Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]

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I wish I could do something for the victims and their families. The sad thing is is that I'm almost numb to this stuff now - the only thing I can feel is disgust. To say that we have a huge problem with ideologies that teach hate and guns would be an understatement.
 
LyleLanley said:
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Yep, Sandy Hook was the end of my hope that anything would ever be done with guns in this country
 
Jombie said:
I wish I could do something for the victims and their families. The sad thing is is that I'm almost numb to this stuff now - the only thing I can feel is disgust. To say that we have a huge problem with ideologies that teach hate and guns would be an understatement.
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Whoa just woke up to this news, this is unreal. I went to that club 3 years go with a friend. Jesus, why do people hate us so damn much.
 
50 people who happened to be homosexuals where murdered by a guy whose name happens to sound Islamic?

This conversation will go anywhere but towards gun control.

Rip to the victims and I hope the perpetrator gets cushy in hell.
 
Kyzer said:
We ban console wars discussions because of its ability to derail threads, im sure there are other examples. This arbitrary line drawing you're talking about has already been done and makes total sense when there are things that will destroy the discourse of a thread and become the same argument about something elss every time.
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Console wars are often unnecessary derailment because it has fuck all to do with the topic of the OP. Gun law conversations amidst a mass shooting is kinda where you would expect this to be a conversation when talking about the political aspect to the shooting. Along with things like homophobia and terrorism.
 
Erevador said:
Looking at his twitter, he posts this stuff all the time. It looks like a scheduled tweet. I don't like the content of it, but I don't think it's related to this incident.

Often there are inconvenient scheduled tweets that go out in the aftermath of these events and appear tone deaf.
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If he has his Twitter set up to automatically send hateful tweets (in any context that verse is hateful) then he better be ready to reap what he sows.
 
Zubz said:
This is horrible... A shooting of this size should almost certainly lead to a reform of some kind. Unfortunately, however, I don't see that happening, even if other terrorist attacks of equal/lesser sizes led to reform regarding whatever was used to carry out those attacks.
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First of all, those a grave news, I feel sorry for all who lost someone close to them and all those who had to see what happened.


Concerning the reform you mentionend, well it's the US. Trump will most likely announce, that if everyone in that club had a gun, this wouldn't have happened. People will feel even more unsafe, so they'll buy even more guns. Good time to have some of them S&M shares...
 
Frozenprince said:
Just like there isn't a point to trying to understand and figure out racism right?

Same fucking thing.
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well,yeah

if you decide to talk about homofobia,you are already out of the cultural circle that would promote it,and changing people's beliefs,especially ones that had been implanted since they were young,one way or another,is frankly impossibile..if it wasn't,many of the world's problem would have already been solved by know and any kind of discrimination would be just a memory

this kind of things must change along with the world,and that can only happen with time,with the actual generation not passing certain meme,beliefs and such to the next one..but actually changing people's beliefs?i don't think it's possible...let alone when talking about something that involves religion,or politcs,or both
 
APZonerunner said:
To be fair, the atrocities in Paris were the acts of a co-ordinated group who had planned far, far in advance and, crucially, had support, financial and otherwise, from an established terrorist network, and through that from IS itself. This attack appears, at least so far, to be the act of a lone gunman who likely has been inspired and groomed by the extremists online and the like but who probably hasn't received the sort of support that the Paris attackers did. Or, to put it another way, it has more in common with the California shooting a few months back where that guy and his wife were inspired by stuff online and performed an act alone than Paris, where a large group of terrorists mounted an attack that was planned with IS, and that the group immediately claimed gleeful responsibility for.

Of course, it could turn out that this guy is part of a cell and part of a larger machine, but the nature of the attack - a solo attack - historically puts it alongside the less organized people who've been radicalized but aren't part of a group in a specific way, at least based on the past.

Obviously these sort of attacks can happen anywhere, but I do think there's an argument for saying gun control makes it more difficult so that it's much harder for individuals (or smaller groups) to do terrible things without outside support from the likes of IS. As an example I submit UK events like the terrible murder of Lee Rigby - two guys were encouraged by things they'd read online to kill UK soldiers who'd returned home after fighting in the Middle East, but all they could basically get was a machete. It is terrible what they did to Lee Rigby, but one also has to be thankful they couldn't get access to firearms. What if they'd stormed that area with rifles instead? To use a non-radical example, when the UK did have a shooting with Raol Moat, who shot three people, he was distinctly limited by the nature of the gun he could get - a slower-loading hunting rifle. Again, there's damage limitation there compared to if he'd had a semi-automatic weapon, and the UK gun laws can really be thanked for that.

This is terrible, anyway. I hope we don't lose any more of the injured.
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That's certainly true, but going back to France there you had a situation where Jihadists were able to procure a large arsenal and go on the rampage, not once but twice in one year. Belgium too. If people are determined enough they'll get guns themselves, legal or not. Just look at that French neo-Nazi going all the way to Ukraine to procure weaponry to wage war against Muslims and Jews.

People here seem to be missing the key point of what I'm saying, that while gun control is indeed important it's not the only way to deal with modern day Islamist terrorism. It's quite weird being called a right wing Fox News viewer simply for suggesting that it takes more than banning guns when dealing with this threat. Gun control is absolutely necessary, but don't for a minute believe it'll end such gun violence.
 
Wow...this is horrific...My thoughts are with the victims and their families.

The man who committed this...For what?! What was this for!?! Do you really think it was worth it for your beliefs or your pain to kill indiscriminantly?
 
Majukun said:
well,yeah

if you decide to talk about homofobia,you are already out of the cultural circle that would promote it,and changing people's beliefs,especially ones that had been implanted since they were young,one way or another,is frankly impossibile..if it wasn't,many of the world's problem would have already been solved by know and any kind of discrimination would be just a memory

this kind of things must change along with the world,and that can only happen with time,with the actual generation not passing certain meme,beliefs and such to the next one..but actually changing people's beliefs?i don't think it's possible...let alone when talking about something that involves religion,or politcs,or both
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Fuck waiting.

Fuck this passive bullshit.

MY PEOPLE ARE STILL BEING MURDERED EN MASSE I AM DONE WAITING.
 
Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 51s51 seconds ago
The #Orlando shooter was U.S. citizen with no criminal record who held TWO current gun licences.
A 'good guy with a gun' until he wasn't.

Yeah I never understood that stupid excuse.
 
Terrible. I will never understand why some people get upset with how other people live, especially when it doesn't affect them at all.
 
First thing that I heard when I woke up this morning and now the death count has nearly doubled. RIP to all victims, hope for the best for the injured, and love to all families affected by this.
Jombie said:
Texas Lieutenant Governor sends his sympathies:
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More like Republican gun nuts and homophobic hate culture reap what they sow.
 
Will Obama hold a conference any time soon?

stan_marsh said:
Yes he is serious. People want to see what happened.

What's wrong with that?
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I say again, what do you think happened? Death, blood, panic, fear, gun fire, screaming. Fair play to any of you if you want to watch that I guess...
 
Oh my gosh I haven't been following this closely. Just read the initial reports, these things effect me so much. Absolutely heart broken, i can't believe how much the death count has jumped up. I'm just gutted man.

Honestly, most of my anger is towards right wing America.
 
diaspora said:
Didn't the Sandy Hook guy waste a bunch of kindergarten kids?
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The US would need to actually witness the murder of 500-1000+ children before anything gets done. Even then it wouldnt be enough. Like was pointed out, livestreaming would probably be banned instead.
 
I'm so fucking tired of seeing "thoughts and prayers" from our political leaders. Thoughts and prayers don't change anything. They don't fix anything. They don't do anything at all.
 
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