Trump to introduce immigration plan. Campaign denies path to citizenship

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CrocMother

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EatinOlives said:
Because this isn't how pivoting works. He can't just say obviously unfeasible, outrageous, and racist shit and then turn around one day out of the blue and say the complete opposite. That's exactly the kind of behavior that gets a candidate called a flip-flopper and they get no brownie points with anyone.
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This election has thrown all the old rules out the window. Who knows how this will play out.
 
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yanipheonu

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Unrelated image of a Flip Flop.

Wonder how the Trump faithful eating his previous tripe will take it.
Ah hell, they'll swallow anything he'd say.
 
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Trouble

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Ihyll said:
One hell of a pivot

But I think his supporters are the kind that would definitely still support him if he shot someone in the middle of the street, but once he proposed amnesty they would flock en masse from his campaign.
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I feel like the racist far-right will see this as capitulation and turn on Trump.
 
benjipwns

benjipwns

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He can't back away from this without kneecapping himself:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

The three core principles of Donald J. Trump's immigration plan

When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.

Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:

1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

Make Mexico Pay For The Wall

For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.

The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old woman’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood trail” leads straight to Washington.

In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.

Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).

In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.

The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.

Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States

America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:

Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.

Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.

Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.

Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.

Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.

Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.

Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”

End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

Put American Workers First

Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”

The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.

Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”
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RustyNails

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They've seen that Triumph the comic insult dog's video where no matter what batshit plan you throw at them, they will eat it as long as it's Trump. So why the hell not?
 
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EatinOlives

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CrocMother said:
This election has thrown all the old rules out the window. Who knows how this will play out.
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Only the GOP primary "rules" have been thrown out. The general has played out exactly the way they've been supposed to.

benjipwns said:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
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He's doubled down on The Wall™, which is by far the biggest subject of ridicule and firmly the kind of thing that turns most every moderate voter off.

Nothing to see here, folks. This is no pivot.
 
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A Serious Man

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Like his "appeal" to black voters, this is a play to make him more palpable to moderates and hey, if it snags a few Latino votes along the way, that'd be great too.
 
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Legato.Reborn- said:
It's hard to understand context from single "lol" and "lmao" replies but I think I see where this is going.

To clarify: I'm not saying he *is* being presidential.

I'm saying this is what he's attempting to do. That's the whole point of this.
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More like punching in the dark. Just like the whole "white black outreach" its desperation.

I get what you are saying, but the time to be presidential has long past. That his campaign was a massive shitshow shows he can't do the job.
 
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JHoNNy1OoO

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His supporters will eat this up and not even think twice. Now it is only a matter of "independents" believing this bullshit or not.
 
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BriGuy

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"I can't win with 0% of the Latino view. I know, I'll tell them some bullshit they want to hear, get their votes, and then sit back and do nothing. I'm a genius."
 
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Alucrid

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Several Hispanic leaders told Trump that Hispanics weren't happy about his more aggressive comments. "He told us that what he'd said was one thing and what he'd meant to say was another," said Jovita Carranza, a Hispanic businesswoman and deputy administrator for the U.S. Small Business Administration under President George W. Bush.

"What he meant to say is that there's a lot of crime involved in these difficult situations that Hispanics go through on the border,” said Carranza, who attended Saturday’s meeting in New York.

“They pay money to cross [the border] and along the way women are raped and they let others die in trucks. Trump said he was referring to that type of crime and to people who are criminals who shouldn't be part of our society," she added.

Carranza said Trump knows the Hispanic community because many of his employees are of Mexican origin, and that he values their contribution to the economy and how much they care about education.
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fucking lol
 
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Futureman said:
LOL there's still the wall stuff in there.
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EatinOlives said:
He's doubled down on The Wall™, which is by far the biggest subject of ridicule and firmly the kind of thing that turns most every moderate voter off.

Nothing to see here, folks. This is no pivot.
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That's his current plan on the website. His "pivot" is to supporting this:
When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.
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Ending birth-right citizenship makes me especially angry, if that ain't thinly veiled white supremacy, I don't know what is.
 
benjipwns

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Aaron Strife said:
Is this a joke

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/
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From the "fact sheet"
In 1972, Hillary helped register Latino voters in south Texas and the Rio Grande Valley while working on George McGovern’s presidential campaign.

Hillary received a grant for a summer during law school to work with Marian Wright Edelman and researched the deplorable conditions of migrant farmworkers, and the education and health of their children.
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lol, white people amirite
 
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Joey Fox

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I called this over a year ago, so I don't see this as surprising. Trump anchors his negotiations high and then negotiates down.

I'm not sure who this will convince unless he gets some high profile endorsers, and there could be a loss of support from hardliners against illegal immigration, so we'll have to see what happens.
 
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Pastry

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He can say whatever he wants. All Hillary has to do is cover the air waves with footage of him calling Mexicans rapists and talking about the wall.
 
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Joey Fox said:
I called this over a year ago, so I don't see this as surprising. Trump anchors his negotiations high and then negotiates down.

I'm not sure who this will convince unless he gets some high profile endorsers, and there could be a loss of support from hardliners against illegal immigration, so we'll have to see what happens.
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Oh hey, you're the "Trump is the great unifier" guy.
 
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Alucrid

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Joey Fox said:
I called this over a year ago, so I don't see this as surprising. Trump anchors his negotiations high and then negotiates down.

I'm not sure who this will convince unless he gets some high profile endorsers, and there could be a loss of support from hardliners against illegal immigration, so we'll have to see what happens.
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"fuck you mexicans"
"i love you mexicans"

weird negotiating
 
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EatinOlives

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benjipwns said:
That's his current plan on the website. His "pivot" is to supporting this:
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Ah, you could've been clearer :p

Still, there's no way that Trump can de-couple his staunchly xenophobic agenda with a "pivot" that includes amnesty without looking like a lunatic. Nobody's gonna buy into it who weren't already actively looking for reasons to support him.
 
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Cesare Borgia

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I don't believe this. Why bring Bannon, a notorious racist/anti-immigration advocate, and then offer "amnesty" to illegal immigrants? I'd be more apt to believe this if Manafort was running the show.
 
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Sushi Nao

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Just watch, there's gonna be some kind of crazy mandatory number tattooing and/or hardcore surveillance on anyone that signs up.
 
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