At the same time the same person that said that, doesn't seem to know about any guidelines to devs. Geoff asked "can they make exclusive Scorpio games?" answer was "it's up to the devs. I guess they can. Let's talk next year, ok?"
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At the same time the same person that said that, doesn't seem to know about any guidelines to devs. Geoff asked "can they make exclusive Scorpio games?" answer was "it's up to the devs. I guess they can. Let's talk next year, ok?"
Not sure how considering Sony has dev kits/documentation out and MS has literally nothing.
The idea that they did this reveal early, and it isn't related to the fact that Neo is coming out soon and they chose to highlight "true 4k experiences" and "premium VR gameplay" is hilarious.
Straight Edge
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She also said that Scorpio only games are up to the developers.
WooHooAlex
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So much for "No one gets left behind"
Dee Dah Dave
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4K games dont make a lick of sense when only ~15% of the market can make use of it.
Then the hardware, as good as it might sound to some, would barely be able to hit 4K. I mean it could, but at the exact same graphics and fidelity the XB1 has now.
All that trouble of making "a monster" console, just to appease the above?
Then the hardware, as good as it might sound to some, would barely be able to hit 4K. I mean it could, but at the exact same graphics and fidelity the XB1 has now.
All that trouble of making "a monster" console, just to appease the above?
Karak
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VR can as there is no VR on Xbox One. So this was already known. But compatibility was already verified by Phil forward and backward and MS.
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Yabberwocky
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I like the way you think! I also like that you've planned for long-term repercussions.
blastprocessor
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Can't see it having a generational difference in visuals if they target 4K.
what if they dont target 4k and just do 1080p i bet it would look pretty great... high quality assets more effects, better IQ, better framerate...
Wishmaster92
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To feed the massive bandwidth of 4K textures
crazepharmacist
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I wonder if Scorpio and Xbox One players will be grouped together in online games if there is a significant framerate divide, say 60 and 30 fps.
Hawk269
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In the following link, which is Phil and Major Nelson talking about the Xbox One Slim, they also talk about the Scorpio.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtFUTiwPcQs
The interesting part in the video is when Phil is talking about Scorpio and how it is targeted to be a 6TF 4k device. He said they wanted that power to make true native 4k games, but that developers can decide amongst themselves what to use those 6tf for.
I don't doubt that we will see games at 4k/30fps, but 4k/60fps will be a bit of a challenge. What I can see is 1440p games down sampled to 1080p/60fps to help improve IQ even more with that much power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtFUTiwPcQs
The interesting part in the video is when Phil is talking about Scorpio and how it is targeted to be a 6TF 4k device. He said they wanted that power to make true native 4k games, but that developers can decide amongst themselves what to use those 6tf for.
I don't doubt that we will see games at 4k/30fps, but 4k/60fps will be a bit of a challenge. What I can see is 1440p games down sampled to 1080p/60fps to help improve IQ even more with that much power.
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Jessie.Bristol
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Definitely not. I expect most developers will target 1080p60 with the equivalent of PC's Ultra settings.
The question is, who would want to do that?
No big AAA pub would want to restrict their consumer base like that.
Outside of MS funding I can't see any of the big ones going for a Scorpio exclusive. And if MS funds it, a lot of their user base still stuck with the Xbone will get mad.
It's a lose lose situation for everybody. I doubt there will be exclusive Scorpio games for a long time.
I'm sorry but what I've read from that conversation is that they don't have the guidelines defined already. You can't seriously believe Microsoft will let devs make what they want in their development ecosystem, especially after saying on the press conference that nobody is left behind.
To me especially considering Shannon saying "let's talk next year, ok?" in the end of that conversation is that MS is still defining what they are going to do in the transition process, which seems to confirm the leaks about this being a reaction to Sony Neo dev kits on the hands of devs.
By the way if anyone believes Microsoft can only inform devs about their plans via their E3 press conference, I don't know what to tell you...
NoPiece
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She was pretty clear that developers were going to have the choice, it didn't sound like she was confused or didn't understand the question. She was specifically saying no to Keighley on all titles working on both consoles.
Karak
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All VR titles.
It actually sounded like not only was she completely confused but also didn't know what she was talking about throughout that whole interview. VR is already known to not be compatible. Then again if MS said forward and backward completely and it turns out to not be. Then we can all laugh.
If you believe the 2 weeks than ya pretty much this.
Well yeah. To be honest I think the biggest casualty of the Scorpio won't be the Neo, but PSVR. MS virtual reality will be way more impressive than Sony's when it finally launches.
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Ah, just as I thought. Scorpio only games (practically) confirmed.
Good. It's a complete waste of hardware otherwise.
Good. It's a complete waste of hardware otherwise.
So fuck the people who bought an xbox one eh ?
Obscuritas
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Yeaaah, I don't see a lot of publisher/developers totally jump on the scorpio ship leaving behind the 80+ millions of PS4/X1s users.
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Coolade
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Phil Spencer discusses the new Xbox
He doubled down and said "native 4k frame buffer" I'm not technical enough to know what that means.
Officerrob
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Well at this point they bought an Xbox One, so they are already kinda fucked.
I bought an Xbox One 
IcyRhythms
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I'm guessing this has been asked a bunch of times, but does any of this really matter unless they ramp up the CPU power considerably?
Jessie.Bristol
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It will probably be up to devs whether they choose to make Scorpio only titles. Though I don't expect many to go down that route until a year or so in (when it has sold enough units). Microsoft may continue to support both platforms throughout Scorpio's life.
doesnt that literally mean that Scorpio is "next-gen" according to MS?
Yeah, even if Sony does Neo only VR titles, their headset (while good) just can't compare to the Rift.
Karak
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Render to that resolution without upscaling at whatever settings need to hit to get to it.
Yep.....sounds like that have no model in place here... Scorpio is the wild west of PC gaming inna tidy box under yr TV.
It's pretty much just a pre made windows game box. Ms have exited the console race
Pathfinder
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There's no written guarantee on how long a console has to be supported.
Microsoft wants to move on. All your current Xbox One games and accessories will work.
Dee Dah Dave
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No. Did the OG Xbox people get "fucked"?
Besides, I doubt its mass scale. Probably more of a mix of exclusive / cross compat games.
Depends on the adoption rate I guess.
NoPiece
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All VR titles.
It actually sounded like not only was she completely confused but also didn't know what she was talking about throughout that whole interview. VR is already known to not be compatible. Then again if MS said forward and backward completely and it turns out to not be. Then we can all laugh.
I think she was very carefully parsing her words. She said all games being made right now will be forward and backwards compatible. Then when pressed on whether there will be any games that will be Scorpio only, she then backpedaled and said it was up to the game development community. Based on that I'd bet on forward/backwards compatible titles at launch, but Scorpio only titles soon after (not including VR).
Sounds more like they are fully going iPhone model - continual incremental upgrades and some software will work, and some software will require new hardware.
There aren't 1440p TV's so you won't see the extra pixel information. However downsampling (i.e. rendering at a higher internal resolution than the display) is one of the best, if most expensive, ways to eliminate jaggies and generally improve image quality. However, I doubt we see many games rendering at 1440. It will probably be 1080 with better asset quality or 4K.
THE:MILKMAN
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I really don't understand what is going on between Microsoft announcing 18 months out and indicating Scorpio could have exclusive games plus Sony rushing devs to make games compatible.
Are they both losing the plot? Is there a third party in the shadows that has spooked them?
Are they both losing the plot? Is there a third party in the shadows that has spooked them?
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