I'm expecting a similar design with a premium finish. Maybe a bit more rounded like the PS3 Slim.
PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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Xenoflare
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Whatever they do, no glossy surfaces please.
pixellated_man
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Good post. I bet when Scorpio releases the best selling system will still be the original ps4. That console (by then costing £200 or less) will still be the one to beat and neither of the mid gen upgrades will be able to keep up in sales.
Power will help Microsoft sell more consoles, but not enough to supersede their rivals.
thetester77
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I'm thinking of selling mine to buy Neo and PSVR
Xenoflare
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I think MS gave up on that with a long time ago, see play anywhere.
With all that said I hope Xbox stays in the console business, though it will take a miracle or two for it to pull off a 360 with it's almost 50/50 divide between itself and PS.
pixellated_man
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Hmmm. I also believe the power difference between the two will not result in vastly different looking / performing games at all, especially if Scorpio also uses the Jaguar or one of it's variants. It'll be similar to ps4 > xbox 1, yes.
Loved that design
Mikey Jr.
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The year head start is huge.
Also, add to the fact that lots of people are now invested in the Playstation ecosystem with digital games. In previous gens, you could just sell off most of your games. Now, you buy a game? Its not going anywhere. And now its moving with you to the next system. No longer do you lose everything and start fresh.
Actually, Microsoft picked a BAD time to lose the console race if you think about it. No more generations. No more "fresh" starts. No more "well fuck it, my games won't work on the next console anyways, I'll just go with a different company".
But yeah, that headstart is gonna be killer.
Great games coming out, Playstation VR, possible PS4 slim and pricedrop, PS4 neo. Sony has a lot of ways to widen that gap.
Yes Andrew
THE:MILKMAN
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Yeah this makes the most sense. Like others have said please no gloss finish.
I haven't had hands on with the PS3 super slim but heard bad things about it. I wouldn't mind a top loader though (PlayStation was great) and I would love something styled similar to this Rega CD player.
I do already own a Rega amp/DAC though....
I want brushed metal.
The One S is 16nm I believe.
Neo is not a replacement for the base PS4 and Sony sells 4K TVs so I'm not sure this would be perceived as a problem.
How much do we expect for a year head start of patched titles to play into NEO's advantage? We know Scorpio is not even fully a thing yet, and MS can't mandate that all devs support previously released games with a Scorpio patch, so does that mean Sony are going to have more higher tier games than Scorpio?
And speaking of that, why can't NEO do what XB1S does and automatically show the differences in games just by putting in the disk? Why does there have to be a patch i wonder to take advantage of the power increase?
And speaking of that, why can't NEO do what XB1S does and automatically show the differences in games just by putting in the disk? Why does there have to be a patch i wonder to take advantage of the power increase?
Yeah this makes the most sense. Like others have said please no gloss finish.
I haven't had hands on with the PS3 super slim but heard bad things about it. I wouldn't mind a top loader though (PlayStation was great) and I would love something styled similar to this Rega CD player.
I do already own a Rega amp/DAC though....
Not sure if it will be used for Neo but Sony has a patent for a new sliding top loaded disc drive
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...50&s1=9326405.PN.&OS=PN/9326405&RS=PN/9326405
When was it filed?Not sure if it will be used for Neo but Sony has a patent for a new sliding top loaded disc drive
The first point is something that gets overlooked a lot. You'll get more upgrades titles on Neo.
The second point is because the One S is always clocked faster. The Neo has a PS4 mode that drops the clocks to the standard PS4 level to ensure proper compatibility.
StrongBlackVine
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How confident are we that this will be released in October or November? It would suck if I sold my PS4 and then it got announced for release in early 2017.
You will likely see better performance automatically for games that didn't reach targets but things like 4K checkerboard rendering and higher resolutions would need to be patched in.
Hexa
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It was filed in the US in 2015 but it's claiming priority to a Japanese application that was filed in 2012 so it's for the PS3 Super Slim.
Hexa
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Why? If you passionately hate the mid generation leap model of consoles enough that the announcement of one is enough to kill consoles, then they've been dead since Microsoft's E3 conference.
I'm betting on it. Off to eBay it goes.
Mikey Jr.
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Quoting for future crow.
Futurematic
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Taking any big improvement from the leaked specs as out of bounds, what are the smaller things Sony can do to improve?
-mild improvement of GPU by going above 911 MHz, 4.3-4.5 teraflop range
-slight Jaguar boost, 2.2-2.3 GHz
-upping RAM clock speed a little
-freeing up another 512MB from the OS
-500 GB or 1 TB SSHD (+ OS optimization for flash and overall aimed at load times, also helping SSD users)
Anything else? (Aside from WiFi upgrade, SATA III, and a UHD drive taking those as stunning mistakes if not done lol)
Personally I expect none of these, although any (or ideally all) of them would be welcome without going to the extremes of a major APU redesign.
-mild improvement of GPU by going above 911 MHz, 4.3-4.5 teraflop range
-slight Jaguar boost, 2.2-2.3 GHz
-upping RAM clock speed a little
-freeing up another 512MB from the OS
-500 GB or 1 TB SSHD (+ OS optimization for flash and overall aimed at load times, also helping SSD users)
Anything else? (Aside from WiFi upgrade, SATA III, and a UHD drive taking those as stunning mistakes if not done lol)
Personally I expect none of these, although any (or ideally all) of them would be welcome without going to the extremes of a major APU redesign.
But NEO's Jaguar CPU is also always clocked faster than PS4's 1.6 GHZ, at 2.1 GHZ. And they can't physically clock polaris to pitcairn's original clock, as that does not give you the same result due to the completely different architecture
Where in the documentation does it say that NEO mode means a forcing of clocks to a certain level, and not just a base mode where there are no patches required? I can understand patching to require higher FPS for games with locked framerates, or enable resolutions higher than 1080p
I hope that's the case in some way
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It should show a difference unless Sony specifically shutters off the extra power in base ps4 mode.
While Ps4 games without a patch won't be able to access the 18 extra compute units in the gpu, the rest of the GPU and CPU are upclocked and depending on the way the game is programmed it could access that like some games are able to access the extra power on the Xbox one s right now.
But if the game is designed in a way like"use a max of x MHz for this aspect"it may not be able to. And of course access to all 36 compute units would require a patch.
So yeah really hope Sony doesn't purposely shutter off neo's extra power like "only run at x MHz" when running PS4 games.
I don't think it matters because how many devs do you really expect to go back and patch their old shit?
CDPR, Rockstar, first parties and a few others would be my guess.
LurkFish17
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Honestly, i'd be cool if they just boosted the neo enough to make the current rumored power delta less of an issue. At that point myself and I'm sure many others would deal with a slightly weaker console if it meant playing stuff like horizon, God of War, and some jrpgs at much higher settings.
Eh? But we're talking about an entire year of games patched for NEO and not scorpio. I'm not specifically talking about PS4NEO right now taking advantage of games released before NEO launches
I wonder what the next move would be if these boxes don't sell
Crimson_Gold
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Why announce now and kill Christmas sales? I think the Apple like release will stick
Go onto the next generation as usual and forgo iterative consoles? Of course scropio is probably being positioned as a halfway new gen and iterative model,so they dont really need to worry
gundamkyoukai
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Yep if Neo fails expect PS5 in 2019 and that will be end of iterative model .
Of course we have no idea what sony would consider to be a success since this is a new business model for consoles.
If there really is a cost-reduced PS4 as well as the Neo? I think one reasonable possibility would be to put the Neo in a subtle refinement of the existing PS4 case, and to redesign the slim along the lines of past revisions. That keeps the original sleek design as the premium Playstation throughout the generation.
bigboss370
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Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War, Spider-Man...will all be on Neo. That's all I need baby I'm already in 
sheeeitttt FF7R is gonna be on there too! and RE7 will be even better in VR with Neo. oh i'm so in.
sheeeitttt FF7R is gonna be on there too! and RE7 will be even better in VR with Neo. oh i'm so in.
The more I think, the more I'm convinced a slim(mer) is coming alongside Neo. Slim having the revised smaller 16nm shenanigans etc etc, and 4K/UHD video etc etc. And of course Neo which will be a bigger form factor, though no bigger than current PS4. Price I'm going to say....$299 for base slim (maybe variants of HD size). Neo coming in at $399 based on the 4.2tf figure. IF and its a BIG if, the Neo gets a hardware increase, I'm going to say $429/$449.
What do we think?
What do we think?
wapplew
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I think slim will come next year. Too much new products to launch in one holiday.
PeterLegend
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Playstation 4K is perfectly fine
I mean Microsoft announced a console called Xbox One after Xbox 360 lol
I mean Microsoft announced a console called Xbox One after Xbox 360 lol
Sanctuary
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I'm still not buying the "supports 4K games" claim at all. 4K "low-rent" kind of games maybe, but in no way will it support any kind of even mid-level current gen game at native 4K. It will be supporting 1080p games that will be upscaled to 4K. Similarly to all of the "1080p" claims of last gen that were in most cases 720p upscaled.
Regardless, I am excite. Have a 4K TV and no UHD Blu-ray player yet.
Huh? While it does make things look more lifelike in combination with the additional colors offered by the wider color gamut (two seperate things), it doesn't really do all that much for contrast ratio (if you're thinking that it increases it). That's something entirely different. Which is why if you're really wanting the best picture quality right now, you can't currently beat the LG OLEDs. However, HDR is better for scenes that already have a high contrast ratio, because it keeps the details at both ends of the spectrum much better than a TV without it.
This of course only works if the content you're viewing is mastered with HDR.
Currently it's the best tech. Panasonic has a full-array, local dimming panel that comes pretty damn close, but it also costs over two and a half times as much of an already expensive set.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/tx58dx902b-201604174282.htm
Hmm, guess it got a rather significant price drop. Still more expensive, but not nearly as much as it was.
Regardless, I am excite. Have a 4K TV and no UHD Blu-ray player yet.
Huh? While it does make things look more lifelike in combination with the additional colors offered by the wider color gamut (two seperate things), it doesn't really do all that much for contrast ratio (if you're thinking that it increases it). That's something entirely different. Which is why if you're really wanting the best picture quality right now, you can't currently beat the LG OLEDs. However, HDR is better for scenes that already have a high contrast ratio, because it keeps the details at both ends of the spectrum much better than a TV without it.
This of course only works if the content you're viewing is mastered with HDR.
Currently it's the best tech. Panasonic has a full-array, local dimming panel that comes pretty damn close, but it also costs over two and a half times as much of an already expensive set.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/tx58dx902b-201604174282.htm
Hmm, guess it got a rather significant price drop. Still more expensive, but not nearly as much as it was.
geordiemp
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Yeah good post, its what I was thinking as well, maybe they could do a better heat sink and fan which may allow them that bit more APU clocks and grunt.
Even use a slightly bigger case to allow for air flow - we are after performance after all, not a small form factor. Heck, we need space for a 4 TB hard drive...
GDDR5X is always an option for bandwidth and SATA III would be sweet.
Dont care about WIFI upgrade, if connection is important in an online game you should be cabled anyway.
These little thinks would have been enough if Sony has the desire imo and would be worth an extra say 100 bucks to the target audience.
Not if the payback for the slim is done after say a million units (number from my arse), it will replace OG Ps4 as soon as imo.
Having 2 Ps4 models, premium and cheap is not that confusing if OG Ps4 stocks are run down quickly.
They already have cases of games rendering at 1800p, 4K gaming will happen for most games released(aka smaller games), the bigger gaming titles will fluctuate with lower resolutions.
But 4K gaming is going to happen on NEO, and definitely on Scorpio
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Why would they bother with a new iteration of the Vita? Unless there's new games coming or its gonna be super cheap.
Chase Lebowski
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Give me the damn 5ghz Wifi. I can't use the cable and with this shitty Wifi I get 5/10 Mbps, and I should get 85 Mbps... even with a powerlink I get like 30 when I'm really lucky.
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