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[Pandy]

I don't know about that. Most of my friends (ages 20-24) who voted Yes because of nationalism/fuck Westminster etc seem to want to Vote Leave because "why should we be part of the UK and the EU I want Independence!". Yes they are wrong and misinformed but how widespread is this feeling? IMO the SNP haven't done a good job in explaining this to their supporters - being an Independent country within the common market.

If you actually read the quotes in articles, the SNP have been very clear, but the headlines have mostly been twisted out of all proportion with the facts. Such is the current standard of Scottish journalism.

In fairness, there must be a fair number of 'Yes' voters that will have been happy with the threatened idea that leaving the UK would mean getting kicked out of the EU, so it's not a big surprise there is overlap with 'Leave.'

 

[ittoryu]

Hmm... I'm supposed to have got a polling card? Neither my missus or I have got one, but we voted in the recent local elections.

Your name should be on the list at the polling station. It should be fine.

 

[milanbaros]

What's your guys bar for "not close"? Over 5% margin? 10%?

I expect remain percentage to be >5% greater than leave.

 

[Jimbob Smalls]

Revisionist history much? When was there economic consensus that joining the Euro was a good thing? It was macro 101 taught even at GCSE level that says single currency without transfer payments would be a disaster waiting to happen.

I was a teenager during the debate. Remember it well.

Was discussing it with the old man the other day.

 

[Hasney]

Hmm... I'm supposed to have got a polling card? Neither my missus or I have got one, but we voted in the recent local elections.

Just show up to your polling station and you should be fine. http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions/voting-in-person

I'm amazed every company on the planet isn't set up in the EU the way some talk about how amazing it is.

There's obviously different benefits to different companies. A lot of them are set up in the EU via being setup in the UK and being part of the EU is a big part of that.

 

[Psychotext]

Your name should be on the list at the polling station. It should be fine.

I really hope so, I'd be far more pissed off about not having my vote counted for this than I would be for a normal election.

 

[iFirez]

How long do people usually have to wait before voting? (ie. queues...etc) I'm going tomorrow morning at around 9am and I have a shit ton of stuff to do before 10:30 when I'm catching a train.

 

[Plum]

Finished my A levels today and I'm voting for the first time in my life tomorrow. Don't know if I can handle this many life-changing events at once. Definitely for remain, but if you saw the area I live in (rural-ish Wiltshire) you'd think I was a die hard Ukipper. I've seen about 10 leave posters in my small town alone.

 

[pbsapeer]

A lot of people in their 50s comment to me about how "I'm too young to remember the country before the EU" and how "voting to remain is naive"

Uhmmmm please explain to me how your 6 year old self enjoyed being out of the EU

 

[ittoryu]

I really hope so, I'd be far more pissed off about not having my vote counted for this than I would be for a normal election.

My wife recently got a British passport and the council didn't send her the polling card, but told her that her name is on the list.

 

[theaface]

How long do people usually have to wait before voting? (ie. queues...etc) I'm going tomorrow morning at around 9am and I have a shit ton of stuff to do before 10:30 when I'm catching a train.

From my experience? No time at all. There are polling stations seemingly everywhere spreading the voters out and a large window of time in which to vote. You'll be fine.

 

[Walshicus]

I was a teenager during the debate. Remember it well.

Was discussing it with the old man the other day.

You know the funny thing? Had we joined we'd probably be richer instead of Germany and the rest of Northern Europe hogging all the benefits.

 

[danowat]

How long do people usually have to wait before voting? (ie. queues...etc) I'm going tomorrow morning at around 9am and I have a shit ton of stuff to do before 10:30 when I'm catching a train.

I've never, in 25 years, had to queue at a polling station.

 

[Hasney]

How long do people usually have to wait before voting? (ie. queues...etc) I'm going tomorrow morning at around 9am and I have a shit ton of stuff to do before 10:30 when I'm catching a train.

I've never, in 25 years, had to queue at a polling station.

Same. Although I'm there at 7am usually. The queues get longer the later you leave it so 9 should be fine, earlier would be better if you can.

 

[PJV3]

I never thought I'd live to see the day that the Tories put the city at risk, Scargill may get the last laugh after all.

 

[GoldenCrow]

Err what? France/Germany tried to force euro-clearing to be in Paris/Frankfurt and the ECJ ruled against them. Both want to bolster Paris/Frankfurt. The UK has managed to win quite a few battles on this and on financial services regulation (rightly or wrongly).

Buy-side is looking at options in Geneva. Several clients over past few weeks let that slip to me. So I do expect the shadow banking system to move in unison with the sell-side.

All international business have the money where it is likely to be most stable and where it has the more favourable regulations, when it comes to clearing the UK makes the most sense due to the protection of the pound and business regulations. Leave would totally fuck this up, rest of London and pretty much every other UK city.

 

[JonathanEx]

Jeremy Vine gets interviewed by my friend Tim about the BBC coverage and their analysis and timings: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07fl29k#playt=01h35m56s

 

[Beefy]

Was walking in town and guess who was walking on the other side of the road...

Spoiler

Gove

 

[GoldenCrow]

Was walking in town and guess who was walking on the other side of the road...

Spoiler

Gove

You poor poor man.

 

[Orbis]

What's your guys bar for "not close"? Over 5% margin? 10%?

I'd say about 4%. So a result of 54% vs 46% feels like 'not close' to me. For reference that would be about 1.9 million votes margin if we use the electorate size of 2015 and a 66% turnout like 2015 GE.

Edit: Ignore me, I mistyped XD

 

[Huw_Dawson]

Experts, lots and lots of them said not joining the Euro would be disastrous for us citing similar economic doom scenarios.

We boomed.

Experts stopped talking.

[1]citation needed

For me a non-close vote would be about 6%. 54% to 46% on a high turnout would be pretty damning for the losing side.

 

[Juicy Bob]

Was walking in town and guess who was walking on the other side of the road...

Spoiler

Gove

I really wish you had given that cunt what he deserved on behalf of us all...

...like muttering something rude under your breath in his general direction and then running away.

 

[danowat]

I really wish you had given that cunt what he deserved on behalf of us all...

...like muttering something rude under your breath in his general direction and then running away.

Shouting wanker and legging it would have been appropriate.

 

[MaxHouse]

As an American, I don't really have much stake in this.....but I do want to ask a question to the people that want to remain


don't you feel that remaining is causing British culture to cease into this European superstate or superculture.....? I mean isn't that a worry?

 

[Mr Cola]

I really wish you had given that cunt what he deserved on behalf of us all...

...like muttering something rude under your breath in his general direction and then running away.

The English drive by

 

[Hasney]

I really wish you had given that cunt what he deserved on behalf of us all...

...like muttering something rude under your breath in his general direction and then running away.

"Alright Govey, someone on the internet saw you in their toast today! What do you think that means?"

 

[Pandy]

Yeah, still not seeing racism though.

The EU is not a race. It's a government body. What an amusingly odd interpretation.

If you had accused his speech of being contemptuous of the EU as a bureaucracy, you would be correct. Nothing racist there.

Racist/xenophobic/anti-European/pro-Anglo-Saxon, whatever term you prefer.
The 'Heart' bit of the speech was very short and while pretending to be positive was essentially just setting up 'us' and 'them'. It's obviously by far NOT the worst thing we've seen in this campaign, and it wasn't the worst thing in his speech (I'd give that to the 'democracy' bits), but it still made my skin crawl.

 

[avaya]

As an American, I don't really have much stake in this.....but I do want to ask a question to the people that want to remain


don't you feel that remaining is causing British culture to cease into this European superstate or superculture.....? I mean isn't that a worry?

British culture is actually becoming more American.

 

[danowat]

As an American, I don't really have much stake in this.....but I do want to ask a question to the people that want to remain


don't you feel that remaining is causing British culture to cease into this European superstate or superculture.....? I mean isn't that a worry?

No and no

 

[Bold One]

As an American, I don't really have much stake in this.....but I do want to ask a question to the people that want to remain


don't you feel that remaining is causing British culture to cease into this European superstate or superculture.....? I mean isn't that a worry?

what do you think "British Culture" is?

 

[MaxHouse]

No and no

why not?

 

[danowat]

why not?

Define 'British culture' from an outsiders perspective.

 

[PJV3]

I really wish you had given that cunt what he deserved on behalf of us all...

...like muttering something rude under your breath in his general direction and then running away.

The man who broke Britain, oh well if all goes pear shaped he probably has to leave the country for a long time.

 

[Walshicus]

Jeremy Vine gets interviewed by my friend Tim about the BBC coverage and their analysis and timings: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07fl29k#playt=01h35m56s

Hah, won't play in html5...

 

[Hasney]

As an American, I don't really have much stake in this.....but I do want to ask a question to the people that want to remain


don't you feel that remaining is causing British culture to cease into this European superstate or superculture.....? I mean isn't that a worry?

Wouldn't you say that the people of Alabama and the people of New York have very different cultures?

 

[Kabouter]

As an American, I don't really have much stake in this.....but I do want to ask a question to the people that want to remain


don't you feel that remaining is causing British culture to cease into this European superstate or superculture.....? I mean isn't that a worry?

I think you'll find America is Americanising almost the entire continent to varying degrees.

 

[Beefy]

Shouting wanker and legging it would have been appropriate.

I was badly tempted to do the first part. Ha

 

[Moosichu]

As an American, I don't really have much stake in this.....but I do want to ask a question to the people that want to remain


don't you feel that remaining is causing British culture to cease into this European superstate or superculture.....? I mean isn't that a worry?

??? Culture isn't and never has been constant.

What do you mean by superculture? There is not really such a thing. I'm confused as to what you think we should be worrying about.

 

[SuperSah]

Why? What changed your mind?

Well, the comment that we'll be getting no renegotiations end of is a bit middling. Remain was enticing for possibility of renegotiating, but since that is seemingly off the cards then why not try to change it ourselves?

I have a lot more reasons for it, but I'm out and typing on my phone is annoying, but that comment has certainly pushed me.

 

[MaxHouse]

Define 'British culture' from an outsiders perspective.

so you don't think Britain has a culture?

or are European countries not allowed to have cultures?

 

[theaface]

As an American, I don't really have much stake in this.....but I do want to ask a question to the people that want to remain


don't you feel that remaining is causing British culture to cease into this European superstate or superculture.....? I mean isn't that a worry?

What does European super-culture look/sound like? One of the things that makes the continent so great is how completely different it is depending on where you go. As someone rightly pointed out, if anything, we're slowly becoming more American culture-wise.

 

[Walshicus]

Well, the comment that we'll be getting no renegotiations end of is a bit middling. Remain was enticing for possibility of renegotiating, but since that is seemingly off the cards then why not try to change it ourselves?

I have a lot more reasons for it, but I'm out and typing on my phone is annoying, but that comment has certainly pushed me.

What do you actually want renegotiated?

 

[Kabouter]

What does European super-culture look/sound like? One of the things that makes the continent so great is how completely different it is depending on where you go. As someone rightly pointed out, if anything, we're slowly becoming more American culture-wise.

Funnily enough, the EU has done more to support regional cultures and languages (like Twents) within NL than the Dutch government ever did.

 

[Juicy Bob]

As an American, I don't really have much stake in this.....but I do want to ask a question to the people that want to remain


don't you feel that remaining is causing British culture to cease into this European superstate or superculture.....? I mean isn't that a worry?

What is 'British culture'?

Seriously. I'm not even joking. The culture varies massively between different parts of just England alone, and that's before taking Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland into account.

We are diverse as fuck. There are certain things that most of us have in common, yes, but there's a massive difference in people's experience of being 'British' up and down the country.

The one thing that totally unites us should be things like rights under the law and the values of democracy, fairness, kindness - not just things like what sport or music or TV we like or whether we keep to traditions that people lived by hundreds of years ago.

 

[Bold One]

so you don't think Britain has a culture?

or are European countries not allowed to have cultures?

Dont answer a question with a question,

first explain what you mean by British Culture and we can move on from there

 

[Moosichu]

so you don't think Britain has a culture?

or are European countries not allowed to have cultures?

What are you on about? Yes, of course they do. We are asking for your opinion because nothing your saying is making any sense. We are trying to work out where you are coming from on this.

 

[danowat]

so you don't think Britain has a culture?

or are European countries not allowed to have cultures?

I do, I'm interested in knowing how others perceive it.

British culture has been shaped by other cultures for centuries, one of our national dishes is curry.

 

[Ravensmash]

why not?

I heard someone raise a similar point earlier.

Are the French any less French because they're in the EU? Do we consider them less so?

Are the Germans less German?

Of course not.

 

[jufonuk]

As an American, I don't really have much stake in this.....but I do want to ask a question to the people that want to remain


don't you feel that remaining is causing British culture to cease into this European superstate or superculture.....? I mean isn't that a worry?

you wot m8?

I don't think British culture will be destroyed in the EU.. some do so they want to leave.

 

[theaface]

Well, the comment that we'll be getting no renegotiations end of is a bit middling. Remain was enticing for possibility of renegotiating, but since that is seemingly off the cards then why not try to change it ourselves?

I have a lot more reasons for it, but I'm out and typing on my phone is annoying, but that comment has certainly pushed me.

Further back in this thread those comments were shown to have been exaggerated grossly. That said, I don't think we will get magical reform if we remain. We already have more favourable terms than most other countries in the EU. Even so, I'd bet my house on the likelihood that if we left and went to negotiate NEW trade agreements with the EU bloc these would almost certainly be on less favourable terms than we currently enjoy.