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[mrklaw]

Specs aren't everything. It's Specs + Price + Availability that matters. For example a $600 console really would not be competing with a traditional console. It'd be competing with PCs.

more than that - there are 40m PS4 owners and many of those will not suddenly ditch the PS4 that they have their friends and digital libraries on for the last three years.

There is an element of 'what can Sony get away with if they are behind in specs' for a few years, because people are entrenched in Sony's ecosystem, and an expectation that Sony will do a Neo2 which leapfrogs Scorpio too.

Basically they'll both leapfrog each other every few years, and there isn't really a reason to switch to the other side and those reasons diminish over time as your investment in your current platform grows.

 

[Linconan]

So...
Microsoft pretty much already called quit on this Gen while announcing Next Gen, and admitting of still milking this Gen.
Ok..

I'm in,
Next Year when the Scorpio is available. Sounds like a beast.

 

[Dream_Journey]

So basically you can play Xbox one games with same setting but 4K.

 

[WouldYouKindly]

Someone who wants to play the games between now and 18 months from now...

How is this a real question?

Ok still dont change the fact that if someone has a fat one they are not gonna run out and buy an s when the new ones right around the corner....still losing sales or someone who wants to play xbox games but hears a new better more powerful console is on its way thats gonna enhance them said games. They arent likely to shell out 300 when they can just wait...

 

[jmdajr]

So the equivalent of a GTX 1070 in Flops and the brandwidth of a GTX 1080. Very interesting. I wonder if MicroSoft will be using an Nvidia GPU this time.

Don't they have deals tied up with AMD?

 

[RussellXV]

Any speculation on the pricing? I dont see it being a cent cheaper than 500$

Being a year away? No less than $399.

 

[ethomaz]

Let's make some maths with Polaris full.

40CU = 2560SPs

2560SPs * 1170Mhz * 2 = 6TFs

There you have the GPU.

 

[Goose_Se7en]

MS is effectively conceding this generation to Sony. Not unlike MS to just abandon a product and move on to the next thing. Moreover, with Project Scorpio they aren't abandoning Xbox One/Xbox One S, but they are heavily betting on their console being the most powerful in the market come 2017.

I wonder if game historians will consider PS Neo/Project Scorpio to be a new generation. I certainly would. MS has is in "game on" mode.

 

[Gleethor]

Now for the forum-wide mental gymnastics as we tell ourselves that power doesn't matter now.

 

[BFIB]

no, he said all Xbox One games will work on all three, not that scorpio games would work on the One

Bingo. And if your a developer, why wouldn't you want to develop for the newest kit?

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Oh boy, the NX. Talk about being in a rough spot.

Gotta' be honest, I'm far more interested in what Nintendo has planned than anything Scorpio-related.

 

[GinoFelino]

They are so gonna let that Xbox One compatibility with Scorpio games slide.

Not buying that for a second.

Cool that Scorpio will be fully backwards compatible though!

Side note: 6TF will not be all that impressive come Holiday 2017.

 

[Duxxy3]

4 year cycle, backwards compatibility and a couple years of cross development. That's what I'm guessing.

 

[shiftplusone]

Like who in the right mind would buy an x1 or s now? Killed them sales just to get a pop

I have a PC with a high end video card

s is 300 bucks and does 4k bluray and has BC with 360. 2 features my PC doesn't do, but nothing that I need to wait 18 months to do

 

[Shig]

Didn't we just spend the first few years of this gen bemoaning projects being developed across gens, and how developing a project to work on lesser systems tended to discourage from really pushing the new systems' capabilities?

Now we got Cross-Gen Ports: The Console and y'all happy? What?

 

[Megawarrior]

Forget about Sony, wonder how nintendo will react to all of this.

 

[bidguy]

Patrick Klepek ‏@patrickklepek 1m1 minute ago
Patrick Klepek Retweeted (((Noray)))
Devs I’ve talked to are unhappy about PS4.5 because it’s happening so fast, Sony demanding compatibility ASAP.

interesting

this all buy confirms specs on neo are a lock....

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

I wish I had kept screengrabs of the people here who thought next gen wouldn't do 4k.

 

[MikeE21286]

The upgrade stuff is cool but I already have a PC. If I want the power I can get it there. And get more of it.

Weird place for consoles now.

 

[Dabanton]

I think Microsoft revealed their hand too early. All Sony has to do is up clock their Polaris apu in neo and it'll be an even race again.

Then MS can change things accordingly as well. This scorpio thing isn't coming out until holiday 2017

Unless Sony is releasing the Neo in holiday 2017 they have to have a pretty nailed down architecture for the Neo.

 

[darkwing]

By the time NX comes out Sony and MS will have next next gen machines lol

always late to the party I guess

 

[jordan0386]

I assume Elite controllers were R&D early in order for cost to go down, to ship with Scorpios?

 

[poodpick]

Is this a 6 pin ATX connector?

 

[udivision]

Forward compatible? Makes sense.

 

[axisofweevils]

So, we calling this the XBOPS?

 

[Lakitu]

So incremental updates is the new thing, right? So does that mean I'd have to pay £400-500 every two or three years just to keep up? Not my idea of incremental. Don't like it or I'm missing something. Is the hardware itself upgradeable like a PC? In that case, I wouldn't mind. But no way I'd do the first option, I'd prefer to bow out of gaming altogether if that happened.

 

[Chinner]

If I build a PC now will the Xbox Scorpio be more powerful???

 

[Lucifon]

So the ps4 neo is a full year ahead of the new xbox? Seems like a poorly planned move on Microsoft's front.

Especially with the lead Sony have currently.

 

[Basketball]

Better Controller

and now the most powerful

well damn ....

 

[_SAKY_]

This is gonna be expensive af

And I can't wait

This.

 

[SRTtoZ]

So the equivalent of a GTX 1070 in Flops and the brandwidth of a GTX 1080. Very interesting. I wonder if MicroSoft will be using an Nvidia GPU this time.

No, AMD most definitely.

 

[perfectchaos007]

This is the start of iterative hardware with near parity with entry to mid level PC parts.

Is that true or is this the PC Master Race side of you talking. I'm not a PC gamer so I can't detect sarcasm in this sector

 

[zoukka]

A 500 dollar box that will do 4k gaming and VR? I mean it's possible sure, but I'm extremely sceptical it will be that cheap.

It's a 1.5 year to the future dude. That's forever in hardware specs and prices.

 

[Madness]

6 tflops. Damn. Regret buying my Xbox One if this will be full backwards compatible.

 

[Alienous]

Why? As long as the PS4K isn't allowed to have exclusives, Nintendo shouldn't have to worry. The PS4 is gonna hold the PS4K back, which will hold Scorpio multiplats back.

The NX just has more console hardware competition now. They need to stand out all the more.

 

[Croatoan]

Oculus Rift 2 with packed in Touch for Project Scorpio please. We need a larger market than HTC Vive for our roomscale games .

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

Some of you really think Sony is panicking. They aren't.

 

[linkboy]

Can someone explain how all the Xbox consoles will play the same games? They kept saying this but it's not clear what it means.

1. Is MS going to mandate that all Xbox games release for both One and Scorpio?
   
2. Will the Scorpio games be identical except using higher res assets?
   
3. Will devs have to build and test two different versions of each game?
   
4. Will the two versions share the same achievements?

It'll be similar to how a PC scales games, only instead of targeting many different setups, developers will only have to worry about a few (Xbox One, One S, Scorpio)

 

[Filthy Casual]

Consoles can finally compete with PC....by joining with PC

If you can't beat em join em ;p

 

[rokkerkory]

Is this a 6 pin ATX connector?

maybe also 6 memory chips i can see?

it coudl just be all a mockup tho

 

[Gattsu25]

They framed this update perfectly.

Really good job to the folks on the Xbox team.

Iterative console releases are the future so it's good to see them having developers making the case for why this is exciting.

 

[Long Division]

If this came out this holiday it would be a beast..next holiday? not so much.

 

[Cornbread78]

I gues Sony can completely rewrite their presentation now to present Neo to make sure it has better specs. Maybe they will film some new videos to counter everything and add this in tonight as well.


Right guys? RIGHT!?!


That system is a monster though, but at what cost?

 

[DemonCleaner]

RX490 APU in a console. cool.

 

[Yangshouwen]

It's a monster

 

[Plywood]

4K 30? Yes.


4K 60? No.


1440p 60 upscale? Sometimes.

I'd honestly prefer they just aim for 1080/60 then with a strong IQ then.

 

[Blam]

So incremental updates is the new thing, right? So does that mean I'd have to pay £400-500 every two or three years just to keep up? Not my idea of incremental. Don't like it.

Remember when the Consoles were supposed to last 10 years. Yeah I remember that.

 

[Kurt Angle]

any video link?

 

[The Last Wizard]

Seeing a lot of your move Sony posts, funny how that rhetoric of graphics and frames not mattering but fun from the beginning of this gen disappearing lol

 

[blastprocessor]

Wow over to Sony. This is one big sucker punch.