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[Orbis Tabula]

I need some names and sources for such a claim.

Cerium may have said it, although Cerium is insane. Kristoffer gas definitely said it, but he admits that many of his posts are just trolling.

 

[HylianTom]

The DNC - noted for being incompetent in its operations - insidiously acted as the Invisible Hand in the voting booth, forcing millions of voters across the country to move their fingers over to the Hillary checkbox.

That's rich.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Don't bother man, let them do mental gymnastics to cover up the extreme establishment politics bias.

It's not a reality TV show. What is or isn't considered establishment and how that affects effective governing is a waste of time, all things considered. It's meaningful only in the context of a WWE caliber political debate between those who are angry that government isn't doing this or that well enough (not to mention the vast majority of shortfalls provoking this anger is the obstructionist Republican Congress- why not focus your energy there). The vast majority of what you perceive to be 'mental gymnastics to cover up establishment politics bias' is merely conscientious voters arguing to promote the cause of stability and effective evidence based governing. Clinton is that candidate.

 

[User1608]

The DNC - noted for being incompetent in its operations - insidiously acted as the Invisible Hand in the voting booth, forcing millions of voters across the country to move their fingers over to the Hillary checkbox.

That's rich.

Conspiracy theories are definitely amusing.

 

[Mr Clutch]

Is that a rule violation? Like, do we know the DNC finance chair wouldn't help organize a Sanders fundraiser? Has he asked? Is impartiality being violated here?

It is a rule violation, per the rule cited in my last post. The fact is he took it upon himself to call, raise funds, and attend the event. This guy helped Obama's re-election in 2012 (Before he was appointed Chair of Finance of DNC) he has ties to the Obama administration and voices support for Clinton. There definitely was impartiality there. I'm not trying to say its some crazy, conspiracy that is out to sabotage Bernie's campaign, but there is a strong feeling of Clinton leaning bias coming from DNC, whether intentional or not. It seems too early on they discounted Bernie and went all in with Hillary, thinking (knowing?) she would get the nom and thought it best to prepare her success for the GE.

 

[ApharmdX]

I dunno. I see a lot more "lol HillGAF" and "why so serious" posts from Sanders and Trump supporters, as opposed to serious considerations of consequences, discussion about possible outcomes, and political strategy—items which are offered by PoliGAF.

There have been plenty of serious posts by Sanders supporters. I think this is more of a case of confirmation bias than anything.

From a logical standpoint, Sanders is worse than Cruz or Rubio. Those men folded when they looked at the math of reality and realized they couldn't succeed. Strategically they assisted their party and their cause by withdrawing from the race. They gave Donald Trump time to build and iterate his strategy and resources.

You're looking at this all wrong. Sanders goals and support base are nothing like Cruz or Rubio's. He is more similar to a Ron Paul in 2012.

In this election, Sanders is dead weight. He's not contributing to the progressive cause anymore. He's wasting the party's and Hillary's resources. He won't admit he's lost, which means he has an even bigger ego problem than Cruz and Rubio. And his erratic behavior can possibly assist the opponent.

Hyperbole and nonsense.

Sanders supporters won't admit that Sanders is a sore loser flailing about for nothing either. All they are doing is sniping at Hillary in their bitterness because she is winning legitimately and the majority is actually choosing her. It's ironic that not a single thread can go without them sneering about "HillGAF", but they can't stand being called Berniebros.

The sniping is going both ways. HillaryGAF does plenty of it too. I'd say that us Sanders supporters have *generally* been more civil. Are we calling Hillary names and cursing her? I've seen little of that.

With Congress in GOP hands, I'd want Obama if only to keep the GOP from:
A) rolling-back previous victories (which were hard-fought and would be difficult to re-pass through Congress); and,
B) poisoning the well for the future

Oemenia asks above who I'd rather have for President, and my answer is without hesitation Bernie over Trump. Even if he presided over gridlock for four years, I'd want the Democrat.

With a Trump win and GOP control, he'd replace Scalia, have a shot at replacing Kennedy (who turns 80 this summer), and then who knows what'd happen with Ginsburg (currently 83).

At best, we would end his first term with a young 5-4 conservative court. At worst, 6-3.

With a Bernie win, he might not move the ball forward much, but he'd prevent losses while also keeping his movement alive for the next cycle. As more and more millennials begin to participate in the process, their voices are going to come to dominate the Democratic Party. They will break-through and get their candidate, and their President will have achievements - achievements that will be challenged in court. Between 2017-2021, we're likely looking at a House GOP and the Senate flipping back-and-forth, giving the Democrat a two-year Senate majority window to pack the courts.

I want Bernie's vision to remain alive for when we nominate someone like him in the 2020s (time will fly), and I wish more folks would realize that this November is about more than just the next four years.

Good post.

I wish a lot of my fellow Sanders supporters would be more patient. A Hillary nomination isn't the end of the world if she goes on to be a two-term, solidly-progressive President, and we make gains in the other two branches of government. The country is moving left, and Bernie voters are still going to be around in 2024, whereas many of the small-government grinches will have died out. Progressives might not love a Clinton presidency but we can see advances under it as well.

 

[gondwana]

I need some names and sources for such a claim.

don't know which ones he's referring to but there's this classic meltdown: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197939513&postcount=43

otoh, the "vietnam war was awesome" hillary supporter from a week ago makes that one seem sane.

 

[JP_]

I need some names and sources for such a claim.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=203849922&highlight=#post203849922

At least two others posted in agreement with him on that page

 

[Orbis Tabula]

And how did she get the popular vote? It wasn't done by her own power if that's what you are suggesting. She had the entirety of the DNC pulling for her.

She probably got the popular vote because mode people voted for her. if you have any evidence that it was something else, I'd be happy to see it. I think I've been plenty fair to you during this discussion. But if the entirety of your argument is "she won and they wanted her to win. Therefore corruption." Then I'm not really sure this will be a fruitful discussion. If I want a coin to land on heads and then I flip it and it lands on heads, that's not proof that I rigged the coin flip.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Maybe...just maybe people prefer her policies over Bernie's? Maybe the voters preferred her over him?

NO

FRAUD

DWS outside of polling stations beating people with a pool noodle.

Costing $27 at polls to vote for Bernie

Billy rolling bows on Sanders supporters outside of polling stations.

Hillary cruising for homeless people with McDs to take them to polls.


WAKE UP

 

[GurgleBot20]

Conspiracy theories are definitely amusing.

*Looks at username and who you quote*

Hmm...yes they are.

 

[User1608]

*Looks at username and who you quote*

Hmm...yes they are.

Lmao

 

[shintoki]

You know what.

Trump should make Kayne West his VP. Just lite this shit on fire.

 

[ApharmdX]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=203849922&highlight=#post203849922

And he wasn't alone

Wow, that's a piece of work right there. I say the same thing to Sanders supporters who would vote for Trump- do you even care about your candidate's goals? Trump shares very little of Hillary's policy positions.

 

[jack_package_200]

I wish a lot of my fellow Sanders supporters would be more patient. A Hillary nomination isn't the end of the world if she goes on to be a two-term, solidly-progressive President, and we make gains in the other two branches of government. The country is moving left, and Bernie voters are still going to be around in 2024, whereas many of the small-government grinches will have died out. Progressives might not love a Clinton presidency but we can see advances under it as well.

This. I like this.

Hillary cruising for homeless people with McDs to take them to polls.

This will never not make me laugh.

 

[Jenov]

I'm very disappointed in Bernie...

I haven't read the whole thread, it's moving very fast, but I feel that this is a really bad thing to do, and is just one step away from Bernie actually running independent himself depending on the outcome of the debate. We're all getting closer to the darkest timeline: a Trump presidency

 

[Mr Clutch]

You know what.

Trump should make Kayne West his VP. Just lite this shit on fire.

Sadly, this is entirely possible at this point and wouldn't surprise me. Even more sad, the youth vote would jump on the bandwagon immediately to look "cool". Some of the stuff I see coming from the "future" of this country is terrifying....

 

[Mr Clutch]

I wish a lot of my fellow Sanders supporters would be more patient. A Hillary nomination isn't the end of the world if she goes on to be a two-term, solidly-progressive President, and we make gains in the other two branches of government. The country is moving left, and Bernie voters are still going to be around in 2024, whereas many of the small-government grinches will have died out. Progressives might not love a Clinton presidency but we can see advances under it as well.

This! I'm in this for the long run. I'm loyal to the party and trust the process.

 

[JP_]

Yes, and Obama won. And Bernie could have won too. But he lost, not because of DNC bias, media bias, cop orate shills, voter suppression, closed primaries--more people just voted for Hillary this time.

I agree, except I think it's silly to deny that DNC helped Clinton get some of those votes. That support from party establishment obviously has value, it's just not as nefarious as some extreme Sanders supporters believe.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

It is a rule violation, per the rule cited in my last post. The fact is he took it upon himself to call, raise funds, and attend the event. This guy helped Obama's re-election in 2012 (Before he was appointed Chair of Finance of DNC) he has ties to the Obama administration and voices support for Clinton. There definitely was impartiality there. I'm not trying to say its some crazy, conspiracy that is out to sabotage Bernie's campaign, but there is a strong feeling of Clinton leaning bias coming from DNC, whether intentional or not. It seems too early on they discounted Bernie and went all in with Hillary, thinking (knowing?) she would get the nom and thought it best to prepare her success for the GE.

Yeah, I just took the time to look up the DNC charter. I'm trying to find more detail on exactly what Muñoz did for Clinton, but I do think that if he's doing things for her that he wouldn't be willing to do for Sanders, then he should be punished in accordance with the charter. Especially given that he is the finance chair.

 

[GutsOfThor]

The DNC - noted for being incompetent in its operations - insidiously acted as the Invisible Hand in the voting booth, forcing millions of voters across the country to move their fingers over to the Hillary checkbox.

That's rich.

Standard thinking for him and his most rabid supporters though.

Now what I'm about to say is EXTREMELY complex but maybe just maybe the reason Sanders lost is because he didn't run a good campaign and Clinton did? Maybe him completely ignoring the Southern part of the fucking country wasn't a good strategy?

Nah, that's not it. It has to be fraud and a big conspiracy against him! Yeah, that's it!

 

[Haloid1177]

And how did she get the popular vote? It wasn't done by her own power if that's what you are suggesting. She had the entirety of the DNC pulling for her.

The RNC/DNC endorsing isn't surefire like you're making it out to be TI, just look at the republicans.

 

[Mr Clutch]

I'm very disappointed in Bernie...

I haven't read the whole thread, it's moving very fast, but I feel that this is a really bad thing to do, and is just one step away from Bernie actually running independent himself depending on the outcome of the debate. We're all getting closer to the darkest timeline: a Trump presidency

Its not that bad of a thing to do. Look at it this way. It could go one of three ways.

1. Bernie and Trump put on "Panda" and dab across the stage freestyling insults at Hillary.

2. Trump uses this moment to dismantle Hillary and the DNC and Bernie uses it to "get back" at the DNC and hurts Hillary's chances.

3. Bernie actually debates the shit out of Trump and weakens his momentum opening up the GE more for the probable DNC nominee, Hillary Clinton.

Trump can't Dab, Bernie is too smart to give Trump the win by hating on DNC/Hill, so the third option seems most likely.

 

[legacyzero]

GOD YES. YEEEESSSSSSSSS.

This will do well for those poll numbers. THIS is what I want the GE to look like

 

[Orbis Tabula]

GOD YES. YEEEESSSSSSSSS.

This will do well for those poll numbers. THIS is what I want the GE to look like

You're gonna be so disappointed when you finish reading the thread.

 

[Adaren]

I like to daydream about hypothetical VPs that would maximize Trump's chances of winning.

Sanders.
Oprah.
Taylor Swift.

 

[Alucrid]

Its not that bad of a thing to do. Look at it this way. It could go one of three ways.

1. Bernie and Trump put on "Panda" and dab across the stage freestyling insults at Hillary.

2. Trump uses this moment to dismantle Hillary and the DNC and Bernie uses it to "get back" at the DNC and hurts Hillary's chances.

3. Bernie actually debates the shit out of Trump and weakens his momentum opening up the GE more for the probable DNC nominee, Hillary Clinton.

Trump can't Dab, Bernie is too smart to give Trump the win by hating on DNC/Hill, so the third option seems most likely.

actually it's going the fourth way, not at all

 

[alr1ght]

GOD YES. YEEEESSSSSSSSS.

This will do well for those poll numbers. THIS is what I want the GE to look like

90/10 in California here we come!!!

 

[marrec]

The DNC - noted for being incompetent in its operations - insidiously acted as the Invisible Hand in the voting booth, forcing millions of voters across the country to move their fingers over to the Hillary checkbox.

That's rich.

Well there's no way we can attribute her success to her!

Spoiler

she's a woman afterall

 

[teruterubozu]

This is hilarious. Elections are getting so wacky. One day we'll look back on 2016 and marvel at how "normal" everything was.

 

[Mr Clutch]

Yeah, I just took the time to look up the DNC charter. I'm trying to find more detail on exactly what Muñoz did for Clinton, but I do think that if he's doing things for her that he wouldn't be willing to do for Sanders, then he should be punished in accordance with the charter. Especially given that he is the finance chair.

From what I read of the incident, he made calls promoting and locking up attendance for the (I know I seem to mention this specific price, but I ensure you for this case it really did cost this much lol) $50,000 a plate dinner. He collected funds raised, and he spoke of Hillary's fundraiser and possible VP choice to the media leading up to the fundraiser.

 

[jack_package_200]

GOD YES. YEEEESSSSSSSSS.

This will do well for those poll numbers. THIS is what I want the GE to look like

Well to get there how would Bernie overcome the current pledge delegate and popular vote gap?

 

[Link]

Jesus. GAF has a lot of Hillary supporters.
Honestly I would rather vote for trump than for Hillary. Bernie was my 1st choice but looks like I won't be voting at all. Shame because it was going to be my first time voting.

I feel like this sums up a good amount of Bernie supporters perfectly.

Meh I've been following since 2008, when I turned 18 but didn't vote. I knew Obama had it in the bag.

Ah, so you're why Republicans did so well in 2010 and 2014. Great job. You're a progressive bastion!

HillaryGAF out in full regalia today I see. Some really hateful stuff being thrown around about Bernie and his supporters. I thought you guys were supposed to be the moderate ones?

This always cracks me up. The victim card. As if Bernie supporters haven't been absolutely vile toward Hillary, willing to use right-wing talking points to slam her for reasons they don't even understand. We had someone bring up Benghazi non-ironically in this thread. I mean, Jesus... They aren't above anyone, despite what they think of themselves. Most have proven themselves to be thoroughly uninformed. They seem perfectly content to let the whole thing burn because their messiah lost. And they almost seem gleeful about it.

 

[ThisGuy]

Got damn, I experienced hypernatremia wading through that first page.

This might give Hillary insight to Trump's debate tactics against Dems though.

Now that I think about it, I'm sure it will show how weak a debater Bernie is when faced off against someone as ruthless as trump. Might push some Bernie fans to Hillary.

 

[Horns]

At this point I wish Bernie would just go away. I had nothing against him until recently.

 

[TI82]

The RNC/DNC endorsing isn't surefire like you're making it out to be TI, just look at the republicans.

Hey haloid, I think the difference is that Bernie and Trump have much different styles and resource access. So not really comparable

 

[GloriousBagel]

Why do you care if she is a liar?

She's a lying scumbag that will say anything for a vote. When she was running against Obama she would accuse him of pandering to minorities, in her current campaign she's doing the same.

https://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI

She keeps pandering to the Hispanics as well, hinting at immigration reforms etc., Obama did the same and there's been record deportations under his administration.
http://fusion.net/story/252637/obam...other-president-now-hes-running-up-the-score/

At least Trump isn't lying to Hispanics in that aspect, if you're an illegal immigrant quite frankly you're probably going to get deported.

I'm tired of this Hillary is the gawd mentality.

 

[marrec]

At this point I wish Bernie would just go away. I had nothing against him until recently.

He's like that old dude from UP and he's all

"I'm getting my house to that cliff"

but obviously the house is his campaign and the cliff is the convention and he's going to get there and his campaign is all broken and slightly on fire and sad looking and then he'll realize his mistake and unload as much dead weight (staffers, especially voters) as possible and float up to Trump's zeppelin (possibly not metaphor here, future unclear) and fight Trump in order to get Hillary safely to her home (the white house)

Also, Dug is HEULEN

Pixar knew all along.

EDIT:

SPOILERS FOR UP sorry

 

[Orbis Tabula]

From what I read of the incident, he made calls promoting and locking up attendance for the (I know I seem to mention this specific price, but I ensure you for this case it really did cost this much lol) $50,000 a plate dinner. He collected funds raised, and he spoke of Hillary's fundraiser and possible VP choice to the media leading up to the fundraiser.

Yeah, I just read the bit about him talking up Castro as VP. Definitely not on this guy's side now, hahaha.

Anyway, I'm reading more of the DNC Charter. Article Seven, Section 1. Does state that national finance organizations "shall raise funds to support the Democratic Party and shall advise and assist state Democratic Parties and candidates in securing funds for their purposes." So it does appear like a potential conflict is here in different interpretations of the rules. There's no rule against the Finance Chair helping the Clinton campaign. In which case, the question becomes "Would he do it for Bernie, too?" And I dont know because I don't know if Bernie has ever asked.

 

[jack_package_200]

If I could have had Ron Wyden (my senator) or Barney Frank run, I would be so hyped.

Hillary does not fill me with hype but at least I know she is competent at her job and thats enough for me.

 

[HylianTom]

This is hilarious. Elections are getting so wacky. One day we'll look back on 2016 and marvel at how "normal" everything was.

I thought nothing would top '92, but ever since 2008 elections have been getting wilder and wilder. They've become their own segment of the entertainment industry in an odd way, producing incredibly humorous/horrifying/inspiring/intriguing/etc storylines every two years (starting as soon as polls close on midterms!).

There's something for everyone: policy debate, personal drama, mathematics, comedy, tragedy, shocking twists.. there's nothing quite like it.

 

[Davide]

Because he has lost. I'm not sure why this isn't being considered.

Bernie Sanders did not win the democratic nomination. He has lost. He could win California 90-10 - and he still loses. The race is over.

It's over - HIllary and Donald are the nominees. So all this has the potential to do is damage the Democratic Party and hurt their chances of stopping Trump in November.

Actually pretty sure that would put him in the lead in pledged delegates.

 

[Geg]

You're gonna be so disappointed when you finish reading the thread.

So I skipped like 15 pages because I didn't want to read the same Sanders vs. Clinton arguments over and over, but I guess does this post mean it's not happening?

 

[Hilbert]

She's a lying scumbag that will say anything for a vote. When she was running against Obama she would accuse him of pandering to minorities, in her current campaign she's doing the same.

https://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI

She keeps pandering to the Hispanics as well, hinting at immigration reforms etc., Obama did the same and there's been record deportations under his administration.
http://fusion.net/story/252637/obam...other-president-now-hes-running-up-the-score/

At least Trump isn't lying to Hispanics in that aspect, if you're an illegal immigrant quite frankly you're probably going to get deported.

I'm tired of this Hillary is the gawd mentality.

It sounds more to me like you think Obama is a lying scumbag.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

So I skipped like 15 pages because I didn't want to read the same Sanders vs. Clinton arguments over and over, but I guess it's not happening?

Reports are that Trump doesn't really want to do it. He was "just kidding."

 

[Darryl M R]

I feel like this sums up a good amount of Beenie supporters perfectly.

Ah, so you're why Republicans did so well in 2010 and 2014. Great job. You're a progressive bastion!

This always cracks me up. The victim card. As if Bernie supporters haven't been absolutely vile toward Hillary, willing to use right-wing talking points to slam her for reasons they don't even understand. We had someone bring up Benghazi non-ironically in this thread. I mean, Jesus... They aren't above anyone, despite what they think of themselves. Most have proven themselves to be thoroughly uninformed. They seem perfectly content to let the whole thing burn because their messiah lost. And they almost seem gleeful about it.

I agree with everything you are calling out. I'm tired of seeing his supporters play the victim and act as if Hillary supporters should not fire back with fair criticism just because they are "the small guy."

Also I truly believe someone is ill informed if they would vote Trump because Bernie lost the nomination; and their empty threats are getting old.

 

[entremet]

Damn, Bernie just don't give a fuck lol.

 

[Davide]

When the average number of polls show Clinton and Trump tied at 43%, I really don't understand how Democrats can be happy with her as nominee.

 

[PBY]

Holly BaileyVerified account
‏@hollybdc
Sanders chief Jeff Weaver tells MSNBC that they are talking to Trump campaign about debate


BACK ON?

 

[GloriousBagel]

It sounds more to me like you think Obama is a lying scumbag.

Obama less so, Hillary is a scumbag imo.