensive console when they realize that it wasn't power that was affecting sales, but that their brand isn't a world wide brand with appeal?

Interesting times ahead.

 

[Dragon Puncher]

It will be interesting to see what the plans are to continue supporting the regular Xbox One, once the Scorpio comes out. Seems like it'll be hard to go the Neo route and still have all games playable on both systems, while at the same time taking full advance of a system that supposedly 4 times more powerful.

It seems crazy to not have some sort of plan though, since having Scorpio only games would be a real middle finger to existing Xbox owners.

 

[FelipeMGM]

PS4: Coke Zero
PS4K: Tesla Modal 3
Xbox One: Chicken Fingers
Xbox Scorpio: Polygon
WiiU: Skittles
NX: NASDAQ

Ok now we are talking with the pros here

I assume you got this from Michael Patcher right?

 

[icespide]

I don't think you forgot so soon, so no. As I said, you worded it nicely, so you have plausible deniability on your side, so it will only be a pointless exchange of replies outside of topics. So I say that this is what I understood, you call me a liar or stupid and we can both move forward and enjoy this thread.

what are you even implying here?

 

[BeforeU]

Heh, Basically this.

I very much doubt they'll be able to get such power in a box without significant bottle necks and/or cooling problems. The engineering simply isn't there for such power in a box like the xbox. Especially by 2017, even with 14nm cpu's and gpu's.

A target pf 4.5-5 tflops is much more achievable, and imho, to be expected at this point.

The technology is there, but would cost a lot. People are just counting the GPU price, while that itself is a too much. But when you want to shrink all that down to a small box, you need Surface type engineering. and THAT would cost lot of R&D. and all that just makes it impossible to have in a year.

 

[benny_a]

I don't think you forgot so soon, so no. As I said, you worded it nicely, so you have plausible deniability on your side, so it will only be a pointless exchange of replies outside of topics. So I say that this is what I understood, you call me a liar or stupid and we can both move forward and enjoy this thread.

So basically you made a statement, then accuse a specific individual of disingenuous behavior and then when asked to provide evidence of such behavior you are not delivering.

Based on the available evidence in the post I quoted you are displaying undesirable behavior.

 

[Elfstruck]

wow. dang so corect me if I'm wrong:

PS4 >Oculus>> NEo<><NX>Dreamcast><<Xbox1> Scorpion<Wii U>PS4k

This is some next level math.

 

[-Horizon-]

These power levels are screwing with my head. Someone make it easier... Like with mod power levels

 

[Xando]

Man this feels like 2013 all over again

 

[krioto]

Well, looks like Microsoft will make Sony look foolish and will have the most powerful console on the market. No surprise here. Sony just can't afford what MS can. Don't be surprised if MS throws in a few extra incentives for developers to put a little something exta on the Xbox One version of ALL your favorite games.

I don't usually get involved with this sort of thing, but do you honestly think the above is a likely scenario? or is this sarcasm? I cannot tell anymore

 

[CalamityPixel]

Write Xbox Scorpio on the flamethrower lol

 

[Dreamgazer]

What's Microsoft going to do with an even more expensive console when they realize that it wasn't power that was affecting sales, but that their brand isn't a world wide brand with appeal?

Interesting times ahead.

But the fanboys will win.
That's all that matters.

 

[Markoman]

Switch out that siberian for a sabertooth and you got a deal.

Nope, let's stay realistic

A siberian tiger weighs up to 700-850lbs, a lion 450lbs.

 

[etta]

Buh, buh... what about mah flops?

Flippy floppy