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Trump v. Bernie Debate
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perfectchaos007
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This is the debate Americans deserve
whyamihere
Banned
You're right, it is democracy. Bernie lost.
It's okay when Hillary did it when she ran for president against the President but it's not okay for Bernie?
Dash_Riprock
Member
If its too good to be true, it probably is.
TyphoonStruggle
Member
All these Hillary supporters continue to hate on Bernie as long as he doesn't go away. Sounds rational! (No, not really)
*hissy fits* "how dare X not get in line!"
BigJonsson
Member
Give it a couple days and democracy kicks Sanders out of the election.
Hellwarden
Member
This election just keeps giving.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Is Sanders just going to go ahead in November pretending he's the nominee like a deranged old man, and no one will have the heart to tell him he actually lost?
2) This isn't the silver bullet you think it is, a lot of GAFers supported Obama in 08 and were mad when Hillary pulled shit like this too
3) HILLARY NEVER DEBATED McCAIN
1) Hillary never debated McCainKevinRo said:
2) This isn't the silver bullet you think it is, a lot of GAFers supported Obama in 08 and were mad when Hillary pulled shit like this too
3) HILLARY NEVER DEBATED McCAIN
User 463088
Banned
No, no. It's democracy...in which one candidate has been defeated by the will of the people.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
"I want Bernie Sanders to win, but if he doesn't, I'll vote for his ideological opposite because that's how adults throw temper tantrums."
I've learned to stop responding to Huelen and his/her ilk. They're like edgelords but without the depth of character.
FunkyMunkey
Banned
democracy is fucking bernie nice and hard in case you forgot
whyamihere
Banned
Hillary tried to debate McCain? Also what Hillary did in 08 wasn't cool either.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
That was Obama. Sanders is a once every four years candidate.
Bernie is the only one who can win the independent vote in a general election against Trump and you need independents to win.
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You do know people gave Hilary shit for this in 08 right?
BigJonsson
Member
When Trump panders to the right, he's a racist monster and candidates keep their promises 142% of the time. When he panders to the left, he's just pretending and sheeple buy into his song and dance.
Christopher
BDE (Big Dad Energy)
Never have I seen people turn so fast as they did on Bernie.
I don't like him at all, however I commend him for fighting in what he believes in...and he's being called a cunt and other things in here...? Shame.
I don't like him at all, however I commend him for fighting in what he believes in...and he's being called a cunt and other things in here...? Shame.
Ie. Everything Hillary stands for ie. Big Money in politics Ie. Keeping the status quo
Which is admirable IMO.
That's not how democracy works. That's how the election system works. Democracy is all about listening to those that 'lost' or are in a minority.
M0nochromatic
Member
I thought we were supposed to be secure in knowing that Hillary was going to easily take this thing come the general? Can this debate really change the outcome? If so, Hillary was never a shoe in to begin with, and if not then it'll just be another debate for Vic Berger to edit.I'll lean towards the latter.
Like President Romney did in 2012.
IceBringer
Banned
An embarrassment
HUELEN10
Member
At that point, if he's not the nominee, how could he lose? He wouldn't be able to win in e first place.
HUELENISMS #279
Remember boys and girls, if you can't win, you can't lose!
whyamihere
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Well, no. Obama lost independents by 5 points in 2012. And right now, Hillary has a 34% approval ratings with True Independents (not leaners). Bernie has a 35% approval rating with True Independents (not leaners). He just does well with Independents because most are ideological but they're younger. They're super liberal, but they're just not registered to a party, which is a younger phenomena, not a thing about how Bernie is doing better with what we'd consider swing voters.
Link
The Autumn Wind
Exactly. I remember when I had some respect for Bernie. Those days are long gone.
Well some say he might go full scorched earth and run as an independent. That would be ballsy, but I don't think he would do it.
Monocle
Member
Jesus Christ, they sure did a number on your username, didn't they?
Officerrob
Banned
So on the Republican side we had one losing candidate announce a VP, and on the Dem side we have a losing candidate going to debate the presumptive Republican nominee... What a shit show. Take your fucking L Bernie
Someone should tell Presidents Kerry and Romney.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
The same democracy where the will of the people has Clinton ahead of Sanders by 3+ million votes?
Also, it's a democratic republic, not a democracy.
User 463088
Banned
This is so true! That's why Obama lost independents in 2012 and Romney is ready to run for his 2nd term.
ShironRedshift
Member
Ah, thank you for this. Forgot about that.
However, what exact consequences could they hit Sanders with (that he won't likely be hit with anyway for his conduct and the bridges he's burned), especially considering he's losing anyway? I mean, like the FEC's questions about some of the Sanders' campaign contributions, or how he responded when his campaign got caught accessing the Clinton's campaign data, would that be something that he'd either be able to delay or worm his way out of, or are just completely fangless?
That is to say, since it's clear that Sanders is going to lose at this point and he knows this and was only running as a Democrat for the sake of convenience to begin with and is going scorched earth anyway, I'm not sure the DNC/DSCC could hit him with anything he would care about if he really wants to make this happen.
Which then really puts the question on Trump, I suppose, and whether he was serious or just joking but since Sanders bit...
This is false in multiple ways. 1) Romney won independents, 2) Sanders "true independent" numbers aren't great.
Once the convention passes it will be too late.
Never seen so many people changing their mind about him...
BUNTING1243
Banned
whyamihere
Banned
Democracy
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy
Full Definition of democracy
plural democracies
1
a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
Listening to, yes. Acceeding to, not necessarily.
I'm not sure what you mean. This is Bernie spitting on his own supporters as far as I'm concerned. It's insane people are defending it and not thinking just one layer deeper.
Like I said earlier, I would hesitate to use this logic because if Trump wins, people could say "well guess more American voters wanted him!" or heck in the past, looking how Reagan won so crushingly.
cpp_is_king
Member
lmao I know right? I requested "Donald Trump Building a Wall" but apparently that didn't go over well. Anybody out there? I still want Donald Trump Building a Wall!
The rule is for Democratic debates and the penalty is sanctions for future Democratic debates. I don't see a penalty here:
https://www.democrats.org/post/dnc-to-sanction-six-presidential-primary-debates
DirtyManos
Member
Jesus fucking Christ.
Either Sanders is a raging egomaniac or his campaign staffers have reached a new level of idiocy. Or both.
Ignore Sanders for a sec, and see it from Trump's viewpoint. Why would he ever take this debate? Because he knows this is a win-win for him. Either he gets to frame his attacks on Hillary through Sanders, or he sets up Sanders to be a "threat" to him by egging him on to run third party because "rigged establishment". He just wants to throw the Dem's into discord.
Back to Bernie: he is not the fucking Democratic candidate. No one has declared him as such. He's throwing yet another fucking middle finger to the Dem's strategy in November. I can only imagine they think this will further show "how well he will do against Trump in the GE", again wanting to override the people's will as shown by the popular vote/pledged delegates. Pair this with the fact that Hillary is just ignoring Bernie, and it's just another way for Bernie to get some spotlight until he officially loses.
Best case scenario: Bernie just rails on Trump with the same old spiel for the entirety of the debate, without a mention about Hillary.
But that won't happen. We know it won't. We will have the presumptive Republican nominee and the losing Democratic nominee, on the same stage, bashing the likely Democratic nominee. Holy fuck.
Even if the best case scenario happens, Trump still wins. He could care less about Bernie's attacks. He'll just bash Clinton regardless, wave off and probably get Bernie riled up, frame Bernie as the victim of a corrupt establishment Shillary agenda, and more than anything sow more division between Dem's on the general. It only helps him .
Bernie Sanders and his campaign are actively supporting Trump's campaign now.
Either Sanders is a raging egomaniac or his campaign staffers have reached a new level of idiocy. Or both.
Ignore Sanders for a sec, and see it from Trump's viewpoint. Why would he ever take this debate? Because he knows this is a win-win for him. Either he gets to frame his attacks on Hillary through Sanders, or he sets up Sanders to be a "threat" to him by egging him on to run third party because "rigged establishment". He just wants to throw the Dem's into discord.
Back to Bernie: he is not the fucking Democratic candidate. No one has declared him as such. He's throwing yet another fucking middle finger to the Dem's strategy in November. I can only imagine they think this will further show "how well he will do against Trump in the GE", again wanting to override the people's will as shown by the popular vote/pledged delegates. Pair this with the fact that Hillary is just ignoring Bernie, and it's just another way for Bernie to get some spotlight until he officially loses.
Best case scenario: Bernie just rails on Trump with the same old spiel for the entirety of the debate, without a mention about Hillary.
But that won't happen. We know it won't. We will have the presumptive Republican nominee and the losing Democratic nominee, on the same stage, bashing the likely Democratic nominee. Holy fuck.
Even if the best case scenario happens, Trump still wins. He could care less about Bernie's attacks. He'll just bash Clinton regardless, wave off and probably get Bernie riled up, frame Bernie as the victim of a corrupt establishment Shillary agenda, and more than anything sow more division between Dem's on the general. It only helps him .
Bernie Sanders and his campaign are actively supporting Trump's campaign now.
Your not new to this site, you should know that political threads are second only to shower threads on a 'riot' level.
Heavy_D206
Member
Can we get Jim Ross to be the commentator for this?
Bah Gawd King! Trump just got burned alive! This is just sick! Someone get in there and put a stop to this!
Bah Gawd King! Trump just got burned alive! This is just sick! Someone get in there and put a stop to this!
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
What the fuck is this shit?
Are people this far up Hilary's ass?
I'm gonna vote Hilary if she's the nom, but come on, son.
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