Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]

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RIP, absolutely insane the amount of death one person can do.

You know that Trump is going to be all over this and dial the fearmonging up to 11
 
RIP to the victims, and my sincerest condolences to the victims families. I can't really fathom how these kind of things can happen.
 
50 people gone is insane. Absolutely horrible.

Dreadnought said:
Anyway, the Sandy Hook massacre left 20 dead and the Port Arthur (Which caused Australia to ban guns) left 35 dead. Now we have a massacre with 50 and maybe more dead. What are the chances of finally getting some kind of reform seeing as this is election season and people are voting?
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5%-10%
Push it up to 70% if you can find a way to take out left-wing anti-gun extremists like Feinstein out of the debate.

And I hate to say this but it'll be 0% if this piece of shit happened to be of Muslim faith. The right will use that as an excuse to blame Obama/Hillary and distract the public from the gun control debate.
 
skullmuffins said:
Would it be possible for gaf to set up a gun control debate thread so we don't have to have the same arguments take over every thread about a specific tragedy? Don't get me wrong, I think we have a huge fucking problem with guns in this country, but I would like to be able to read and talk about the actual events without having to wade through 100s gun control back and forth bickering posts.
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It has been tried a couple of times before, and sort of fizzled out inconclusively each time. Usually in about the same length of time that a tragedy thread takes to fizzle out.

I suspect that to be of any sort of use, it will need a lot more structure than we've had before - and maybe to pick up some of the very good summaries from other threads over the last 10 years or so. Quite a lot of work. But as we have a wide range of mostly sensible people on GAF from different countries and backgrounds and perspectives it might be worthwhile.

It's pretty clear that we won't reach any definitive conclusions, and we'll need to avoid going round in little circles, but with goodwill and decent posting we *might* be able to pin the issues down enough so that we can at least reach some sort of consensus on the *sorts* of changes that may be practically, politically, economically, constitutionally and legally feasible and/or effective.

I'm willing to give it a go if there is sufficient interest.
 
SG-17 said:
50 people. 50 fucking people.... We don't need guns. The British aren't going to invade. The South will not rise again. The Indians won't be raiding our settlements. We should have ended this madness when 20 little children were gunned down.

The Second Amendment needs a new look in SCOTUS or it needs repealed.

No one should have guns in their home unless they are a member of law enforcement, the National Guard, the US Military, or a well regulated militia. If people want to go hunting they should be able to borrow a single-shot rifle from a state armory with intense security measures.
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I wish the 2nd Amendment gets modified but it won't, nothing will.

I'm just numb to this because we begin the cycle again.
 
Kyzer said:
We ban console wars discussions because of its ability to derail threads, im sure there are other examples. This arbitrary line drawing you're talking about has already been done and makes total sense when there are things that will destroy the discourse of a thread and become the same argument about something elss every time.



We don't have to bury our heads for anything. Or "not talk". We can easily have a place where you can argue about gun legislation and politics without it becoming the topic of every thread where a gun was used.


Its just not thread specific anymore when every casualty event becomes a gun legislation debate that has no conclusion.

People aren't talking about this killer and the process of getting an ar-15. They're talking about the political ideology of banning guns, regulation, or the contrary in general. Its just a different topic but it takes over every thread and its especially bad because these topics have a solemn gravity that are diminished when it devolves into another gun politics thread.

I have no qualms with the discussion about the specific gun used and the laws involved with him getting it. Im specifically talking about the big shitshow going on that boils down to general gun politics.
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"Console war discussion" is very different in comparison to this thread since those subjects often have absolutely nothing to do with the threads in question. This story is already being covered by many of the major US news outlets in regards to gun control, hate crime, terrorism, religion, etc... and it will only get more coverage once the politicians jump in. It's part of the story and should expected in this thread. I understand for many of us, these different discussions can be annoying/distracting from what we personally want to discuss, but we shouldn't be pushing them off to a gun control mega/community thread dumping ground either just because "there's no solution we can all agree with".
 
Nipo said:
There is a megathread stuck to the top of /r/news with over 3k comments.
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And they're censoring the shit out of it. For an event that happened hours ago of this magnitude, their should be significantly more traction. Notice how the thread was just created 30 minutes ago?
 
SG-17 said:
50 people. 50 fucking people.... We don't need guns. The British aren't going to invade. The South will not rise again. The Indians won't be raiding our settlements. We should have ended this madness when 20 little children were gunned down.

The Second Amendment needs a new look in SCOTUS or it needs repealed.

No one should have guns in their home unless they are a member of law enforcement, the National Guard, the US Military, or a well regulated militia. If people want to go hunting they should be able to borrow a single-shot rifle from a state armory with intense security measures.
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Some outlets are reporting this as a terrorist attack. I suppose we will find out if it was. A guy with a gun who has sympathies with groups like Isis doesn't make him a terrorist per se. A horrific murder and a sympthizer, absolutely. But to be a terrorist I think he would need to have solid membership of a terrorist organisation, established political sympathies and networks, etc.

Also, US gun control is a disgrace and plays a part in all these massacres.
 
This is infuriating. We really have to start doing something against religious fanatics, gay discrimination, and gun control.
 
jstripes said:
Was their kissing harmful to him? Was their kissing harmful to others?

There's plenty of things out there that I find unpleasant, and while I might grouse about them, I just let them go.
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In a recent poll in the UK over 50% of Muslims said they felt homosexuality should not be legal.
If such attitudes are so widespread it's not surprising that hatred can breed and fester there.
 
I know I wouldn't, but I can't stop thinking about how it would feel to expose these bigots on my Facebook feed on here and on Reddit. True filth I am seeing.
 
mreddie said:
What sucks is that LGBT crowd have a weird one year ban to donate blood.
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LGBT or gay men specifically?

If it's LGBT I agree it's weird, if it's gay men then this might help explain it:

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all gay and bisexual men.
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Sho_Nuff82 said:
If it is an act of terrorism it should be treated as such. If it's a lone radicalized nut job acting on behalf of religion (like the marathon bombers), that's still something that needs to be addressed.
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Terrorism is terrorism whether by group, single person, or whatever.

It is an action done to terrorize, change people's actions and to change laws. It could very well be a hate crime and an act of terrorism. It is definitely terrorism, it might not be radical terrorism linked to a religion, but it is definitely meant to terrorize the LGBTQ community and the people of Florida (and the USA in general)
 
I really hate this country sometimes.

RIP to everyone that died, it's such a horrible thing. I can't even imagine how their families must feel.
 
stan_marsh said:
Yes he is serious. People want to see what happened. It's human nature. What's wrong with that?
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Thanks Stan.

I really want to know what happened and I find judging it inappropriate. I'm of course condemning this terrible attack.

You go to a place to have fun, drinks, dance, joy, cherish life and then you get shot down and your life ends. It's horrible and sad. Yet still I want to see what happened inside, how it was. It's just human nature as you say.
 
nelsonroyale said:
Some outlets are reporting this as a terrorist attack. I suppose we will find out if it was. A guy with a gun who has sympathies with groups like Isis doesn't make him a terrorist per se. A horrific murder and a sympthizer, absolutely. But to be a terrorist I think he would need to have solid membership of a terrorist organisation, established political sympathies and networks, etc.
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We all know this won't matter, it really wont. People are going to believe and think this is a terrorist and that will be the end of it.
 
I do try to comfort myself in knowing that statistically the world as a whole is safer place, and we're on a good path and a lot of the push back from extremist is often because of that, but events like this just break heart and i get so frustrated with America's right. I know the zeitgeist is effected by the negative constant barrage of the 24 hour news cycle and its awful effect on the psyche of the world, i just collapse and can't function after this though.

I just can't take these events happening in such close succession and increasingly awful ways and watch America just argue with itself and do fucking nothing.
 
Horrible news. MY condolences and prayers for the victims and families.

I hope you guys at the US can someday end up with this gun crazyness.
 
Fucking Onision

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Officerrob said:
Yep, Sandy Hook was the end of my hope that anything would ever be done with guns in this country
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Some laws did change but you're typically not going to see massive change on a federal level as that's not how gun laws work in the US.

Gun laws changed in NY, CT, and I think CA. A few changes elsewhere.

It's going to have to happen on a state by state basis. But considering this is getting tied to terrorism in the media I don't think there will be much political fuel to push for gun law changes due to an act of terrorism.

Right or wrong I just think that's how it'll play out. There will be changes but in the long term. Like, after we are dead long term.
 
I can't believe I woke up to this news. Its also really depressing that its likely nothing will be done about guns. My condolences, thoughts and prayers for the dead, injured and families.


Is there anyplace set up to help donate to the victims?
 
biggersmaller said:
I are you talking about the Islamic "religion of peace" conservative right or the Christian "religion of peace" conservative right?

Frankly, I would hope any group would mourn the loss of life and push for stricter gun laws. Sadly, that is but a fantasy.
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I meant the christian right. Yeah and stricter gun laws are a joke by now. Thats never gonna happen.
 
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