The 2010 NFL Offseason |OT| Take Off Your Underwear and Put Your Face On People

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Anerythristic said:
This is an old post but I'll answer. Alot of people projected Odrick as the best 3-4 defensive end in the draft. Issue is we needed a nose tackle, if they use him correctly he is a great pick up and perfedt for a 3-4 set. I'm worried they will force him to the middle...probably will.

I was hoping Williams would be there - but I still think Miami was planning on taking the NT from UNC (Cam Thomas) all along. But I think he'll be there in the 3rd and 4th and apparently Sparano, Parcells and Ireland love him.

Plus, I think Odrick is an upgrade over Langford who has yet to deliver as expected and also Merling. He should add to a nice rotation with Starks (great year last year), McDaniel and Merling.
 
eznark said:
Schefter is the new Mort after that manufactured "please watch our prime time draft inrime time, airing in prime time with great prime time coverage" bullshit Rapistburger trade rumor.

Peter King was on the radio a bit ago and basically said the whole thing was made up as far as he is concerned.
But it's Peter King.
 
Q: McClain has been described as having perhaps the highest football IQ at the combine in terms of film, prep, etc. Is that your assessment?

Cable: It is. There’s two qualities that jumped out to me about him every time. When I investigated him and knew some people around him, he really came back to us as a coach on the field. He was a guy that got everybody in watching film, got guys to go get a laptop and have the film guys put some film on your laptop, put a DVD in, watch it, study. He’s a guy that controlled the entire defense, made the call, adjusted, never came off the field. So I think all those reports were accurate. I was able to hear some of it first-hand which is great. You put a champion in the organization. I think that’s the important thing.
Mmmm... yeah. What a welcome change.

Q: What do you do with Kirk Morrison now?

Cable: I think all it does is give us depth now at linebacking. We’re putting this together to have that kind of depth, to have those quality players. We’ll see what the next week or so brings us.
Translation: laters, Kirk. :(

Cable: There’s some things that I think will be new for us as a football team, but we’re a 4-3 team in terms of our base structure.
Translation: no, seriously, don't let the door hit you on the way out...

Q: Any talks with Steelers about Roethlisberger?

Cable: No. There’s been no truth about that. And while I’m at it, however that Darren McFadden thing came out that’s ridiculous. Because there’s no way. I don’t know how it came out, I don’t get it, I don’t understand it, but there’s no way Darren McFadden was ever going to be traded from this football team. So no and no.
Duh. Told you guys!

Q: What are your priorities from this point on?

Cable: Well, you know, I really don’t want to go specific that way; I think I pretty much told you – address the line of scrimmage and at the same time we needed a defensive back, we need to do some work in the backfield. So that pretty much sums it up.
Nice.

...And of course they ask about the 40 time. That joke has gotten out of hand. It's only for WRs/DBs. He doesn't care about the 40 of any other position.
 
Not as if it's surprising but Osi is unhappy about the Pierre-Paul pick and thinks he'll be traded (DUH).

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...04-23_source_unhappy_osi_thinks_hes_gone.html

According to a source close to the disgruntled defensive end, Umenyiora wasn't happy when the Giants drafted South Florida defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul with the 15th overall pick Thursday night, and he took it as a sign that he's likely to be traded. The source said the 28-year-old doesn't understand how the Giants plan to use so many players at one position and believes he'll be traded before camp begins.

Of course, Giants GM Jerry Reese insisted Thursday night that "We're not trading Osi" and both he and Tom Coughlin said they believed they'd have no problems with their current logjam at defensive end. Coughlin even called it a good problem to have and fired a warning shot across Umenyiora's bow when asked about how he'd balance his crowded end rotation.

"Everybody has a chance to play," Coughlin said. "Let's go back to what we did a couple of years ago when we didn't do a whole lot of talking. We played."


Rorschach said:
Translation: laters, Kirk. :(
I don't see how the Giants don't take a look.
 
hiryu2015 said:
has anyone heard from Tom Jackson this morning? is he alright?

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:lol :lol :lol
 
jergrah said:
I was hoping Williams would be there - but I still think Miami was planning on taking the NT from UNC (Cam Thomas) all along. But I think he'll be there in the 3rd and 4th and apparently Sparano, Parcells and Ireland love him.

Plus, I think Odrick is an upgrade over Langford who has yet to deliver as expected and also Merling. He should add to a nice rotation with Starks (great year last year), McDaniel and Merling.

I was hoping he would be there as well. I was surprised by Arizonas pick, as were alot of people. It was really just a best available/value pick by the Cards.

The guy we got is no slouch though, I am really starting to warm to him.
 
Slo said:
I didn't know who the odd man out was, but I was really confused by the Giants pick. They're already loaded at DE.
On the surface we are but you have to look at the current situation a bit more closely. We're either going to lose Osi or Kiwanuka. Osi's unhappy about being benched and Kiwi isn't exactly thrilled with the possibility of sitting behind him for another year if Osi does in fact get his starting job back. Kiwi is also in the last year of his contract. So if he does sit for another season, he's going to move on.

When you look at it like that, picking DE made sense. With one scenario, Osi gets traded and Kiwi moves into the starting lineup. Pierre-Paul would likely take some snaps in that rotation while he develops. On the flip side, Osi gets his starting job back and has a monster year while Kiwi and Pierre-Paul take rotational snaps or Kiwi gets moved inside or to OLB type of position. We lose Kiwi the next year.

Whether Pierre-Paul was the right guy is arguable. I said it earlier, he's high risk but possibly high reward. I'm not going to go on a hate rant about the pick because I know the Giants are an organization that puts a premium on pass rushers and CAN make something out of the kid.
 
LJ11 said:
Why can't they go with Howard, Morrison, McClain until Morrison hits FA?
They added Wimbley, they want to make Scott a full time LB, and they also have Brown waiting in the wings after he played hard for them last season (until he got injured). They've wanted Morrison out for a while now blaming him for the lack of run defense. It's not his fault IMO, but whatchagonnado? :\

Imagine the damage I could do with Howard, Morrison, McClain, and Wimbley. :( All I'd need to do is pick up Shaun Rogers from Striker and I'd destroy!
 
They're moving Scott to LB too? Who's going to play DL? Sounds like they're making the transition to a 1-5-5. :lol

Edit: Your Raiders are going to screw the Bills out of a LT today, I can feel it.
 
That's the one downside I'm worried for McClain. That it's another mistake pick on the Raider's part. He really needs to be in a 3-4, I'm just not 100% sure on his ability to be the MLB in a 4-3.

But I would say, his best ability, BY FAR, is the leadership, QB-of-the-Defense, mental aspect of football. That on top of a great physical attributes is a great package.

Rorschach said:
They added Wimbley, they want to make Scott a full time LB, and they also have Brown waiting in the wings after he played hard for them last season (until he got injured). They've wanted Morrison out for a while now blaming him for the lack of run defense. It's not his fault IMO, but whatchagonnado? :\

Imagine the damage I could do with Howard, Morrison, McClain, and Wimbley. :( All I'd need to do is pick up Shaun Rogers from Striker and I'd destroy!

I'll trade you Mayo and Wilfork for McClain and someone else that I don't have a clue for right now.
 
Rivals.com said:
Sergio Kindle-LB- Player Apr. 23 - 12:43 am et
Rumors are circulating that Texas DE/OLB Sergio Kindle's stock fell Thursday night because of microfracture surgery.The information is available in an article on Rivals.com, behind a pay wall, but can be accessed with a seven-day free trial. Kindle did have knee surgery prior to the 2008 season, so a microfracture follow-up procedure would be a serious red flag. The source here isn't the most reliable, but it's definitely a possible explanation for Kindle's fall out of the first round.

Well that would explain the reason this guy is dropping.
 
LJ11 said:
They're moving Scott to LB too? Who's going to play DL? Sounds like they're making the transition to a 1-5-5. :lol

Edit: Your Raiders are going to screw the Bills out of a LT today, I can feel it.
Nah, he keeps repeating they are 4-3. I have no idea what they're doing. DL is going to be Seymour - Joseph - Kelly - Shaughnessy. The're real high on Shaughnessey, but the inside of that line is fucking cheddar. They better pick up a DT.

Btw- I think they're going RG if anything. They're not ready to give up on Henderson yet and they brought in some old ass RTs. Either RT or RG. Other than that, I expect CB or DT.

Lonestar said:
I'll trade you Mayo and Wilfork for McClain and someone else that I don't have a clue for right now.
How big is your love?!
 
Rorschach said:
Nah, he keeps repeating they are 4-3. I have no idea what they're doing. DL is going to be Seymour - Joseph - Kelly - Shaughnessy. The're real high on Shaughnessey, but the inside of that line is fucking cheddar. They better pick up a DT.

Btw- I think they're going RG if anything. They're not ready to give up on Henderson yet and they brought in some old ass RTs. Either RT or RG. Other than that, I expect CB or DT.


How big is your love?!

I wish that the NCAA would change it's rules and force players to stay for a minimum of 12 years. I wish that McClain could graduate as a 8th year Senior.

He's up there with Shaun in the Lonestar Chamber of Football Hall of Incessantly Absurd ManCrush.

I'm absurd that those scummy bastards at the Patriots didn't tank last season, to put them in position to pick up McClain.

They should have given the Raiders Brady AND Giselle.
 
Lonestar said:
I wish that the NCAA would change it's rules and force players to stay for a minimum of 12 years. I wish that McClain could graduate as a 8th year Senior.

He's up there with Shaun in the Lonestar Chamber of Football Hall of Incessantly Absurd ManCrush.

I'm absurd that those scummy bastards at the Patriots didn't tank last season, to put them in position to pick up McClain.

They should have given the Raiders Brady AND Giselle.
I'll give you McClain for Brady, Wilfork, Mayo, and Moss. I only add Brady so I can bench him into retirement.
 
I think Denver should send Tebow and McDaniels to Oakland. We'll take...uhm....hmm...

Todd Marinovich.
 
Rorschach said:
They've wanted Morrison out for a while now blaming him for the lack of run defense. It's not his fault IMO, but whatchagonnado? :\
Apparently Oakland wants a fairly late round pick for him. With his stock dropping after the Mcclain pickup, I'm curious how low they would go to get rid of him? If the Giants can pick him up for bread crumbs (5th or 6th round pick), I would be quite happy with that.
 
Futurevoid said:
Apparently Oakland wants a fairly late round pick for him. With his stock dropping after the Mcclain pickup, I'm curious how low they would go to get rid of him? If the Giants can pick him up for bread crumbs (5th or 6th round pick), I would be quite happy with that.
They initially just wanted a third, which I think is really good value already. I think they'd probably let him go for a 4th+ now. If not, teams will just wait 'till they outright cut him. :\
 
Will my raiders go for Tay Cody Taylor Mays or will we pick up an OT.... or God forbid jimmy Claussen?



Edit: Dunno why i made that mistake.. old age maybe.
 
sooperkool said:
Will my raiders go for Tay Cody or will we pick up an OT.... or God forbid jimmy Claussen?

Your Raiders will play a 4-3 Defense next year and draft Terrance Cody.

And May's going to fall to at least 50, just so Pete Carroll can break his heart one more time.
 
Day 2 LB wishlist:

Sean Lee
Donald Butler
Brandon Spikes
Pat Angerer
Jamar Chaney

I'd be cool with them in that order. I really want Don Butler.

It's rounds 2/3 today right? I won't be here for the lols unfortunately. Thanks Denver for providing enough lol for the entire draft.
 
jakncoke said:
I really wish the draft would start earlier today. And what's up with the last day always having to start at like 10 am

Earlier? 3PM for the West Coast is already some bullshit
 
sooperkool said:
Will my raiders go for Tay Cody Taylor Mays or will we pick up an OT.... or God forbid jimmy Claussen?



Edit: Dunno why i made that mistake.. old age maybe.
They won't take Claussen or Mays. Claussen isn't really the Davis type. And word has it that teams are trading up into the early picks to get a QB.
 
Futurevoid said:
Yep. I'm hoping for Butler or Lee.
Butler has been my guy for a while now. I was secretly hoping for Dan Williams/Butler 1/2 combo. I didn't think McClain would fall to us with Denver and Miami needing LBs.
 
SI.com's Rosenberg: If Big Ben gets suspended, why not Tom Cable?

Goodell's done well with discipline, but he's created a double-standard

I won't defend Ben Roethlisberger. I would rather face an oncoming pass rush blindfolded than defend Roethlisberger. I wouldn't want him anywhere near my barstool, let alone my female friends.

But ... I must ask: how can NFL commissioner Roger Goodell suspend Roethlisberger for six games and tell Raiders coach Tom Cable to keep on keepin' on?

As you have surely heard by now, Goodell suspended Roethlisberger for six games (which can be reduced to four if certain "conditions" are met) after the Steelers quarterback turned a night in Milledgeville, Ga., into an episode of Girls Gone Wild Meet Quarterbacks Gone Stupid. "Stupid" might be too kind.

Officially, Roethlisberger was suspended for plying underage college students with drinks, and, well, whatever else he did that night. Roethlisberger was not charged with sexual assault, but the facts and interviews that have come out sure make it seem like he could have been. Roethlisberger already has a civil suit pending for an alleged sexual assault in Nevada.

I understand the anger toward Roethlisberger. I understand why he was suspended.

But why does a player get six games and a coach like Cable gets squat?

Cable was accused last year of breaking assistant coach Randy Hanson's jaw in an unprovoked attack in training camp. Cable, like Roethlisberger, has never been convicted of a crime. He avoided prosecution for allegedly hitting Hansen at least partly because people who are beholden to him vouched for him. (Raiders assistant coaches would not corroborate Hansen's story.)

And like Roethlisberger, Cable has been on the wrong side of accusations before. ESPN reported last year that his ex-wife and ex-girlfriend each said he hit them, and that a third woman, Cable's second-wife, said in divorce documents that "in the past he has been physically and verbally abusive to me."

That is a larger pattern of misconduct than Roethlisberger's. Cable has been accused by four people; Roethlisberger was accused by two. Roethlisberger can plausibly argue that his civil suit in Nevada is just a money-grab by the alleged rape survivor. (I am absolutely not saying I agree. I'm just saying that would be his defense, and a man is entitled to a defense.) Cable can't make that argument.

If you read Goodell's public letter to Roethlisberger, so much of it applies to Cable, too.


"Your conduct raises sufficient concerns that I believe effective intervention now is the best step for your personal and professional welfare. ... I urge you to take full advantage of this opportunity to get your life and career back on track."

The commissioner told Cable he did not violate the league's conduct policy. Hanson is now suing the Raiders. The Raiders are trying to move the case out of the courtroom and into arbitration -- with Goodell as the arbitrator. In other words, Goodell would have to choose between the Raiders (who employ him) and Hanson (whose claims he has already effectively dismissed). Gee, I wonder who would win that one.

When Goodell took over for Paul Tagliabue, he inherited a wildly successful league with a perception problem. Michael Vick had his dogfighting ring. Pac-Man Jones had a habit of walking into strip clubs and causing mayhem. A few high-profile arrests gave people the idea that NFL players were a bunch of thugs.

Goodell could have ignored the problem. To his credit, he has not. He appointed himself league sheriff and meted out some real discipline. But there appears to be a serious double-standard between players' misconduct and coaches' misconduct.

Let us not forget: this all started with an image problem. The league was dealing with lousy publicity.

And speaking of publicity:

After sitting out the first six games of the season (or perhaps four), Roethlisberger is scheduled to return Oct. 31 ... in a Sunday Night Football game against the Super Bowl champion Saints. The next week, he faces the rival Bengals on Monday Night Football. Then Roethlisberger faces the team of the last decade, the Patriots, in another Sunday night game.

Yes, Roethlisberger will play three straight nationally televised games after he returns from one of the most publicized suspensions in sports history. I would believe in the tooth fairy, the Loch Ness Monster and anything John Edwards says before I'd believe this is a coincidence.

Apparently Goodell is outraged enough to suspend Roethlisberger, but not too outraged to use Roethlisberger's return from suspension to boost TV ratings.

Goodell, I'm afraid, is reinforcing an long-standing sports-world belief: that players are always subservient to coaches, and therefore must conform to a narrower standard acceptable behavior. Coaches can be individuals, yell to get their point across and even use force. Players are supposed to take it, for the good of the team.

It is 2010. If anything, coaches should be held to a higher behavioral standard than players. They are higher on the organizational food chain. They have more power. If I ran a team, I would be much more understanding of a 25-year-old player messing up than if a 50-year-old coach did. I would be livid if a general manager or team president did it.

This bring us to the NBA, where Chicago Bulls vice president John Paxson and coach Vinny Del Negro recently had some kind of physical altercation in the Bulls' offices. NBA commissioner David Stern is taking a wait-and-see-if-it-will-go-away approach to this one. NBA spokesman Tim Frank said "the situation is under review."

The situation is now a week-and-a-half old. How much reviewing needs to be done? The NBA would never wait that long to deal with this kind of accusation against a player. Latrell Sprewell was suspended before he had even removed his hands from P.J. Carlesimo's neck.

In his public comments about the incident, Stern said "It sounded to me like what we call a scuffle in practice." No, it wasn't. Basketball practices are, by definition, physical activities; it is natural that when emotions boil, players react with physical actions.

Paxson is an executive accused of shoving an employee. The level of physical contact is in debate, but any contact is not acceptable.

And, since Stern was a lawyer before he took over the sports league, he should ask: what if this happened again? What if Del Negro sued? By doing nothing, would the NBA be tacitly approving Paxson's actions?

Stern is the best sports commissioner of my lifetime. He has managed to build a league that is so big and successful that, paradoxically, it obscures his achievement -- people no longer think of the NBA as a late-20th century success story, but as a league fighting to hold its ground. And he has done it, thankfully, without sucking the personality out of his stars.

Like Goodell, Stern may have good intentions. But they both need to step back and ask if they have a double-standard. This is not the first time this has come up. Former Lions assistant coach Joe Cullen was arrested twice in one week -- once for driving naked into a Wendy's drive-thru and then for driving drunk while speeding at night with his headlights off. Cullen was suspended for two games (one by the Lions, one by the league).

Goodell's overall body of work remains impressive, especially as it relates to discipline. He obviously takes the public behavior of his players far more seriously than predecessor Tagliabue did. But the sheriff's jurisdiction should cover the whole league, not just the players. His public letter to Roethlisberger might as well have ended like this:

If you want to misbehave, become a coach.
 
Rorschach said:
Yawn. That divorce happened before he was a coach. You gonna dig up history to punish people? :lol Haters gonna hate.


yeah, I don't doubt Cable's on a short leash with Goodell...
 
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