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[Pai Pai Master]

silent is the last fucking word i would use to describe trump supporters

 

[Abstrusity]

I've convinced a couple people to simply not vote. The hatred of Clinton is real.

But the hitch is...these people are either irrational or uneducated, with a hatred for facts that don't fit their world view. If you can get them to admit that Trump isn't a good step forward, the seed is planted. From there, you just have to hammer it in.

 

[Sidewinder]

"Dump the Trump" is what you should call this initiative!

 

[Steel]

silent is the last fucking word i would use to describe trump supporters

Truth. They're the babies who have been crying the loudest while backing the tea-party.

 

[Zubz]

is there ANYONE on GAF voting for Trump??

i know there's a GAF-defense-Force for everything so...

There are a few, but I think all of them are currently banned. One or two stuck around for awhile, but for the most part, they were juniors who got banned within days of starting to post, and they all ultimately said something ban-worthy.

 

[Makonero]

The real issue is that so many of these people are convinced that Hillary is a criminal. I have stopped arguing that point because it's ridiculous but they fervently believe it. For so many, this isn't about Trump. It's "anything but Hillary" and that's frightening.

 

[Fox Mulder]

You're not getting them to vote for clinton, but maybe they can be convinced to not vote at all.

 

[Cyan]

Whoops forgot to put quotes.

Oh, was that a brexit thing? I feel like I vaguely remember that quote.

 

[Staccat0]

Not being a passive aggressive dick (I'm a pretty enthusiastic Clinton supporter at this point) but HONESTLY I think that a lot of these people are already a lost cause considering they often get name called or rail roaded. I'm thinking this boat sailed during the conventions.

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but it almost seems like the defensive walls are too high (lol) at this point.

 

[SDCowboy]

I live in CA, so I don't see the point. Clinton will likely dominate this state, regardless.

 

[MrCunningham]

If people are still voting for him after all the idiotic statements he's made in the past year then you can't change their minds. They want an idiot in the White House. We need to get the people on the fence instead.

The man's campaign has been nothing but idiotic statements. It started with idiotic statements and continues to roll on with idiotic statements. It doesn't matter what spews out of Donald Trump's mouth, as long as he says it with total confidence and conviction people will follow him. Trump literally willed himself into being a presidential candidate.

 

[Staccat0]

I live in CA, so there is no point. Clinton will dominate this state.

President matters less than down ticket voting and the # by which a President does actually effect policy.

 

[Phantast2k]

We could produce dank memes, post them under Trump's tweets and then collectively retweet them in order for them to become attention grabbers.

Personally, I don't seem to have any American friends who consider voting for Trump other than a European, newly-naturalized gay person whom I remember traveling to Canada to merry his boyfriend. Yup, but hey, gotta stop dem Muslims.

If someone were willing to do something on the ground to convince people then we could set up a fund for them, produce pamphlets of his dumbest quotes and whatnot.

 

[Speevy]

I know it might seem like what a bad person would do, but maybe it's possible to make even the most closed-minded person feel so bad about their choices that they don't vote.

I live in Georgia, which for all the talk is still going to be a Trump state, but I won't give up.

 

[fester]

I say more power to you and anyone that tries, but when it comes to politics, trying to sway someone's opinion/views generally turns into a giant shit-show that just plays on a loop until one person or the other throws in the towel.

Speaking as someone who used to vote Republican straight down the ticket, I'd like to think there are others out there who are open to changing their mind. The problem is that these changes usually take time (measured in years) and we only have a few months.

 

[Piecake]

Write an article for popular conservative website, and have that article be about things that deranged people say that will get people to move seats.

Get people invested and say, yea, that is bat-shit insane. I would totally get away from that loon. Then drop the bomb at the end and say all of these things were said by Trump.

 

[HerbertBirdsfoot]

One thing you can ask Trump supporters is if they support the U.S. military and care about national security issues. I'm willing to bet many of them will claim to.

Ask how much scotch they will need to drink on election day to vote for someone who:
- Disparaged the service of a P.O.W. (McCain)
- Disparaged the parents of a soldier who died in our service (Khans)
- Invited the Russians to hack State Department emails to interfere with our election.

I'll bet Paul Ryan will be a hardcore alcoholic by election day just trying to stay on Trump's side. But I hope that doesn't happen to our friends and neighbors who are Republicans.

Hopefully Johnson/Weld gives these folks an out. If Trump gets 40% on the vote nationally in November I'll choke back tears for this country.

 

[Plum]

silent is the last fucking word i would use to describe trump supporters

This. Since Trump supporters (and Brexit supporters) aren't actually oppressed they instill a narrative of it in their minds in order to justify their "whatever it takes" mentality. What this does is turn a selfish movement against "the other" into a fight against a seemingly totalitarian leftist government. Trying to argue with these idiots isn't worth it.

 

[N.Domixis]

Voting for third parties is dumb they never win. Just vote clinton.

 

[abolisher6812]

I have several friends that are voting for Trump. I have no problem with whom they vote for as long as politics is never brought up between us.

 

[pigeon]

You should spend your time trying to change the voting system instead.

"Who needs to stop Idiot Hitler from taking over America? Why aren't we talking about proportional representation?"

This is a ridiculous position and you should be ashamed.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

I know it might seem like what a bad person would do, but maybe it's possible to make even the most closed-minded person feel so bad about their choices that they don't vote.

I live in Georgia, which for all the talk is still going to be a Trump state, but I won't give up.

You might just create a connotation that Hillary supporters are assholes. If you can learn anything from fanatic Bernie supporters it is that direct / stern / condescending / victim blaming types of convincing is not something that makes people "oh geez I never thought about it like that".
People who vote for him know what he is about. It's like waving the confederate flag around.
If I were you, I'd be active in a different way. Go volunteer. Approach your state delegation and see what is up.



Your sisters and those people you know are not going to change the election. You might have a better relationship with them, just not talking politics with them and focus on spreading awareness with strangers.

 

[Xe4]

I suppose this is a good thread for this. I had a friend text me and say he was gonna vote for Johnson, even though he's more liberal than I. He said he doesnt trust Clinton or Trump, thinks shes a liar, doesnt trust the Clibton Foundation taking money from Saudi Arabia, and more. I wouldn't mind, but I live in a semi-swing state (NM). Here's what I said to him:

I'm sure she's a liar; all politicans are, all people are in fact, just politicians are more likely to get caught.

But in all honesty, she's about on par for a politician. Compare her politifact page to someone like Bernie or Obama and you'll find she's more or less as truthful (~25% more false than true).

Compare her to Ryan or McConnell or (god forbid) Trump, and you'll find she's actually more truthful. There's been obly a few statements that she has made that have been 100% bs, notably her comments about Bosnia. All three have been during campaigns when lying and stretching the truth becomes more common for all politicians.

Looking at the scandals, of all of them to there are only a few that have actual substance, notably the cheating scandal and the email scandal. No doubt these not a good look, but as far as scandals go, they weren't that bad. Nothing criminal occurred, no one died, but they were an embarrassment. Clinton's role in the cheating scandal was to keep a lid on it, and the email scandal actually is an intresting look at the troubles of the state department as a whole. Funny enough, the problem of that scandal was not that she used a private adress, which is what a lot of focus is on. Her not using her .gov email adress is fine, the problem was classified emails were sent at all.

As far as flip flopping, it's an easy claim to make and a harder one to substantiate. It's important to know the difference between flip flopping and changing your views and policy positions for the time that you are in. If there were a specific example to be given, it would be easier to look at, but I don't think Clinton flip flops any more than the average politicans or even Obama.

The Clinton foundation has actually done a crazy ammount of good in the world, from issues of climate change, to health care access, to women's rights. Honestly it's up there with the Gates foundation as far as the good it's done in the world. In general it receives a good rating from charity rating originizations, amf the majority of its money goes to charity. It taking money from middle eastern countries is neither here nor there. The countries certainly don't have a stellar record, but they are US allies, and the money can do a crazy ammount of the good. Clinton herself was not a director of the foundation most of the time anyways, as she was running for office or acting as Secretary of State a lot during those years.

I think it's easy to come off of the “no drama” Obama administration and be unhappy that someone with a less stellar record taking over. It's important to know that Obama was probably one of the only administrations in recent times that had not had a major scandal, something that should be lauded, but ultimately put into perspective. It's easy to fall for he in a politician in one way or another, but it's important to try to ignore that as much as you can and try to look at the facts on a case by case basis.

To be honest, I have no particular feelings about Clinton one way or another. I think she'll be a fine politician, not exemplary like I beleive Obama was (I think he will go down as one of the top 10 presidents in history, and rightfully become the candidate that democrats can point to about why they support the party). I certainly don't think she will be as bad as Bush or Regan, and had the ability to do a lot of good in this country.

Even if I disliked Clinton I'd still vote for her for. There are honestly no better candidates; I hate libertarianism and think it's a practice that can get our country into serious trouble. I think Johnson had some rediculous positions, including eliminating the federal reserve, the entity that did more to bring us out of the recession than any other. I think Jill Stein is an anti vaxxer (or at least hints at anti-vaxxer views), anti GMO, pro alternative medicine loon who would worsen the comeback of deseises that are already creeping into the US.

More importantly I support Clinton, because the most powerful and important branch of the US is Republican lopsided, we have the ablitiy to change that. Scalia recently died, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 83 and Kennedy is 79. This is probably the most important election in a long while in terms of the direction the country takes. It is impossible to overstate how important it is. Furthermore, it has taken since FDR to get any sort of substantial health care reform and I'll be damned if it gets undone by any republican, much less Trump the dumb ass getting in. I live in a swing state, and so I consider it of even greater importance that I vote.

But whoever you do or do not vote for in regards to president, please, please, please vote down ticket, not only now but in 2018. It is just as important as the presidential election and sooo neglected. If you don't vote in that, I will stop being your friend (not really, but still : p)

Oh and Johnson supports the "fair tax", and doesn't think there should've been a bailout in '08. Considering the bailout probably saved us from going into a depression, I just don't and can't support his economic platform. The party he belongs to also hints that they don't support the civil rights act, though luckily Johnson doesn't support that view.

I don't know what else I can say to him, but I live about 50 miles from him, so I haven't really talked in person. Any ideas?

 

[phisheep]

It was a nice conversation and it seems worthwhile to broach the subject if you feel it's important. My advise is to always explain your intentions first, though. Don't argue; discuss. It shouldn't be a debate and no one has to "win". If everyone can agree to that, have at it and be willing to move on from the subject if it starts to get at all heated.

Good story. It's certainly worthwhile getting into the subject if you feel there's any chance of swaying people, and it may not be as hard as it seems.

I'm not American, but I had similar experiences during the Brexit campaign, and probably persuaded about 20 people to vote Remain rather than Leave. It wasn't enough obviously, but I feel marginally better for at least having tried.

If it is any help, this is what I learned from the experience:

1) it is easier to open the conversation by expressing your own personal worries rather than going for rebuttals, the conversation then doesn't start off confrontational

2) be prepared to drop the topic immediately if you are preaching to the unconvertible

3) try to go for positives rather than negatives - for example, a Trump loss may be the only way of rescuing the Republican party from self-immolation

 

[Durden77]

One huge problem is that a lot of Trump supporters are the "gotta vote no matter what" type. For instance, my girlfriend's mom and step dad are planning on voting for Trump. But she's spoke with them and a lot of times they can see his bullshit. Her step dad has said you can't blame an entire race for 1 person's actions, ect.

But if their defense ever breaks down then they usually just say something like "Well I've gotta vote and it's not gonna be for Hillary so..." and that's really, really tough to change.

I think this is an important problem-part of some of the population's way of thinking that could potentially be threatening.

God damn it Hillary why can't you just be more likable.

 

[pigeon]

You might just create a connotation that Hillary supporters are assholes. If you can learn anything from fanatic Bernie supporters it is that direct / stern / condescending / victim blaming types of convincing is not something that makes people "oh geez I never thought about it like that".
People who vote for him know what he is about. It's like waving the confederate flag around.
If I were you, I'd be active in a different way. Go volunteer. Approach your state delegation and see what is up.



Your sisters and those people you know are not going to change the election. You might have a better relationship with them, just not talking politics with them and focus on spreading awareness with strangers.

Fuck having a good relationship with white nationalists. It's better for your life not to.

 

[Nikodemos]

God damn it Hillary why can't you just be more likable.

1. She's a woman;
2. She's a Clinton;
3. She's been in politics for the better part of 25 years.

Unless somehow the dimensional set of constants changes tomorrow, I can't see how she can avoid any of these three 'problems' Trump supporters have with her.

 

[dextran]

Honestly i say let them vote. I want a count of the crazies. Theres always civil war. Weve done it before we can do it again.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Now, I don't know about most of you, but growing up in a Christian family I was always taught that what I should be doing is trying to minister to people. I was told that I should spread the gospel of Christ to as many people as I could, every day.

Now, that obviously isn't what this thread is about. But I'm thinking about that more and more. Christians say that if you care enough about your beliefs, you should get out there and talk to other people, no matter how averse they are to what you have to say.

Thats what evangelical christians think. Many other types of christians dont find it necessary to change minds, however. My catholic friends prefer to just live a good life and set a good example for instance.

My advise is to always explain your intentions first, though. Don't argue; discuss. It shouldn't be a debate and no one has to "win". If everyone can agree to that, have at it and be willing to move on from the subject if it starts to get at all heated.

I'm sorry to pick on you, but I just can't stand when people misuse advice/advise. Advice is a noun. You give advice. Advise is a verb. You advise people to give good advice, lol.

It shouldn't even matter if they're total strangers who threaten you with bigoted words or violence.
.

I advise you to not paint with such a broad brush when classifying/assuming things about people's reasons for supporting trump/not supporting hrc if you really want to change any minds,

 

[Lothar]

is there ANYONE on GAF voting for Trump??

i know there's a GAF-defense-Force for everything so...

Anyone who says the things Trump says on a daily basis would be banned fast.

I wish there was some back and forth here with Trump supporters. Maybe they could be swayed. Maybe they should be offered immunity in a thread in an attempt to try to sway them.

 

[Aureon]

The fight is twofold.

Flipping Trump to Clinton votes is nigh impossible.

The fight is getting apathic \ Stein voters to vote Clinton, and Trump voters to stay home \ vote johnson.

 

[RedAssedApe]

I generally don't talk politics with people but I do know several Republicans who consistently post anti-Obama/Anti-Hillary articles to social media.

They all have college degrees. Most of them either serve in the military or have family that serve. There is basically no convincing them as they will vote for whomever is the Republican nominee every time. Basically to them Trump is a faceless candidate as whenever you bring him up they immediately deflect by attacking Hillary/Dems.

Everyday citizens doing their best Paul Ryan and Mitch Mcconnell impersonations.

 

[Bearthgar]

Is calling GAF 99.9% anti-Trump the same thing as calling it a hive mind?

GAF members do apparently love flexing their left wing, but come on...

It's a community. I think it is extremely toxic and 4chan-like to jump on the bandwagon of "let's fuck up Donald Trump supporters and prove we're right!"

The point of this place is discussion, not judgemental persecution .

Go spout shit on /pol/ if you want to cross that line.

 

[Zubz]

Voting for third parties is dumb they never win. Just vote clinton.

They'll never win if people don't vote for them. This is a terrifying year to risk it, of course, but if the GOP picked Jeb or someone equally toothless, I'd probably be voting 3rd Party.

The biggest solace I've seen this election year is that some otherwise die-hard Republicans in my life are considering voting 3rd Party; these are people who would never vote for Clinton and are actually "voting against" Trump, so I'd consider that a win-win in my book.

 

[Veelk]

I feel a lot of people who are NeverHillary are simply not educated enough on her. For a long time, all I knew about her was the Benghazi and Email scandals, that Bill cheated on her, and that apparently she holds a lot of the same views as Obama. Once I read up on her, it's clear that she has already done a lot of good and is an extremely competent politician who knows how the system works. She's not perfect and has her fair share of mistakes. But she is still a very, very strong candidate, and one of the most qualified people to ever run for president. There is no reason whatsoever not to vote for her, especially considering her competition.

 

[Speevy]

Is calling GAF 99.9% anti-Trump the same thing as calling it a hive mind?

GAF members do apparently love flexing their left wing, but come on...

It's a community. I think it is extremely toxic and 4chan-like to jump on the bandwagon of "let's fuck up Donald Trump supporters and prove we're right!"

The point of this place is discussion, not judgemental persecution .

Go spout shit on /pol/ if you want to cross that line.

I don't wish to be disrespectful to you at all, but supporting Trump's beliefs is pretty well condemned, and openly on Neogaf.

It's because many of his beliefs are bigoted and ignorant.

 

[antonz]

The few people I know who are voting for Trump basically parrot the same reason why people who dislike Hillary but voting for her anyways say.

"Its about the Supreme Court". Fiscally Conservative people are less likely to care about the Supreme Court and can be swayed to at least swallow their vomit and vote Hillary. The ones concerned about abortion etc. are never going to Vote Hillary even if they think Trump is a pile of dog shit because Trump at least offers the potential of a conservative justice.

 

[Abstrusity]

I feel a lot of people who are NeverHillary are simply not educated enough on her. For a long time, all I knew about her was the Benghazi and Email scandals, that Bill cheated on her, and that apparently she holds a lot of the same views as Obama. Once I read up on her, it's clear that she has already done a lot of good and is an extremely competent politician who knows how the system works. She's not perfect and has her fair share of mistakes. But she is still a very, very strong candidate, and one of the most qualified people to ever run for president. There is no reason whatsoever not to vote for her, especially considering her competition.

Yeah, she's not only an extremely competent politician, I'd wager she is one of, if not the, most qualified for the presidency. Surely among everyone else who was running, at the least.

 

[BinaryPork2737]

I suppose this is a good thread for this. I had a friend text me and say he was gonna vote for Johnson, even though he's more liberal than I. He said he doesnt trust Clinton or Trump, thinks shes a liar, doesnt trust the Clibton Foundation taking money from Saudi Arabia, and more. I wouldn't mind, but I live in a semi-swing state (NM). Here's what I said to him:



I don't know what else I can say to him, but I live about 50 miles from him, so I haven't really talked in person. Any ideas?

Did he explain why he's voting for Johnson specifically? Is he just voting for the most popular third party candidate regardless of what his actual policies are? Because Johnson's policies and views aren't really liberal outside of his points on the death penalty, the war on drugs, and same sex marriage. On everything else, he's a rightwing politician, to the point where he supports for-profit prisons and heavy deregulation, including giving control over just about everything (except same-sex marriage for some reason) to the states instead of the federal government, including civil rights and education.

 

[NobleGundam]

Why vote for either of them?

First Hillary calls out Mike Pence for being against same sex marriage and the LGBT community yet there's video proof of her saying on air decades ago that she believes that only a man and a woman should only marry. Hypocrisy anyone?

Oh and then there's President Obama calling her out back in '08 saying she'll say anything to get what she wants, etc.
Then there's Bernie who said the same thing. Yet those Two decide they have a common enemy which is Trump and go by her side. Lol does anyone else not see this happening here OR are ppl just in deniel?

 

[xxracerxx]

I truly believe that anyone voting for Trump is a complete moron.

First Hillary calls out Mike Pence for being against same sex marriage and the LGBT community yet there's video proof of her saying on air decades ago that she believes that only a man and a woman should only marry. Hypocrisy anyone?

God this is such a stupid argument.

 

[Dylan Sexbang]

Talking to my dad is a constant circle. He says Hillary should be in jail, I say innocent until proven guilty. He says she's corrupt, I say you can look at all her tax information for the past 8 years and see everything. He says she's a liar, so is every politician. Those are the 3 points he always throws at me. And usually ends with "I can kick your ass out of this house" if I counter very point.

Don't get me wrong he doesn't want Trump either, but he would rather have him over Hillary. I can read up on it, and he says that I just read liberal media. Asked him why Hilldog released all her tax information and Trump hasn't, says he doesn't have to despite him being the man who forced Obama to release his birth certificate. Actually, he doesn't even think Obama released it. Dad thinks Trump can smoke Hillary in a debate, I laughed and told him how Trump is already trying to weasel out of it. Said all Trump has to do is bring up how she's a liar and all the money she makes.

This is the people we deal with. This is my dad. They already have it solidified that Hillary is in bed with all the 1%, should be in jail, is corrupt, and a liar. And they would rather have someone who will tear this country apart than see Clinton in office.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

I truly believe that anyone voting for Trump is a complete moron.

Or desperate.

 

[Speevy]

Why vote for either of them?

Because I believe Donald Trump is one of the worst people ever to run for president and stopping him from being president is a good enough reason to vote for anyone else.

 

[Bearthgar]

I don't wish to be disrespectful to you at all, but supporting Trump's beliefs is pretty well condemned, and openly on Neogaf.

It's because many of his beliefs are bigoted and ignorant.

I just feel it's toxic to condemn a section of the populace for thier beliefs. "Pro-Life Supporters: How Can We Convince the Sinners to Understand" would get shut down in less than 2 hours. 1 if Bish was drunk and angry.

 

[paparazzo]

If only it were that simple. There's a reason so many trump supporters refuse to see reason, and in large part is probably due to Trump echoing the narcissistic, fact-eschewing conservative talk radio people who teach their audience to distrust everything.

After some heated arguments with my parents (that they started) on this, I've decided it's just not worth the stress and risk of resenting each other. It also doesn't help that they and other evangelicals believe God is always on the side of the candidate who says they're against abortion, and they find pastors and Christian blogs to help validate their candidate.

 

[Steel]

Why vote for either of them?

First Hillary calls out Mike Pence for being against same sex marriage and the LGBT community yet there's video proof of her saying on air decades ago that she believes that only a man and a woman should only marry. Hypocrisy anyone?

How many people do you know have changed their mind on the same-sex marriage issue, I wonder?

 

[nillah]

Thread of giving trump bread lol

 

[teruterubozu]

There's a guy down my street with Trump signs all over his yard and car.
No fucking way I'm talking to him.

 

[Fracas]

I tried talking to my dad about it, but he's not changing his vote. Even though he shares a lot of values from the democrats, that's all overridden by his bigotry and racism.