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Trump v. Bernie Debate

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GloriousBagel said:
She's a lying scumbag that will say anything for a vote. When she was running against Obama she would accuse him of pandering to minorities, in her current campaign she's doing the same.

https://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI

She keeps pandering to the Hispanics as well, hinting at immigration reforms etc., Obama did the same and there's been record deportations under his administration.
http://fusion.net/story/252637/obam...other-president-now-hes-running-up-the-score/

At least Trump isn't lying to Hispanics in that aspect, if you're an illegal immigrant quite frankly you're probably going to get deported.

I'm tired of this Hillary is the gawd mentality.
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Most politicians will say anything they can to pander so people will vote for them. You still have not brought up why her lying is bad. We will simply have to see what she does, regarding her promises. If she stays along the Democrat line, wanting to preserve her legacy as a good first woman president...than she will most likely do stuff Democrats favor.
 
after very closely dodging the far right bullet here with Austria's presidential election I'm sending lots of positive vibes towards all of you, we almost elected a Trump like figure, granted he is not as ridiculous as a person, but still.
 
Drewton said:
When the average number of polls show Clinton and Trump tied at 43%, I really don't understand how Democrats can be happy with her as nominee.
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Those numbers will change once Sanders realizes he's already in the ground

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Drewton said:
When the average number of polls show Clinton and Trump tied at 43%, I really don't understand how Democrats can be happy with her as nominee.
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She lost 21 states against a no name contender who has never been a democrat until he decided to run and carries (willingly too!) the "socialist" label.

She is very close % wise to Trump in National polls.



She is a weak candidate.


I don't think she is a shoe-in like so many like to believe. Trump can most definitely take this election I feel.
 
jack_package_200 said:
Imagine if Hillary did this if Bernie was the presumptive nominee?
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I think one of the big differences is, Bernie has way more enthusiasm than Hillary does, just like how there was more enthusiasm for Obama than Hillary in 2008. Bernie easily draws way bigger crowds. And IMO that enthusiasm is very much needed for the opponent of Donald Trump.

And since Bernie sees himself as more electable than her ( I agree), it's for the good of the country that he stays in.
 
jack_package_200 said:
Well to get there how would Bernie overcome the current pledge delegate and popular vote gap?
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Any way possible. We're going to convention. If it doesnt happen, it doesn't happen.
GloriousBagel said:
She's a lying scumbag that will say anything for a vote. When she was running against Obama she would accuse him of pandering to minorities, in her current campaign she's doing the same.

https://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI

She keeps pandering to the Hispanics as well, hinting at immigration reforms etc., Obama did the same and there's been record deportations under his administration.
http://fusion.net/story/252637/obam...other-president-now-hes-running-up-the-score/

At least Trump isn't lying to Hispanics in that aspect, if you're an illegal immigrant quite frankly you're probably going to get deported.

I'm tired of this Hillary is the gawd mentality.
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Ive posted that video before and it gets dismissed every time lol.

Folks arent interested in actual visual evidence of her lies.

Its baffling as fuck.
 
Drewton said:
When the average number of polls show Clinton and Trump tied at 43%, I really don't understand how Democrats can be happy with her as nominee.
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Link said:
Those numbers will change once Sanders realizes he's already in the ground

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I think Hillary supporters are a little delusional about how favorable the public can ever be convinced to feel towards her. She has always been unpopular with much of America, even as first lady.

Her unfavorables will always be high, a real anchor going up against someone who is himself wildly unpopular with many. An uncontroversial candidate would have been ideal for the Dems this year.
 
Now this thread is devolving into a circlejerk of deluded supporters, particularly Sanders, who just keep reinforcing the notion that Clinton is incapable of winning against Trump, and that in the event she does, she'll be a terrible president, ignoring the huge parallels between her and Sanders.

Abandon thread. This shit is a wreck.
 
PBY said:
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Sanders chief Jeff Weaver tells MSNBC that they are talking to Trump campaign about debate


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This had better not happen. There's a path to make this debate work for the Democrats, but it's more likely to do harm. Yes, Sanders could expose Trump as a clown. But if it ends up being two hours of Hillary bashing, where does that leave our party? It de-legitimizes her as nominee and it puts Sanders in a position to not endorse her at the convention. Which he needs to do so that we can win in November. His endorsement is validating, particularly because Clinton is a historic nominee, and has some history of being a moderate.
 
PBY said:
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Sanders chief Jeff Weaver tells MSNBC that they are talking to Trump campaign about debate


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There's less than 2 weeks until the June 7 primaries. No way either candidate or their campaigns can get this going before then. Doesn't surprise me Weaver is actually trying for it as he seems pretty delusional and desperate.
 
Drewton said:
When the average number of polls show Clinton and Trump tied at 43%, I really don't understand how Democrats can be happy with her as nominee.
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That poll average you posted doesn't indicate anything. Las Vegas has her at ~60%, and the electoral college makes it next to impossible for Trump to win considering the demographics.
 
PBY said:
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Sanders chief Jeff Weaver tells MSNBC that they are talking to Trump campaign about debate


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I doubt it's going to happen, but it's pathetic that the Sanders campaign seems so hungry for it. A toddler could see how awful of an idea this is, how can Bernie Sanders not?
 
Drewton said:
I think one of the big differences is, Bernie has way more enthusiasm than Hillary does, just like how there was more enthusiasm for Obama than Hillary in 2008. Bernie easily draws way bigger crowds. And IMO that enthusiasm is very much needed for the opponent of Donald Trump.

And since Bernie sees himself as more electable than her ( I agree), it's for the good of the country that he stays in.
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Enthusiasm? Like how Hillary has the most votes of any candidate in both primaries? Enthusiasm that turns out voters for her by millions?
 
Link said:
Those numbers will change once Sanders realizes he's already in the ground

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Hillary has been known for a long time and people's opinions on her are unlikely to change much.

Ultimately for Democrats and independents who don't like Hillary, it's going to come down to which of them is the lesser of two evils and I don't have a good feeling that's enough to keep Donald Trump from winning.

Dubbedinenglish said:
Enthusiasm? Like how Hillary has the most votes of any candidate in both primaries? Enthusiasm that turns out voters for her by millions?
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And still, he somehow has way, way more enthusiasm.
 
Erevador said:
I think Hillary supporters are a little delusional about how favorable the public can ever be convinced to feel towards her. She has always been unpopular with much of America, even as first lady.

Her unfavorables will always be high, a real anchor going up against someone who is himself wildly unpopular with many. An uncontroversial candidate would have been ideal for the Dems this year.
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HuffPollster is showing her average favorability ratings was positive from the entire period from early 2009 until around March of last year. It looks like she's actually pretty popular when she isn't running.
 
Euphoria14 said:
She lost 21 states against a no name contender who has never been a democrat until he decided to run and carries (willingly too!) the "socialist" label.

She is very close % wise to Trump in National polls.



She is a weak candidate.


I don't think she is a shoe-in like so many like to believe. Trump can most definitely take this election I feel.
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Obama lost 23 states to Clinton including 7 of the last 9 states to vote. Was he a weak candidate?
 
WaffleTaco said:
Most politicians will say anything they can to pander so people will vote for them. You still have not brought up why her lying is bad. We will simply have to see what she does, regarding her promises. If she stays along the Democrat line, wanting to preserve her legacy as a good first woman president...than she will most likely do stuff Democrats favor.
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"Why is lying bad?"

Are you expecting a serious answer with this??
Eidan said:
I doubt it's going to happen, but it's pathetic that the Sanders campaign seems so hungry for it. A toddler could see how awful of an idea this is, how can Bernie Sanders not?
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Polls have Bernie positioned better for the GE than Hillary.

Time to show the country how true that is.
 
legacyzero said:
Any way possible. We're going to convention. If it doesnt happen, it doesn't happen.

Ive posted that video before and it gets dismissed every time lol.

Folks arent interested in actual visual evidence of her lies.

Its baffling as fuck.
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did you ever watch the entire video of clinton's testimony in front of the house select committee on benghazi to get the full the full context that the clip montage conveniently leaves out? i mean, you're championing trey gowdy in that video. how does that not leave you feeling slimy? here's the entire 7 hours if you're interested, enjoy!

http://www.c-span.org/video/?328699...timony-house-select-committee-benghazi-part-1
 
Erevador said:
I think Hillary supporters are a little delusional about how favorable the public can ever be convinced to feel towards her. She has always been unpopular with much of America, even as first lady.

Her unfavorables will always be high, a real anchor going up against someone who is himself wildly unpopular with many. An uncontroversial candidate would have been ideal for the Dems this year.
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Except she had high favorables as First Lady, unless I'm misremembering. Also had high favorables as SoS
 
Drewton said:
I think one of the big differences is, Bernie has way more enthusiasm than Hillary does, just like how there was more enthusiasm for Obama than Hillary in 2008. Bernie easily draws way bigger crowds. And IMO that enthusiasm is very much needed for the opponent of Donald Trump.

And since Bernie sees himself as more electable than her ( I agree), it's for the good of the country that he stays in.
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Crowds that don't vote, apparently.

As to your second point, it's already been well established that Bernie is just as delusional as his supporters.
 
Drewton said:
Hillary has been known for a long time and people's opinions on her are unlikely to change much.

Ultimately for Democrats and independents who don't like Hillary, it's going to come down to which of them is the lesser of two evils and I don't have a good feeling that's enough to keep Donald Trump from winning.


And still, he somehow has way, way more enthusiasm.
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Well considering Trump polls insanely poorly with minorities and women, I think the Dems are fine.
 
Erevador said:
I think Hillary supporters are a little delusional about how favorable the public can ever be convinced to feel towards her. She has always been unpopular with much of America, even as first lady.

Her unfavorables will always be high, a real anchor going up against someone who is himself wildly unpopular with many. An uncontroversial candidate would have been ideal for the Dems this year.
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Yeah, the Dems are being absolutely bailed out by the Republicans running literally the only candidate less popular than yaaaaaas queen. Get her in office and you better hope we don't see any sort of recession, military conflict or anything remotely damaging or she's gonna hand this over to a reasonable Republican in four years.
 
EskimoJoe said:
Yeah, I just read the bit about him talking up Castro as VP. Definitely not on this guy's side now, hahaha.

Anyway, I'm reading more of the DNC Charter. Article Seven, Section 1. Does state that national finance organizations "shall raise funds to support the Democratic Party and shall advise and assist state Democratic Parties and candidates in securing funds for their purposes." So it does appear like a potential conflict is here in different interpretations of the rules. There's no rule against the Finance Chair helping the Clinton campaign. In which case, the question becomes "Would he do it for Bernie, too?" And I dont know because I don't know if Bernie has ever asked.
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Hmmm...that is odd that the two rules seem to contradict each other. Also, I'm not entirely sure it would matter if Bernie asked or not. It would seem the issue is that he was willing to help or put forth effort to help one candidate and did not do the same for the other. We don't know though if he offered to Bernie and it was turned down.
 
Link said:
Crowds that don't vote, apparently.

As to your second point, it's already been well established that Bernie is just as delusional as his supporters.
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Hasn't he won 21 states against the person who was pretty much the presumptive successor to Obama since 2008? Seems a bit hyperbolic to me to say his crowds don't vote.

Sure, in your mind, maybe. Talk like this is makes me seriously wonder if Hillary supporters want the Democrats to unify. But I'm Canadian anyway...
 
legacyzero said:
Any way possible. We're going to convention. If it doesnt happen, it doesn't happen.

Ive posted that video before and it gets dismissed every time lol.

Folks arent interested in actual visual evidence of her lies.

Its baffling as fuck.
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I believe the video is ignore because it's many things over decades taken out of context. Being a mix of lies, things that make sense in context and just changes in stance for 13 minutes isn't going to convince a lot of people.
 
Euphoria14 said:
She lost 21 states against a no name contender who has never been a democrat until he decided to run and carries (willingly too!) the "socialist" label.

She is very close % wise to Trump in National polls.



She is a weak candidate.


I don't think she is a shoe-in like so many like to believe. Trump can most definitely take this election I feel.
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She is not a shoe-in by any means. I'm very worried going into this GE. I'll throw my vote to the Dem (begrudgingly) but I am truly unnerved by Trumps momentum and seemingly continued gain. Which makes me curious as to why/how people don't see and support Bernie who has maintained a lead in the polls over Trump.
 
GloriousBagel said:
I'm being basically ignored it's funny.
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Yet the only logical response I get from most Hillary supportersis how she's the safer option than Trump in the White House. Nobody wants to offer anything to rebut the clear evidence other than snark, dismissive comments, passive aggression, and deflextion. At worst they dogpile Bernie supporters in these threads, making most feel discouraged to come in them.
WaffleTaco said:
Yup. Explain why it is bad.



I'm not ignoring you, I just do not care if someone is lying when it comes to politics.
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Case in point right here. Pure perfect example.

There is no serious answer for this other than "fuck it"
 
Mr Clutch said:
She is not a shoe-in by any means. I'm very worried going into this GE. I'll throw my vote to the Dem (begrudgingly) but I am truly unnerved by Trumps momentum and seemingly continued gain. Which makes me curious as to why/how people don't see and support Bernie who has maintained a lead in the polls over Trump.
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So we should fuck over the will of the voters and make Bernie the nominee because of some polls?
 
Drewton said:
Hasn't he won 21 states against the person who was pretty much the presumptive successor to Obama since 2008? Seems a bit hyperbolic to me to say his crowds don't vote.

Sure, in your mind, maybe. Talk like this is makes me seriously wonder if Hillary supporters want the Democrats to unify. But I'm Canadian anyway...
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Fuck off with this. Bernie supporters are talking about never voting for Hillary and even voting for Trump instead, but have the gall to bitch about "unity" because people that live in the real world want a guy that literally can't win to drop out so the nominee can be named and the party can get things in order for the General.

I can't with you people.
 
I've met two different people that were social friends of the Clintons back in Arkansas going way back. They both told me the same story. Everyone loved Bill, great guy. Everyone tolerated Hillary. They didnt trust her and said she was a manipulator.
 
Drewton said:
And still, he somehow has way, way more enthusiasm.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/190343/trump-clinton-supporters-lead-enthusiasm.aspx


Please proceed governor...
 
legacyzero said:
"Why is lying bad?"

Are you expecting a serious answer with this??

Polls have Bernie positioned better for the GE than Hillary.

Time to show the country how true that is.
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It would take any reasonable person ten seconds to realize how much Bernie Sanders' current GE polling isn't reflective of his actual strength as a GE candidate, and another five to realize how terribly vulnerable he is.

But beyond that, the motherfucker has just straight up LOST. WHY would he want to debate the Republican nominee? To what end? Does he think this will just take back the fact that he lost? Does he think it will somehow lead to the circumventing of the will of the people? Does he think it helps to stop Donald Trump from getting elected in November? It altogether makes no sense. The man is an idiot.
 
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