ShogunDarius
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that's what I'm gonna do with the 1080 FTW, its already OC'd and thats enough for me
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that's what I'm gonna do with the 1080 FTW, its already OC'd and thats enough for me
Coulomb_Barrier
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You didn't need a BIOS update to hit 1450-1500Mhz overclocks on Maxwell cards though.
It's clear that Pascal reaches its limit around 2000Mhz. AIB cards perform no better. Read this MSI Gaming X 1080 review:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1080_gaming_x_8g_review,38.html
Seems NV upped the base clock so much to tip the performance to a very marketable point. Downside is that there is not much room for OCing past that point.
finalflame
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finalflame
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Good idea to wait for the AIB (custom MSI/Gigabyte/ASUS/EVGA/etc) cards. Higher default boost clocks, quieter/better coolers, and cheaper.
FE is a terrible value.
No, get a custom card based on the stock PCB, such as the EVGA 1080 with the ACX 3.0 cooler. It's cheaper and will stay cooler than the FE.
The FE is priced the same as the higher end custom cards and yet it's probably one of the worst cards available. Avoid it.
That was a 3D rendering program, not a DirectX or OpenGL game. Misleading, sure.
DryvBy
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Well, because I'm lazy. And doing one extra step to increase my performance is just one step too many.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Finally, the voice of reason.
Lol.
True though, was very, very deceptive for Nvidia to do that reveal with that magical 1080 running @ 2100Mhz!!
What was that, submerged in a vat of liquid nitrogen?
Sure, the performance at stock is great. But you gotta look past the BS. Some people on here were saying this thing was going to OC to 2300+Mhz.
wumster3000
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So for someone that never OC, is having an FE a bad thing? Mine just arrived and I don't want to keep it if it is. I don't care about the "for the price it's not" argument. That's not the answer that I am looking for.
Some third party card might be clocked a bit higher out of the box, but it will be an incredibly negligible difference. If you don't care about OC-ing, then you probably won't care about the 1-2 FPS that out of the box boosts will get you.
wumster3000
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Straight to the point and exactly the answer I was looking for. Thank you so much killroy.
Some cards are getting around a 10% improvement over the FE though. For games hovering around the 60fps mark that could make a difference.
Coulomb_Barrier
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It's a poor answer though. You've been shafted a bit by NV as the AIB cards run cooler, quieter and look better, all for $50/60/70 less. I would return it and get an AIB 1080. If you can't, you'll still live.
Mine can hit 1850MHz on stock GPU boost, I'm keeping it stock for now.
I may need to OC to 2000MHz once I get my paws on a curved Gsync monitor tho.
It's going to be the worst 1080 in almost all ways
Looks are very subjective, some of these AIB designs are looking rushed. Cooler and quieter, yes.
finalflame
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The only thing worse is the cooler. That's it.
chromatic9
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Ned Flanders Edition
wumster3000
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I don't know about that. Most of them look like shit to me. IMO that MSI thing looks freaking terrible.
demigod
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You take that back!
Sure, but you're buying an entire product, you're not just buying a cooler.
Tom said on Pcper that ~2100 was about the higest they could reach in their labs
I don't know about that. Most of them look like shit to me. IMO that MSI thing looks freaking terrible.
I'll take something that looks "terrible" over something that's overpriced and performs like shite.
The MSI cards have one of the best air cooling solutions available.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Think it looks great.
You're right though, that cooler reduces temps by around 10 degress apparently, and at the same time is significantly quieter than the reference (significant meaning a few db but that is a lot). One of the best coolers out there for perf/price right now probably.
Me too, hence the quotations. I had two MSI 970s and they looked great even if they didn't really match the rest of my system.
wumster3000
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That's fine and that's your choice. I never said it didn't cool well. I stated, "IMO, it looks freaking terrible". I don't like the design so therefore I wouldn't buy it.
finalflame
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The black and red "gamer" look has to go. It has overstayed its welcome by about a decade.
It's just my opinion, but If he doesn't have a frame of reference, he won't be missing much.
CraigerGamer
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Not only that but Jen-Hsun said in his presentation that the card was extremely over-clockable or something like that. I know its PR speak and we should never believe NVIDIA when it comes to hyperbole, but now this seems like a straight up lie.
But I mean, it's not an opinion. Generally with the cards which have been benchmarked so far, the difference isn't just 1-2 fps.
At the same time I don't know if it is really the best advice to tell someone to pay more for less.
finalflame
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He's not asking what to buy, he's saying he already has the card and should he bother taking it back. The answer is probably no, not worth the hassle.
Yeah, but because of that one thing it means
1. Cooling will be worse
2. Therefore, because of thermal throttling performance will be worse
3. Overclocking will be worse
4. Fan noise will be worse
Yeah, so the only that's worse is the cooler
wumster3000
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I think the guys who are telling me to send them shits back are not being mean, they just don't want Nvidia to get away with doing stupid shit to customers. I completely understand what they are stating and I appreciate it their concern. It's a valid concern.
This is what I want to know.
This is what I want to know.
finalflame
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1. If you don't adjust the fan curve, which currently maxes itself out around 50% of the blower RPM.
2. If you adjust the fan curve, thermal throttling does not occur.
3. If you adjusted the fan curve, overclocking will not be worse.
4. Yes, the fan noise will be worse.
So yes, the FE costs $100 more and is louder/has less efficient cooling.
... which makes it the worst 1080
I don't know about that. Most of them look like shit to me. IMO that MSI thing looks freaking terrible.
take the shroud off and give it a cover of black spray paint, and pull the stickers off the fans... job done
or better yet stop buying PC cases with a window in the side panel, buy a case with noise dampening instead.
finalflame
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Sure, but it's not "worse in every possible way". The only thing worse about it is the cooler and the price. The benefit is you get to have one ~3 weeks before everyone else. To some, it's worth the premium (me).
It overclocks the same, it can not throttle itself the same, it essentially is the same.
Non-reference PCBs promise more power phases and additional power pins, but I doubt this will deliver higher overclocks to 99% of people who buy them.
i would be more concerned with the noise it's going to make... ofc if you keep so it throttles down to its base clock, then it will be relatively quiet
It was pretty fugly when I pulled my MSI FE card out of the box and they'd used red little protective plugs on the interface ports and PCB edge connector. Looks nasty with the green and silver.
finalflame
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I'm kind of bummed my nVidia FE didn't come with those protective plugs (but in black). I like to keep the SLi ones on for a cleaner look, but found none where included :/
What's an incredibly punishing game or benchmark that's sure to make my FE throttle to base clocks? So far in the games I play, mine is always around 1850 at stock fan profile.
finalflame
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Try FurMark for synthetic benchmark.
For regular benchmark, I'd try Unigine Valley at 4K Ultra with all settings maxed and just let it loop ad nauseum.
Might as well buy a GALAX clown card at this point too :^)
Coulomb_Barrier
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Oh my god.
Can't believe people trying to convince others the reference card is as good as the better AIB ones. It's actually worse than any of the AIB cards out there.
Lol at the guy saying 'only the cooler is worse'. Do you seriously not realize the significance of that?
Also, the guy with the 1080 FE should return it now. He's obviously not 100% happy now and that feeling will only get worse in the future. Do yourself a favour man, take it back, buy a superior non-reference card, pocket the change.
Can't believe people trying to convince others the reference card is as good as the better AIB ones. It's actually worse than any of the AIB cards out there.
Lol at the guy saying 'only the cooler is worse'. Do you seriously not realize the significance of that?
Also, the guy with the 1080 FE should return it now. He's obviously not 100% happy now and that feeling will only get worse in the future. Do yourself a favour man, take it back, buy a superior non-reference card, pocket the change.
Witcher 3. It's my goto benchmark for overclocks atm, also fun to mess around while you're testing. Just make sure you're not testing in the middle of novigrad because you;d be more cpu limited there.
That card will probably be worse than the refrence / founders *<:^0
jim2point0
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People that bought the FE had plenty of warning that it would be the 1080 that costs the most and performs the worst. Probably no sense in telling them to send it back now.