Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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CyclopsRock
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The lads who usually sit around on the Percy Square roundabout near Clerkenwell smoking weed have been replaced by a single girl smoking weed. They must all be out voting!
Also I wore my spurs shirt to the polling station and the guy in there looked at me like I'm a piece of shit. Obviously, obviously an Arsenal fan. He's probably worried I'll vote Leave just to fuck over their thirsty gang of foreign mercenaries (how the fuck is Giroud going to get a work permit?!) Whilst we have our beautiful English Lions at the spine of our team. He needn't have worried. Anything that threatens Wenger's position is not something I'll willingly countenance.
OK, really though, there are lots of people walking around Clerkenwell with I'm In stickers.
Also I wore my spurs shirt to the polling station and the guy in there looked at me like I'm a piece of shit. Obviously, obviously an Arsenal fan. He's probably worried I'll vote Leave just to fuck over their thirsty gang of foreign mercenaries (how the fuck is Giroud going to get a work permit?!) Whilst we have our beautiful English Lions at the spine of our team. He needn't have worried. Anything that threatens Wenger's position is not something I'll willingly countenance.
OK, really though, there are lots of people walking around Clerkenwell with I'm In stickers.
B'ohh!
I hope it's not Liverpool because EU funding has revitalised this city.
BossDarkseid
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This isn't a blanket statement but quite a few people are oblivious to the fact most/all MEPs are democratically elected.
MassiveNights
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The European Commission is unelected.
There is also a European Parliament which is voted for.
Funnily enough a lot of Leavers don't have a problem with the House Of Lords which is way more unaccountable than anything the EU has to offer.
Boris knows exactly what he is doing. And if leave loses, he can simply fob it off with a "ah well we tried our best" and move on.
The thing is with Boris, I feel he uses the same tactics Louis Theroux relies on to bring people's guards down. It's a character.
It's a mixture of not knowing MEPs are elected, and a strange belief that we should vote for the President directly, even though we don't do that with our own Prime Minister.
Bananajama
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I despise UKIP for what they do in the EU.
Campaign for European elections - win seats
Then don't turn up to votes in matters which could benefit the UK.
They're a parasite to the system and a threat to the UK's well being.
Macho Madness
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Not exactly tanks but that is how the US acquired California in the first place.
Also secession would likely be in violation of the 14th amendment to the constitution.
The EU does not own the countries it governs.
Are you seriously asking if the US would take military action to prevent a state ceding from the union?
You might be right. I guess I'd always assumed given how we've historically pushed hard against the EU in terms of trying to get a better deal, that the general feeling in Europe is that we're more trouble than we're worth.
For what it's worth I've never considered myself a Euro-sceptic, but right now I want to be part of a unified Europe more than I've ever wanted in the past. Hopefully we'll vote remain (and the numbers aren't close) and we can start to do that.
CyclopsRock
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A) there is more to democracy than elections b) there's more to the EU than the parliament c) Most people couldn't name a single MEP from any party or country. Whether willingly or not, it's not hard (or unreasonable) to see how people might not feel like the EU power brokers are going to be good at representing their interests (and THAT'S what democracy is about - elections are just a method of hopefully obtaining that).
jufonuk
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The Tories will get there's I'm just seeing the bigger picture
Edit what if the vote is 50/50
QuicheFontaine
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You've got to wait for them to actually leave and set up their new country. Sending the tanks in during the vote would seem to be a clear violation of Posse Comitatus, right?
If anyone wants to kill some time, IPSOS do a quiz where you can see how accurate your perceptions of the EU are:
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/newseven...much-do-EU-know-about-the-European-Union.aspx
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/newseven...much-do-EU-know-about-the-European-Union.aspx
So for the whole "We didn't vote for those who make EU laws", what is the truth to that? We did in fact vote for our representatives to "making these laws".
Showing my lack of knowledge in how the EU actually works.
Macho Madness
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This is probably accurate. Though I can't imagine A. This ballot measure being approved and B. California actually voting for it. I know it's a rhetorical argument but I find California to be a poor example.
Texas is much more likely. (But yes, if they actually did vote for it, the US federal government would take action to protect the union)
Spurs are yet to finish above an Arsenal managed by Arsene Wenger. This is somehow the most spurious logic in this thread.
We might be getting off-topic.
phisheep
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It doesn't exactly help that they are elected on a party list system, so there's no actual incentive to find out who they are.
MassiveNights
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The Commission acts a bit like the cabinet of a UK government in proposing legislation.
Everything has to be passed by the directly elected Parliament.
The Commission itself is also approved by the elected parliament.
I don't understand this part of it. They've both campaigned for a side in a hotly contested public vote. Why should it reflect badly on whoever backed the side that ultimately lost (but was still supported by a huge portion of the country)?
CyclopsRock
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The EU parliament can't propose legislation, only approve it. So in that sense they don't "make the laws". Furthermore there's the fact that, as MEPs are divvied up based on population rather than the UK simply having all of them, it's entirely possible that all the UK MEPs could vote against something and it still pass and have effect in the UK. This is the nature of legislative chambers but it also means that we aren't in a position to actually vote against what we feel are bad decisions, as long as France, Germany, Spain, Poland etc think they're a good thing. This is a largely hypothetical worry but it's none the less the case.
CyclopsRock
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Aah, but look at the trends! They used to compete, they used to contend! We used to come 14th! The times they are a changin' and I don't wanna rock the boat!
Thanks for the clarification (and to all others).
It's just I'd seen a Facebook post describing the EU as essentially a dictatorship and it was the final straw as I felt like that had to be bullshit, there was no way we didn't at least indirectly vote for seats in the EU.
giant_frying_pan
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Ahh the mystery and wonder that is party politics!
milanbaros
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Thought I would do a sort of hourly update on what the markets (FTSE, Sterling and Betfair) are doing, and whether it suggests one side is pulling ahead.
At at 0921:
FTSE 100 - 6,291 (up 0.5%)
£ - USD 1.477
Betfair - 1.28 (or 78% probability of remain)
I will update later to see where the market is moving. So far the market seems confident in a remain win.
At at 0921:
FTSE 100 - 6,291 (up 0.5%)
£ - USD 1.477
Betfair - 1.28 (or 78% probability of remain)
I will update later to see where the market is moving. So far the market seems confident in a remain win.
Reminder that the last poll is coming in at 10am from IPSOS MORI.
Thank you for this
Thank you for this
I have come to the conclusion today that what we need is a strong win for either side... whether both sides argue it or not a 1% is not going to be seen as legitimate by either side and it just means that the next election will be fought based on the same 'referendum' platform
A close vote will literally means years of arguments.... so remain or leave, needs to hit 55/45 ideally
A close vote will literally means years of arguments.... so remain or leave, needs to hit 55/45 ideally
phisheep
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Ah, but if Spurs decided to secede from the undemocratic Premier League they would be Top in the one-team league they just set up. And they would be able to negotiate fixtures all on their own just as good as if they were in the PL. #MakeSpursGreatAgain
PipefishUK
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That's normal - the polling station people always look at me funny. They make me feel like I've done something wrong and I'm in trouble.
To be fair, anyone who's that bad at choosing a decent football team can't be trusted with the country's future
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Buzzfeed has a good round up of all the arguments. https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/are-eu-telling-porkies?utm_term=.ch8eOPLk3a#.df8lELrGQa
I'm sick to fucking death of seeing IN and OUT flyers on the floor.
They complain about fag butts and rubbish being a £80 quid fine.
Well those fuckers with the flyers should be in the region of abouut £8k each at this rate.
After today I'll be glad this is over and it'll be all done with.
If you're that worried about a "funny look" postal vote. In any case they can fuck off, they're no-one important just the nosey fucker at the 24
They complain about fag butts and rubbish being a £80 quid fine.
Well those fuckers with the flyers should be in the region of abouut £8k each at this rate.
After today I'll be glad this is over and it'll be all done with.
If you're that worried about a "funny look" postal vote. In any case they can fuck off, they're no-one important just the nosey fucker at the 24
You were the dude saying this was your first time earlier in the thread, right? Congrats!
milanbaros
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Have you voted before? That is pretty much my experience every time.
Sounds pretty standard.
kavanf1
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I'm up in Scotland, and spend a lot of time in the North East. A huge number of jobs in Scotland and the North are a direct result of London being a major economic centre. Hell, the entire financial services industry in Glasgow and Edinburgh only exists because it's much cheaper than London but has the advantage of being in the same time zone, same currency, etc.
Believing that London exists in a bubble and that what happens there has no impact on the rest of the UK is simply naïve. If things go south in the event of a Leave result, they will quite literally go south, and the north will feel the effects harder and sooner than anyone.
Norwegian_Imposter
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The issue I have is the fact that if you need trade with EU you need to accept the free movement of labor. Its just the way it will be, unless we try to be like the US but I do not think EU will do that in my opinion
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Sorry 
On topic, will be voting after work today. It's quite annoying how many people I know who want us to stay in but won't actually be voting.
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Sorry
On topic, will be voting after work today. It's quite annoying how many people I know who want us to stay in but won't actually be voting.
Hahahaha amazing
It's certainly looking good, I'm cautiously optimistic.
Birthright citizenship means that any person borne in the country is a citizen (like the USA). We don't have that - one of the parents must be a national, or you must have lived here for at least a year. That's hugely different than birth tourism granting child benefits which is what you were talking about.
I don't have any issues with someone whose lived here for a year getting child benefits - that seems logical and right? I'm also willing to bet that like NHS tourism, it's a tiny, tiny number of people.
Star Falcon
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The web page guided me to the wrong polling station 
its like they dont want people to vote by making their FAQ pages as unhelpful as possible...
its like they dont want people to vote by making their FAQ pages as unhelpful as possible...
CoolZombie
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This is complete tosh, sorry but it is.
That can only be reflecting what last nights polls showed. There is absolutely no data in the field right now that would give you an indication of the result - even if exit polls were already running, we know that statistically the data at this time is worthless.
We won't have useful exit polling indication till late afternoon realistically.
Little Old Man
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The Merseyside region would be one of the biggest losers in the event of a leave vote. The EU had poured money into the area over the last couple of decades, after classifying it as one of the poorest regions (relatively) in the EU. Funding that no Tory government would match completely out of its own pocket/net savings from contributions to the EU budget.
The same goes for parts of Wales and the North East.
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