Bernie only has 1 angle to every single issue, Trump will shit conspiracy theories at Sanders until he goes away.
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Bernie only has 1 angle to every single issue, Trump will shit conspiracy theories at Sanders until he goes away.
Maybe he meant a victory by a 58% margin? That would be about 80% of the vote, technically possible yet very unlikely. Only a disaster for Hillary or a massive surge of popularity for Bernie could lead to those numbers. Bernie should probably drop out but honestly it's understandable that he's staying in. If any of us were so close to the presidency we might very well pray for a miracle too. Maybe Bernie is hoping he will stomp the Donald in this debate and absorb all his voters or something
so uh. what numbers are you using? the current popular vote for clinton and sanders, as well as how many democrats you believe are voting in the ca primary?
Aaron Strife
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It also ignores that New Jersey's polls close 3 hours before California's, a state where Hillary is projected to win 2:1 and will push the delegate lead out even further. It's worth 130 delegates I believe.
No because he said Bernie would win 285 delegates.
He needs a net gain of 271 to plug the gap.
How timely, as 538 just did a piece on this about how most independents are actually closeted partisans who reliably vote Democratic or Republican in every cycle. Only about 23 percent of people who identify as independents buck consistent partisan voting.
Probably not. Trump's campaign told CBS they have no intention of debating Bernie. Which should not be too surprising since the suggestion was a joke he made on a nighttime talk show.
SayItWithMe
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Wow funny all these Clinton supporters are just as angry as Trump supporters...smh
Continue to be smug and dismissive towards those that don't agree with you... It's the Democratic way, after all.
Nobody needs to throw any cunts around, but Hillary supporters have 0 room to go on about persecution complexes.
So if they will both eat him for dinner then why is Hillary's smaller lead against Trump an issue since it would widen after they, as you say, eat him for dinner?
Regardless of the Pro Hillary or Pro Bernie insane people in this thread, there is obviously a large number of voters on each side that are backing either of these candidates who share their point of views.
If Bernie wants to keep speaking on behalf of his supporters and keep that message going, I don't see a problem. You're all from that great land called AMERRRRRICA where freedom to do what you want is oh so sacred, so it is Bernie's right to talk if he wants too. At the end of the day, if his supporters have to in the end vote for either Hillary or Trump, it will be up to those two to clearly win over Bernie supporters by listening and compromising what could work for everyone involved, individually and as a country. Bernie may be keeping himself in the game to keep what he and his fellow supporters see as large problems in the state of the USA at the forefront of topics and conversations.
He may not be the nominee, but there will be large issues to tackle for those that the nominees to focused on these issues that are being pointed at by his campaign and supporters.
If Bernie wants to keep speaking on behalf of his supporters and keep that message going, I don't see a problem. You're all from that great land called AMERRRRRICA where freedom to do what you want is oh so sacred, so it is Bernie's right to talk if he wants too. At the end of the day, if his supporters have to in the end vote for either Hillary or Trump, it will be up to those two to clearly win over Bernie supporters by listening and compromising what could work for everyone involved, individually and as a country. Bernie may be keeping himself in the game to keep what he and his fellow supporters see as large problems in the state of the USA at the forefront of topics and conversations.
He may not be the nominee, but there will be large issues to tackle for those that the nominees to focused on these issues that are being pointed at by his campaign and supporters.
Trump the drunk friend always making plans but not following through the next day.
Orbis Tabula
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Wait, sorry? How is that smug and dismissive? The data bears that out. Most people who call themselves independent are pretty reliable party voters.
RPGCrazied
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Think again. I have yet to see any Hillary supporter phyiscally attack people, dish out death threats,
Dreamwriter
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That's true, I missed that. Bernie needs to win 68% of the remaining delegates in the remaining states to overtake Clinton. Which is still very doable.
Mr Clutch
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And if she loses N.J. and Puerto Rico?
He's right, though. Statistically, most independents will consistently vote Republican or Democrat come election time.
That is absolutely not doable at all.
Well, from a supporter base here that calls legitimate criticism of their candidate sexism, it's interesting to see "persecution complex" thrown around. Glass houses, stones, and all that.
jack_package_200
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I mean wendell pierce happened... but thats one instance.
The harassment from some sanders supporters has been going on for awhile.
The superdelegate hitlist and the threats against ROberta Lange.
"It was just a suggestion."
That's a stretch for the word "doable". Completely unprecedented in modern primary and voting history.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Your definition of very doable needs to be re calibrated. How many states up to this point has he won with 68% or more?
What if a meteor strikes the earth tomorrow? What if she has a heart attack and drops dead?
What are the risks? What are the rewards? Are those rewards worth the risks that they accompany? If the answer is no, then it's not worth it.
This is not worth it. Not by a long shot.
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Not simple enough, apparently.
Just FYI, the reason people ignore it is it's been debunked to hell and back and posting it now is surefire evidence not to take the person seriously cause he's not going to listen.
Most clips are out of context, and there's one lie in the entire video.
https://pimeablog.wordpress.com/2016/05/19/responseto13min/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hecking-hillary-clinton-lying-13-minutes-str/
Dreamwriter
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A lot of things regarding Bernie have been unprecedented in modern times
Heck, in early days nobody thought he would get very far at all, definitely not to where we are now.Aaron Strife
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It really isn't but ok!
I'm curious, what probability would you be willing to assign to Bernie winning the nomination? 50/50? 30%?
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Damn
Clockwork5
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The average of current polls actually has Hillary down a half a point to Trump.
Bam Bam Baklava
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A lot of things regarding Bernie have been unprecedented in modern times
How does this make winning contests where he's demographically struggling very doable? California? New Jersey? Puerto Rico? These are a stretch as ANY win, let alone unprecedented blowouts. You're setting yourself up for unprecedented disappointment.
I was being neither smug nor dismissive. Research has born that conclusion out. But I do admit I feel a little smug now.
JoeyJungle
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You realize Clinton would still get about 190 additional delegates even if Bernie wins right?
Aaron Strife
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She's up 4 according to HuffPo
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton
Up 1 according to RCP
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
RPGCrazied
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I'm talking about rallies, try again.
off duty ninja
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FTFY
Dreamwriter
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I have no idea, I'm not saying he's likely or not likely to win the majority of pledged delegates. I'm just saying it's possible, and the numbers for it aren't outlandish. The winner hasn't been chosen yet.
It was democrats in general in that first article. You have a point but It's definitely impossible for Sanders voters in a random polling of any democrats to account for that 9%.
In that follow-up article Sanders voters had to be as high as 20% to make it likely practically 0 Clinton voters are interested in Trump.
Ah, look! Someone's being reasonable! Bernie's raised a shit ton of money off of a shit ton of ordinary people. That is unique, it's a breath of fresh air (to see someone practice what they preach as opposed to talking out of both sides) and, as someone who donated, I'd like to see him fight for whatever he can get.
His reluctance to get on his knees and kiss the ring shouldn't be so damn offensive to anyone who has confidence in Hillary Clinton. Mother fuckers here acting like he's Trump and Hitler combined just because he's COMPETING. Fuck that. If Bernie staying in until the convention ends up being the reason Hillary loses, then Democrats made the wrong choice. That's on them.
Quit concern trolling about Bernie "hurting" Hillary (boo fucking hoo. She's running for president.) in one post, then laughing off the idea that Trump has a chance in hell in the next. It's logically inconsistent and super whiny.
He's breaking fundraising records left and right while ignoring large donations. He's won roughly half the states so far. Nobody predicted that. Don't act all arrogant with the "well, he still lost. Scoreboard!" bullshit. He's setting precedents that, I used to think, the Democratic party's voters would welcome with open arms. Apparently, I was wrong.
A lot of things regarding Bernie have been unprecedented in modern times
Where is he now? He's the farthest behind any candidate has been, in in the history of either party, without having yet dropped out / suspended their campaign.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
This goalpost has legs!
Mr Clutch
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Nice. Because its entirely unlikely she loses those two votes right?
Usually these candidates have no money left. Bernie is still funded by the people and has had the money for the last months to go on.
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The Autumn Wind
So we're just ignoring research and statistics now?
I mean, makes sense considering who's doing it, but yeah.
Yes.
So he's a crook.
Sanders could win California by 40 points and every other remaining primary by 20 points and still be behind in pledged delegates.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Have you seen the recent polling for those contests? Have you seen the demographics? You can talk about Michigan all you want but he didn't turn his deficit into a 68% win. He barely won to the point where the delegate difference was minimal.
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