dragonelite
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The 4 random games you get are worth the 3/month for me. But i think they will make online play free and go with ps3 era PS live+
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Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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The 4 random games you get are worth the 3/month for me. But i think they will make online play free and go with ps3 era PS live+
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longdi
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I would dislike the idea that i am paying the same price for a worse-off version, and i hate to read through online comments about how bad the Neo version is now.
Hopefully Neo releases much earlier and comes in at a lower msrp. MS made a big mistake with One specs choices, and i laughed at them for it. I would hate to see the same thing happening with Neo. Not like this Shu...
Aside from the 50% GPU advantage, what's more scary is we still don't know how much RAM and what CPU cores MS will use, as Phil ominously hinted about no side-grade thing. Xb-S gap over Neo may even end up bigger than PS4 > Xbone! So if Xb-S is selling only 4-6 months after Neo, Sony may then want to go back to the drawing board before selling/pricing Neo...
MS wants to come back with a bang, and they can afford it! I fear for Kaz & Shu...
CrispyBoar
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I would dislike the idea that i am paying the same price for a worse-off version, and i hate to read through online comments about how bad the Neo version is now.
Hopefully Neo releases much earlier and comes in at a lower msrp. MS made a big mistake with One specs choices, and i laughed at them for it. I would hate to see the same thing happening with Neo. Not like this Shu...
Aside from the 50% GPU advantage, what's more scary is we still don't know Scorpio RAM amount and CPU cores, as Phil ominously hinted about no side-grade thing. Xb-S gap over Neo may even end up bigger than PS4>Xbone! And if Xb-S is only 6 months after Neo, and at same msrp, Sony may then want to go back to the drawing board before selling Neo...
MS wants to come back with a bang, i fear for Kaz & Shu...
Even if Scorpio turns out to be majorly more powerful than Neo, most 3rd party developers are going to cater to the lowest common denominator, being the PS4 due to the large install base. All the Neo & Scorpio will get are incremental graphic upgrades.
Heck, most of them haven't even took full advantage of PS4 & Xbox One themselves.
Freeman
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I would dislike the idea that i am paying the same price for a worse-off version, and i hate to read through online comments about how bad the Neo version is now.
Hopefully Neo releases much earlier and comes in at a lower msrp. MS made a big mistake with One specs choices, and i laughed at them for it. I would hate to see the same thing happening with Neo. Not like this Shu...
Aside from the 50% GPU advantage, what's more scary is we still don't know how much RAM and what CPU cores MS will use, as Phil ominously hinted about no side-grade thing. Xb-S gap over Neo may even end up bigger than PS4 > Xbone! So if Xb-S is selling only 4-6 months after Neo, Sony may then want to go back to the drawing board before selling/pricing Neo...
MS wants to come back with a bang, and they can afford it! I fear for Kaz & Shu...
Relax dude, everyone will be alright.
No idea. But Microsoft will have a plan in place
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I would dislike the idea that i am paying the same price for a worse-off version, and i hate to read through online comments about how bad the Neo version is now.
Hopefully Neo releases much earlier and comes in at a lower msrp. MS made a big mistake with One specs choices, and i laughed at them for it. I would hate to see the same thing happening with Neo. Not like this Shu...
Aside from the 50% GPU advantage, what's more scary is we still don't know how much RAM and what CPU cores MS will use, as Phil ominously hinted about no side-grade thing. Xb-S gap over Neo may even end up bigger than PS4 > Xbone! So if Xb-S is selling only 4-6 months after Neo, Sony may then want to go back to the drawing board before selling/pricing Neo...
MS wants to come back with a bang, and they can afford it! I fear for Kaz & Shu...
That's some first rate concern, right there.
I would dislike the idea that i am paying the same price for a worse-off version, and i hate to read through online comments about how bad the Neo version is now.
Hopefully Neo releases much earlier and comes in at a lower msrp. MS made a big mistake with One specs choices, and i laughed at them for it. I would hate to see the same thing happening with Neo. Not like this Shu...
Aside from the 50% GPU advantage, what's more scary is we still don't know how much RAM and what CPU cores MS will use, as Phil ominously hinted about no side-grade thing. Xb-S gap over Neo may even end up bigger than PS4 > Xbone! So if Xb-S is selling only 4-6 months after Neo, Sony may then want to go back to the drawing board before selling/pricing Neo...
MS wants to come back with a bang, and they can afford it! I fear for Kaz & Shu...
This thing will not be going up against Neo it's a play to get the PC market back from Steam.
LookAtMeGo
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Looks like I will be picking up both new console iterations. Pray for my wallet.
I would dislike the idea that i am paying the same price for a worse-off version, and i hate to read through online comments about how bad the Neo version is now.
Hopefully Neo releases much earlier and comes in at a lower msrp. MS made a big mistake with One specs choices, and i laughed at them for it. I would hate to see the same thing happening with Neo. Not like this Shu...
Aside from the 50% GPU advantage, what's more scary is we still don't know how much RAM and what CPU cores MS will use, as Phil ominously hinted about no side-grade thing. Xb-S gap over Neo may even end up bigger than PS4 > Xbone! So if Xb-S is selling only 4-6 months after Neo, Sony may then want to go back to the drawing board before selling/pricing Neo...
MS wants to come back with a bang, and they can afford it! I fear for Kaz & Shu...
I refuse to believe there are real people that feel this way
I would dislike the idea that i am paying the same price for a worse-off version, and i hate to read through online comments about how bad the Neo version is now.
Maybe if power and pride is your concern, get a PC? In the end im sure every gaming platform will be more than sufficient.
PeregrinSe7en
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its some first rate fan fiction I tell ya
he has his full console warrior gear on right now
Fess
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Then don't buy it.I would dislike the idea that i am paying the same price for a worse-off version, and i hate to read through online comments about how bad the Neo version is now.
Hopefully Neo releases much earlier and comes in at a lower msrp. MS made a big mistake with One specs choices, and i laughed at them for it. I would hate to see the same thing happening with Neo. Not like this Shu...
Aside from the 50% GPU advantage, what's more scary is we still don't know how much RAM and what CPU cores MS will use, as Phil ominously hinted about no side-grade thing. Xb-S gap over Neo may even end up bigger than PS4 > Xbone! So if Xb-S is selling only 4-6 months after Neo, Sony may then want to go back to the drawing board before selling/pricing Neo...
MS wants to come back with a bang, and they can afford it! I fear for Kaz & Shu...
This is actually great, the better Scorio is the faster we'll get a proper next generation console from Sony and possibly also Nintendo and this nonsense will be over. Best thing would be if Sony scrapped the Neo plans altogether and launched PS5 in 2018 instead. If Neo is successful then we probably won't see PS5 in another 3 years.
Art Vandilay
Member
Assuming what you're saying is true, wouldn't the result be a never ending cycle of new iterations by each competitor?
Edit: My point is that I don't think this "nonsense will
be over". I personally like it.
LegalEagleMike
Member
Sounds like that is going to happen either way at this point.
Make it an open platform much closer to the PC. It's the only thing its competitors are not doing. Offer the most choice in how to play and where to buy games, as well as the largest library of games (i.e. anything a Windows PC can play).
If it were much closer to a true Windows machine then it gets the biggest game library, no contest. It also means gamers can find the best deals on games since there are multiple digital store fronts competing for their dollars. It seems like that alone could bring more people back around to at least strongly considering it as their primary gaming platform.
The combination of openness, innovation, and flexibility could be a huge differentiator for devs and consumers. I know the knee-jerk reaction is that a more open platform is against their best interest as a business, but I'm not convinced as much looking at bigger picture. I think the biggest hurdle they have right now is just getting a Windows device into homes, which seems fairly easy to solve if they embrace the strengths Windows already has. The hard part is making money on an open platform, but I think the Xbox console is easier to solve for than the PC.
1) Big user base means there will still be a big number of disc buyers, so there's a significant pool of revenue from royalties.
2) Most people will buy digital apps and games from the Windows/Xbox Store without issue, especially if MS steps up their game in better digital incentives.
3) They're still selling accessories for a console. Huge user base + approved/licensed accessories only = more money.
4) Make the Gold subscription a no brainer so more folks are going into the store every month to get their free Windows/Xbox Store games and build their digital library. Expand gold to include apps, movies, etc. and just get people to slowly build the value of their MS account.
5) For the people who want to stick with Steam, GoG, etc. then fine. MS should focus on building more exclusives with the idea they'll get some of their money over time at worst (better than none), and maybe convert some over to more regular customers over time.
How is an Xbox One with better specs a good incentive for Steam users to buy a console?
It's not. A self-built PC is still going to run circles around the console.
This is a play for the people that are intimidated by PC gaming but still thirst for higher fidelity games and VR. And honestly, I doubt that it's that big a market.
Hence why I think Microsoft isn't going for the >599$ high performance box and instead will try to cram everything they possibly can in a 399$ box that competes with the PS4K.
anothertech
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misterX is that you? LOL
Seriously though, 50% GPU advantage?
We know absolutely nothing. NOTHING. The leak said 'targeted 6TF' from an 'inside source' I mean please.
The article reads like the hardware might not even hit that target, and we've had no official word from either party.
Arguing specs at this point and calling out losers while feigning the opposite is a very 2013 Misterxmedia move bro.
If XBO support is dropped and both versions aren't compatible in respect to one title working fine on both machine then M$ screwed themselves by having two new platforms within a short time-span.
Jimbob Smalls
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I can't see this being true.
Not unless MS have decided to blow a shed load of dough and go down the separate CPU and GPU route.
Which they won't because that means billions of dollars in R&D.
Interesting times indeed.
Not unless MS have decided to blow a shed load of dough and go down the separate CPU and GPU route.
Which they won't because that means billions of dollars in R&D.
Interesting times indeed.
SlipperyFishes
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Multiple sources were vetted for this report and confirmed by Kotaku after publishing.
vpance
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6TF box for $399 will grab many people's attention. But a 4-5TF box at the same price of Neo 1 year later will be a fart in the wind.
2blackcats
Member
Open platform closer to pc? This is Microsoft we're talking about. Nothing they've done in the last 5 years indicated this would be a direction they'd take.
If there's multiple store fronts and it's compatible with pc, isn't it just a PC?
What would make gold a no brainer for PC users?
I can't wait for E3, I definitely think you're on the right track with their plans. I just can't see how it will all come together.
The thread is coated in it, lots of hilarious scenarios being dreamt up, and people trying to make themselves feel better that they may have to choose a 'weaker' console.
I mean if you had a PS3 or an Xbox One you still got the same thirdparty games albeit not as shiny as the 360 or PS4 versions.
dragonelite
Member
This is exactly what i want faster iteration on console performance.
DataStream
Member
Not sure why anyone would think that going the separate CPU and GPU route would be a big R&D cost. They've already done plenty of work creating custom boards for their Surface line that can handle graphics handoff between integrated and discreet GPU.
In an ideal world, I'd love for the unit itself to be modular
In an ideal world, I'd love for the unit itself to be modular
Will of course be interesting
We get
1) Streaming stick => Probably plays "Mobile" games directly via UWP and can also stream games from Xbox One and allows a wireless controller to be connected. IF Microsoft announces Gamestreaming PC => Xbox, then we will also be able to stream those.
2) Xbox One Slim => Only smaller version of our existing console. Maybe with the option to play UHD-BluRay discs at 4K
3) Xbox One Scorpio
=> Plays all Xbox One games
=> And there is the big unknown if there will be Scorpio exclusive games?
=> Or will it be like PS4 Neo, that every game must have a Legacy and Scorpio Mode?
=> When they are starting the iterative console release approach: Will new games run on a console 1,2,3 generations back?
We get
1) Streaming stick => Probably plays "Mobile" games directly via UWP and can also stream games from Xbox One and allows a wireless controller to be connected. IF Microsoft announces Gamestreaming PC => Xbox, then we will also be able to stream those.
2) Xbox One Slim => Only smaller version of our existing console. Maybe with the option to play UHD-BluRay discs at 4K
3) Xbox One Scorpio
=> Plays all Xbox One games
=> And there is the big unknown if there will be Scorpio exclusive games?
=> Or will it be like PS4 Neo, that every game must have a Legacy and Scorpio Mode?
=> When they are starting the iterative console release approach: Will new games run on a console 1,2,3 generations back?
dragonelite
Member
I think Microsoft already said they want games to be forward compatible and consoles backward compatible. Some time ago or i could misremember it.
I don't see this happening and I don't think I would want them to do this,
Why should they spend millions and millions on R&D for a new console, maybe ever sell it with some loss at the beginning, just to be another PC. MS would be a hardware manufacturer then.
They want people using their ecosystem and their services. What financial benefit is there to let people use other stores where they wouldn't get any revenue? There isn't any.
Also consoles are supposed to be easily accessible for customers. Insert disc (or download from store) -> play. I don't see people getting excited about downloading games from GoG and running a setup wizard to install their games.
They do want to push UWP and their unified Windows Store. Bringing a new console and telling devs: hey you can release your app/game on up to three device-types on one store and target a huge audience. I think that could work to push their store. That doesn't mean people have to stop using Steam, why should they? But it would help MS in growing their store.
dragonelite
Member
Now that you mention it, if they went with
A good CPU in scorpio they could bring out gpu modules like the surfacebook keyboard.
It seems like all the other aspects of Microsoft are building stronger partnerships and embracing consumer choice.
Azure with support for Linux, Ubuntu, VMware, Citrix, Google Kubertenes. Outlook working with Salesforce when MS has a competing product with Dynamics. Visual Studio with the Xamarin acquisition making it easier to develop for any platform. Office and Outlook apps working really well on iOS and Android, some of which went to iOS before they even came to Windows Phone. Windows 10 now supporting notifications from Android devices. There are more, but those are off the top of my head.
The rumor is the word extensibility is big inside Microsoft lately. I'd like to see that applied to a Microsoft console. Make it as inclusive and flexible as possible, but with the ease of use one expects of a console. I think there's a fine line they could walk there.
As for Gold a no brainer. Drop the MP from behind Gold, but increase the value of Games with Gold and Deals with Gold. It pays for itself already several times over, but I think they could do even better.
xaosslug
Member
when will peeps learn that XBOX division stays the redheaded stepchild in the MS family. They do not have a blank check. Not anymore. One was $499, because the division could not afford the box to be any cheaper. Period.
if you think MS is gonna release some sort of subsidised super home console for $399... you are kidding yourselves. smh
this new box will probably be $499, again...
if you think MS is gonna release some sort of subsidised super home console for $399... you are kidding yourselves. smh
this new box will probably be $499, again...
Leyasu
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The thing is PC gamers aren't going to buy Live subscriptions. Microsoft already tried that once and failed. Steam is even more popular now then it was when the tried Games for Windows Live and every other store/platform on PC is free.
Compsiox
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Dude has a gaming PC and can buy into MS exclusives via the Windows Store.
As such, he'd still be part of the Xbox ecosystem, only minus the need to purchase redundant Xbox hardware.
I imagine many others will be in the same boat, with the exception being those who exclusively play on consoles.
Edit: yikes, no need to insult that poster.
Seriously lol. Some of these posts are borderline fantasy.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
No, just no. Profit from Live is much much smaller than what you think. They have to pay the infrastructure (servers, storage, data transport), the free games (48 a year), the exclusive content deals (EA, Ubisoft), their team (250+) and a lot more. If they're lucky they have 10 % of the subscription fee as profit. But who buys Gold for full price anyway when its codes are valid worldwide and those typically sell for 40 % of the retail price?
He never was an insider.
Lol That ninja edit.
MilkyJoe
Member
That's a new one.
Compsiox
Banned
Next thing you know he'll tell me to vote for Venasaur this year during elections.
Snake29
Banned
People will get so disappointed! Microsoft is never gonna make it this gen against Sony with already more then 40+ million consoles sold world wide. Sony already have VR and much more interesting IP's.
Microsoft can only do something if they release better and more new IP's. I personally don't see anything will change between Sony and Microsoft.
Microsoft can only do something if they release better and more new IP's. I personally don't see anything will change between Sony and Microsoft.
justsomeguy
Member
$100 of that price was for Kinect. So the console itself was, effectively, 399.
justsomeguy
Member
Ms had a good year with new ips/exclusives if you go back to sunset overdrive et al, and it hardly moved the dial. It seems that exclusives, in general, don't move boxes any more in significant numbers. Something like uc4 is obviously an exception.
Leyasu
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...Scatter...
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OK - but this thread is about MS next gen machine. What does that have to do with PS4 vs. XBO?
Just put a USB-C connector on the Xbox One Slim. Plug it into a Win10 PC, the Xbox app detects the console and you can run games directly from there (like streaming, but on cable). Sell the console at $279.
Hell they can even make the USB-C Thunderbolt 3 capable and allow the Xbox to use the PC's GPU and boost quality and performance of console games. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Hell they can even make the USB-C Thunderbolt 3 capable and allow the Xbox to use the PC's GPU and boost quality and performance of console games. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.