wapplew
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Yup, the only thing to make console generation exciting is no more. Every devices is the same now.
Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017
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Yup, the only thing to make console generation exciting is no more. Every devices is the same now.
Exactly this. It's a gamble. There is no telling that a more powerful system will mean they are back to being number 1 in the U.S. The first thing they have to hit is the price and I remain skeptical that this thing is going to be anything less than 499$. It's a reset for MS to try and get back the market.
Kilau
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In that case all MS did was read a post off mixterx and call it Scorpio.
Watch the video in OP, there are 16 memory chips.
I thought every thing pointed to early 2017 for NEO?
NullPointer
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Also that doesn't sound like something coming to the bone.
The ton of sacrifices and cuts that had to be made to port it. Thus the obsolescence argument again.
A Scorpio or NEO upgrade doesn't feel quite so optional when the base versions of games are going to have scalpels taken to them.
Goldenmoney
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Wow that is a massive jump in power. It may as well be a brand new console generation lol.
SmokedMeat
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So drop $450 for a 1070 now and another $450-$500 in less then two years to stay ahead? No thanks.
Yup, same here. Only reason I went over to the Sony side was cause it was the more powerful console.
AMD TF are different. For example, AMD's upcoming low-end $200 GPU that's slightly worse than a 980 is 5.5 TF and will likely have 3rd party overclocked versions at 6 tf.
Probably around $700 if you build around the AMD 480 which is coming out sometime in the near future
Generations are gone. People who think this is some mid-cycle upgrade that will be obsolete three years later don't understand what's happening. There are no cycles any longer. At no point will MS come out with a new box that is cut off from the Scorpio and One. From now on an iterative upgrade will drop every two to three years and you can play Xbox games on all of them with varying graphical fidelity. At some point old consoles will stop being supported, but probably not until they're 2-3 cycles old.
That said, generations are why I like consoles. I like buying a box knowing it will be supported for at least 6 years and that every game I play on it was built with my hardware in mind. Iterative consoles have me seriously considering building a gaming PC.
18 months is a long time since they are just using PC parts, not custom chips etc..
ninjablade
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naw i don't agree with this, you can have games run on the same hardware, and there could be still a huge difference, the last of us on ps4 still looks great, i can really appreciate clean IQ and 60fps, its a night and day difference. i'm playing bloodborne, and the framerate is bad and iq look like shit, the old ps3 game on ps4 looks far more pleasing to my eyes.
LordOfChaos
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I'm surprised they announced it at this one. After the XBO and PS4 reveals, I'd have thought they'd want to keep quieter for a while so a competitor can't change plans, as they still have at least six months before Neo production.
darkinstinct
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Now they know how the Xbox department felt when PS4 was announced to be 399.
Good point too. VR will not be on One. So there is that distinction as well
SkylineRKR
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Yeah I'm happy Scorpio is actually powerful. I was afraid they wanted to shove us weaksauce upgrades (which Sony clearly set out to do). But now Sony has to rethink which is good.
If its AMD Vega, AMD might as well just axe it because that shit aren't going to touch the GTX1070 let alone the GTX1080 with what Microsoft announced today.
This console is almost certainly going to use Polaris, especially when the RX 480 is 5.5tf.
Eh, they've partnered with Occulus for PC streaming, it's not out of the question for the scorpio to have Occulus compatibility.
Absolutely, if these can run 4k games at 30 fps it's going to be awesome. I don't have a 4k tv and haven't had a need for one but I would absolutely buy one for these consoles next year.
CitizenCope
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I'm on board with this. God I'm giddy today with Scorpio news and knowing Neo is on the horizon.
Bl@de
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Yep. It's basically a "next generation console", except that Microsoft is abandoning the generations and selling games across all systems (XB1, PC, Scorpio). After 1-2 hardware iterations the oldest model will get dropped for new games just like with iPhone apps. Personally I like that model. It would be better if they release their games on steam though. Better for MS and better for consumers. I doubt that games on the Windows Store are selling well (example: RotR numbers).
Why wouldn't I? It's not like I would switch over to PC to spite consoles.
It just wouldn't make sense getting a new box every year when you can just upgrade a PC.
The MS defense force is active alright lol
Personally for me I don't want to get my hands messy upgrading parts in this. If I eventually buy a Windows 10 PC with a beefy graphics card it will be an added bonus but I prefer to game on consoles and not sit at a workstation and I don't want a traditional PC where I do work on in my living room.
So MS is fully going with yearly refreshes now? Xbox S this year Xbox Scorpio 2017. Another in 2018?
I was sceptical about yearly refreshes before but in the mobile business no company is stupid enough enough to announce a product that far out. Announcing a successor of a successor before the successor has even hit the market? That's crazy. (To be fair, I don't think MS wants this actually to succeed, I believe they want to crash'n'burn the console market eliminating Sony and then focusing on their money making PC business).
I was sceptical about yearly refreshes before but in the mobile business no company is stupid enough enough to announce a product that far out. Announcing a successor of a successor before the successor has even hit the market? That's crazy. (To be fair, I don't think MS wants this actually to succeed, I believe they want to crash'n'burn the console market eliminating Sony and then focusing on their money making PC business).
Sony will run the same risk, but of course the Xbox One stands to be hurt more. Regardless, they have both already committed to this route, so we will see how it goes. I just know I am glad that I at least have another year and a half to enjoy my Xbox One before thinking about making the jump and taking my games along with me. 2018 sounds about right to me.
LukasTaves
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Likely?
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I received these last month but wasn't comfortable posting them here
Wut is this? Are there more of those?
Oh Lord. Because you can play your games forever (or as long as the server is UP).
You will utilise it with a better version of BF1 for example....
PC gamers have this option since always. Now it's on consoles too.
BFIB
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It should be.
Developers want the newest tech. Why do you think they create these target demos, only to have consumer backlash when the actual product is released, and the downgrade is apparent? If I'm a developer, I want the latest, and greatest, and don't want any compromise. So why would I purposely develop something for the original One when I have all this power to utilize at my fingertips and can realize my vision?
Then for the consumer, your hit with a massively downgraded experience on the older model, because the developer did not have you in mind. Think Shadow of Modor PS3/360 port, or any of the ports that were brought over from PS4/One to PS3/360.
Not a fan of this at all. Just wait a year, and announce a new console then. All this is doing is fragmenting the audience.
No-one has a concrete idea what anyone is doing at this moment.
zackmorris
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Except the 1070 alone costs around 450 does it not? So if the Scorpio can sell a whole console for let's say 500 , why spend 1000+ on a PC build to get that same performance.
Scorpio is Fall 2017, officially confirmed.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/13/1...-cross-platform-future-phil-spencer-interview
http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/13/1...-cross-platform-future-phil-spencer-interview
It sounds like a 980ti in a box, assuming you can make those kinds of comparisons.
That's the price of that particular card today. When the Scorpio releases, the 1170s will be probably be out.
Netherscourge
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Oh of course. Scorpio will be on VR, I was referring to og Xbox one. The distinction between the hardware besides eye candy is VR gaming on Scorpio but not the One
dr. apocalipsis
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I don't get it.
People can't stop saying this is a mid generation update or even the end of consoles 'generations' paradigm.
There will be a gap of 4 full years between this and Xbox One release, so maybe it will be in the shorter end of the word, I can admit that. But the only real difference I can see here is the full retrocompatibility with both software and accesories, as with PCs.
I know console peasants like to renew all their gear and catalogue, with double and triple dips on certain games remasters, everytime they upgrade their console. But Xbox live and PSN working as Steam, independent of the hardware, is a big win for console gamers.
What I can't understand is some people being mad at being able to select their SKU without losing their investment into software and accesories. I know some PS4 users were happy to rebuy PS3 games remastered one after another, but c'mon. Classical console generations make no sense today and they suck greatly. Not even Apple would dare to make each iPhone incompatible with the prior one.
People can't stop saying this is a mid generation update or even the end of consoles 'generations' paradigm.
There will be a gap of 4 full years between this and Xbox One release, so maybe it will be in the shorter end of the word, I can admit that. But the only real difference I can see here is the full retrocompatibility with both software and accesories, as with PCs.
I know console peasants like to renew all their gear and catalogue, with double and triple dips on certain games remasters, everytime they upgrade their console. But Xbox live and PSN working as Steam, independent of the hardware, is a big win for console gamers.
What I can't understand is some people being mad at being able to select their SKU without losing their investment into software and accesories. I know some PS4 users were happy to rebuy PS3 games remastered one after another, but c'mon. Classical console generations make no sense today and they suck greatly. Not even Apple would dare to make each iPhone incompatible with the prior one.
SneakersSO
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I mean, this is sort of a big gamble on both Sony & MS' part, which is why they went iterative console, instead of launching a new generation. When word of these specs initially got out, so many people thought this would be a new generation. But, as it turns out, its not. For MS, all that power won't mean a thing if they can't push a high adoption rate & quickly. Like i've said before, accounting for all other factors going on in the console global marketshare, MS should be able to sell 8-10 million consoles per year on a new generation. I just don't see Scorpio doing that between holiday 2017 & holiday 2018.
3rd party just isn't in a position, budget wise, where they are ready to take gambles on just supporting the new iteration exclusively. Now, the big difference between the Scorpio & Neo could wind up being that MS will allow 1st/3rd party devs to drop support for X1 at their leisure, where as Sony is mandating that both Neo & PS4 must be supported until they say other wise.
However, I jsut don't see these consoles having the marketing angle to push the level of sales needed to make use of the power going on under the hood in any meaningful way. The closest comparison to this situation that we've ever understood is cross-generation. Unlike typical cross-generation development, these two iterative machines are going to enjoy one more hinderance that typical games haven't, and that is that the gameplay potential of each game will be held back by the min. spec sku. If a game like say Halo 6 launches with native support for Scorpio while still being an X1 title, that means that all of your design for its online components have to adhere to the capabilities of X1. Sure, when you pop it into a Scorpio you'll have far better graphical fidelity, but the gameplay will need to remain the same.
Its a fascinating time, honestly. Looking forward to the next year.
-ImaginaryInsider
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I'm loving the defacto "cancel the Neo" post that pops up every few pages.
E3 is a glorious time of year.
E3 is a glorious time of year.
I'm not really understanding all the "it's Polaris!" "No it's Vega!" discussion. It's a custom SoC. They can use as many shader clusters/RoPs/TMUs/whatever as they see fit.
One month from now it will be the new mid-tier (with comparable GPU performance in the $250 range).
Today it would be significantly more expensive than it will be one month from now.
One month from now it will be the new mid-tier (with comparable GPU performance in the $250 range).
Abinash117
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That is going to be the problem actually. I don't know what the developers would be doing or Microsoft's strategy and I think people should wait and see. It could be that Microsoft is abandoning the One quietly or the Scorpio is suppose compliment the One as well. Major issues is that games being made specifically for the Scorpio will be far superior to the Xbox one version, not in just in terms of graphics, but in terms of features and capabilities.
It would be like how the 360/PS3 games are done, some games where simply inferior to the current gen in every way. Like in some of the COD games; the PS3/360 versions either didn't have some game modes, didn't have a campaign, or have smaller teams. The scenario could play out the same way to the Xbox, unless Microsoft has a mandate. If they still try to sell the One as a current gen console during all that it be very problematic.
On the other hand if the console is not necessarily supposed to be a new gen, but part of the current gen Microsoft will try to mandate it. At that point it will be just modern games with 4k. To some that is completely fine and to others it might be kind of pointless, the market for it would be for hardcore gamers who wants better graphics and people into VR.
I think Microsoft might be doing the project simply because the got harmed on the PR side and it completely hurt the console in sales,especially with 360 owners . I bet many people think that, because of the fact that the One was the weakest console, it did worse. Now the plan is to destroy that idea by having the new Xbox being the strongest, but at that point I wonder if many console gamers will still care. If the new Xbox is part of the One family or it is a completely new Xbox. I think people should what and see what the new name is going to be.
Anyway the announcement like someone said could hurt the sales of the current Xbox, and I guess the XBOS is suppose to help with countering that. In the end the whole thing can end like the WII/WII U scenario.
CaptainSmirnov
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Maybe this was already said but what if neo will be absent today because they are rethinking the specs to better compete with Microsoft?
They are 100% using AMD stuff so that's already off and then you got to remember that a whole new line-up of GPUs will be announced and released before the scorpio is out.
You can't effectively compare TFLOPS across architectures like this, historically Nvidia's cards are significantly more effective at utilizing those flops.
What you can think of is that a 6flop AMD driven console is just over the threshold required to run a current XBone game as-is at 4K, and still under the threshold required to run a PS4 game as-is at 4K.
RowdyReverb
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Because they have 18 months before Scorpio production
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