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[Omnistalgic]

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Alsp, good morning Bitch Pudding :}
Maybe today we'll get something

youll get the same thing you got today in a different flavor and you'll like it...

 

[Kenzodielocke]

I just can't understand sony's stance at this point.
I mean, Why 4k upsaceld gaming is so importent to them? Mendate games in 1080p/60fps sounds like a way better selling point to me. I also got the impression that a lot of people here were loud about 60fps being importent for them.

Thing is, we don't have any stance from Sony of this. Yes, there is the leaked presentation, but things could've easily changed by now.

I just hope that every question will be answered on the 7th. I mean, the confusion is not really Sony's fault, since it got leaked and didn't get officially announced.

 

[wapplew]

I think Sony suffering internal power struggle between department, mainly between US HQ and Japan.
Japan studio game don't get the marketing budget, GTS get delay, US studio not on board with VR which seems to be mainly push by Shuhei, departure of Adam, Shu get off the camera etc are the signs.
I think SIEJ still salty about HQ moved to US and hardware team in Japan not cooperate with WWS, not adjusting the design base on Devs demand, Neo have no focus, it's a disaster and mark the downfall of Playstation.

Spoiler

Just try to start some fresh conversation. Tired of recycle topic.

 

[Theman2k]

Thing is, we don't have any stance from Sony of this. Yes, there is the leaked presentation, but things could've easily changed by now.

I just hope that every question will be answered on the 7th. I mean, the confusion is not really Sony's fault, since it got leaked and didn't get officially announced.

Ofcourse I just based their apprent stance by the leaked information. And thigs could have been changed.

I just hope the NEO will be a worthy upgrade, otherwise this MID-GEN console upgrades are not worth it.

 

[iboshow]

Agreed, many games seem to be quite CPU limited.

no that's not the reason. Because developers lock the frame rate at 30fps.

 

[Raiden1018]

youll get the same thing you got today in a different flavor and you'll like it...

okay :|

 

[Saint of Killers]

Are you being sarcastic or what...?

Not at all. It was genuinely super informative to read. I mean, it was a technical breakdown of someone's work on a game (a game which I happen to love), and while I have zero idea about how games generally work, it was written in a easy to understand manner. (It also confirmed a few thoughts I'd had while playing about the companion AI in campaign mode.) Thank you for posting it.

 

[Chris_Rivera]

I think gaf is overall appreciative of the godliness soon to be bestowed onto us, by the mighty Sony's latest incarnation of PlayStation.

 

[QaaQer]

I think Sony suffering internal power struggle between department, mainly between US HQ and Japan.
Japan studio game don't get the marketing budget, GTS get delay, US studio not on board with VR which seems to be mainly push by Shuhei, departure of Adam, Shu get off the camera, etc are the signs.
I think SIEJ still salty about HQ moved to US and hardware team in Japan not cooperate with WWS, not adjusting the design base on Devs demand, Neo have no focus, it's a disaster and mark the downfall of Playstation.

Spoiler

Just try to start some fresh conversation. Tired of recycle topic.

Would make a good hbo show, needs tits tho.

 

[The Pope]

Would make a good hbo show, needs tits tho.

Starring Kaz Hirai, Mark Cerny and Adam Sandler.

 

[onQ123]

OnQ, i was joking before, but seriously...you don't really want to be considered Jeff 2.0, do you?

I mean, compute rendering for raytracing!? In the Neo? Come on man.

Yes raytracing , I told people that PS4 would bring life back to software rendering years ago & now you see Dreams. Now I'm just hoping that they also use what they have learned while making Dreams & use it to better the hardware for volume rendering & so on.

I just can't understand sony's stance at this point.
I mean, Why 4k upsaceld gaming is so importent to them? Mendate games in 1080p/60fps sounds like a way better selling point to me. I also got the impression that a lot of people here were loud about 60fps being importent for them.

It's not upscale & devs can do both have the game in 4K & 1080P 60fps

 

[kyser73]

I think Sony suffering internal power struggle between department, mainly between US HQ and Japan.
Japan studio game don't get the marketing budget, GTS get delay, US studio not on board with VR which seems to be mainly push by Shuhei, departure of Adam, Shu get off the camera etc are the signs.
I think SIEJ still salty about HQ moved to US and hardware team in Japan not cooperate with WWS, not adjusting the design base on Devs demand, Neo have no focus, it's a disaster and mark the downfall of Playstation.

Spoiler

Just try to start some fresh conversation. Tired of recycle topic.

I think Andrew House is lukewarm on PSVR.

I can't remember the interviewer but there were a couple of answers he gave that sounded less like genuine enthusiasm for the product and more like a PR line.

 

[NotSmartEnough]

I just can't understand sony's stance at this point.
I mean, Why 4k upsaceld gaming is so importent to them? Mendate games in 1080p/60fps sounds like a way better selling point to me. I also got the impression that a lot of people here were loud about 60fps being importent for them.

They want Neo to complement their UHD TVs and vice versa.

You don't need a UHD TV to get some benefit from Neo, but once people have one there will be an extra temptation to upgrade their TV to get UHD gaming and movies.

I've said it before, but the market cares more about resolution than framerate. If that wasn't the case you'd see more 60fps games now.

 

[wapplew]

They want Neo to complement their UHD TVs and vice versa.

You don't need a UHD TV to get some benefit from Neo, but once people have one there will be an extra temptation to upgrade their TV to get UHD gaming and movies.

I've said it before, but the market cares more about resolution than framerate. If that wasn't the case you'd see more 60fps games now.

2 of the best selling franchise are 60fps.
Besides, Neo suppose to market for enthusiast, those are very framerate sensitive crowd.

 

[gofreak]

I just can't understand sony's stance at this point.
I mean, Why 4k upsaceld gaming is so importent to them? Mendate games in 1080p/60fps sounds like a way better selling point to me. I also got the impression that a lot of people here were loud about 60fps being importent for them.

I'm guessing market research suggests framerate is simply not that important a factor. No one has ever mandated a minimum framerate on a platform outside of scenarios where its needed for physical comfort, like VR. Platform holders have otherwise left the choice to developers.

If it is that important, developers will serve that demand. As is, it seems to turn out it's important for the audience of some types of game and not for others. In some cases people seem to prefer richer fidelity to framerate. If that is the case it makes sense to leave it to the developer to decide for their game.

Neo will give PS4 developers more capability than ever to hit 60fps if that's what they want for their game.

 

[AltissimaRatio]

so after one Day of noleaks i feel empty inside...

 

[Cc23830]

Came here expecting awesome leaks,
Sat watching a gif of coffee eating sugar for 10minutes

 

[Theman2k]

I'm guessing market research suggests framerate is simply not that important a factor. No one has ever mandated a minimum framerate on a platform outside of scenarios where its needed for physical comfort, like VR. Platform holders have otherwise left the choice to developers.

If it is that important, developers will serve that demand. As is, it seems to turn out it's important for the audience of some types of game and not for others. In some cases people seem to prefer richer fidelity to framerate. If that is the case it makes sense to leave it to the developer to decide for their game.

Neo will give PS4 developers more capability than ever to hit 60fps if that's what they want for their game.

I guess that better graphics sell more to the casual dudebro then smooth gameplay.
Thats why Insomniac made 30fps Ratchet game.

It's just so sad. You actually need to wait a gen to play a remaster with 60fps.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

I just can't understand sony's stance at this point.
I mean, Why 4k upsaceld gaming is so importent to them? Mendate games in 1080p/60fps sounds like a way better selling point to me. I also got the impression that a lot of people here were loud about 60fps being importent for them.

Because the want to market Neo as a 4k console, it's as easy as that. 4k is also the main differentiator between Neo and PS4 Slim.

 

[kyser73]

Nerdleaks got ninja'd.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Nerdleaks got ninja'd.

PlayStation4 Germany ‏@PS4Germany 20h20 hours ago
@Nerd_Leaks Hi.

Seemed very ominous, I thought.

 

[Backfoggen]

Seemed very ominous, I thought.

That account needs to change its name. It's a fan account.

 

[MilkyJoe]

That account needs to change its name. It's a fan account.

Oh right, not official then. In which case.. fook knows. For the best though. They flat out ruin people's good time.

 

[bitbydeath]

Starring Kaz Hirai, Mark Cerny and Adam Sandler.

Hot Tub Cerny Machine : Revenge of the Knack

 

[PhantomVash808]

I can't wait to see Red Dead 3

Spoiler

I'm hoping

 

[geordiemp]

I think Sony suffering internal power struggle between department, mainly between US HQ and Japan.
Japan studio game don't get the marketing budget, GTS get delay, US studio not on board with VR which seems to be mainly push by Shuhei, departure of Adam, Shu get off the camera etc are the signs.
I think SIEJ still salty about HQ moved to US and hardware team in Japan not cooperate with WWS, not adjusting the design base on Devs demand, Neo have no focus, it's a disaster and mark the downfall of Playstation.

Spoiler

Just try to start some fresh conversation. Tired of recycle topic.

Maybe in the Ps3 era everybody would have had these thoughts...

But for Ps4 Cerny came in and Sony changed to be focused on western markets and developer needs to make a console fit for their biggest markets. Seems business 101 and a 'duh' moment but it was a big change.

Sony would be crazy to go back to their old ways, dont buy it even if it would be interesting to observe. Hopefully Sony sat down with Cerny and devs and made the right choices, which to me is a lowest cost possible slim and the best performing 'option' in the Neo that the technology and costs allow in a bigger well cooled box - if that means waiting until jan / feb for zen lite or whatever then hopefully Sony play the mid and not short game..

Lets face it there are 2 main console consumer profiles, one that wants value, and one that wants performance but in the console space. Sony must not get them crossed over or confused.

I believe for a performance Neo Sony need to think about the CPU performance, memory bus bandwidth, the hard drive interface speed (SATA 3) and the cooling so they can go with aggressive clocks.

 

[videogamephilosopher]

Thunderbolt 3 in psneo for additive power. You want gt sport in 4k buy 2 playstation neo's stack them and link them. But Seriously I am expecting around 4.0 TF anything more is great.

 

[Raylan]

That account needs to change its name. It's a fan account.

He won't. It's the reason why he has over 10k followers.

 

[Backfoggen]

He won't. It's the reason why he has over 10k followers.

Oh, I know why that name is used.

 

[User123456]

buy 2 playstation neo's stack them

If nothing else, the amount of "cake layers" would be a hilarious sight.

 

[valkillmore]

We are getting a GTA V Neo launch trailer aren't we? Fuck yes I hope so.

 

[Carn82]

Why 4k upsaceld gaming is so importent to them?

Why was having a bluray player in the PS3 so important to Sony? Because they have a big stake in that medium.

Same with "4K" .. Sony has a lot of business riding on 4K/UHD content. TVs, bluray players, their own movie production (Sony Pictures is huge), streaming service, etc.

imho; Neo is -mostly- a 4K content trojan horse first; and an updated PS4 second.

 

[Primethius]

I guess that better graphics sell more to the casual dudebro then smooth gameplay.
Thats why Insomniac made 30fps Ratchet game.

It's just so sad. You actually need to wait a gen to play a remaster with 60fps.

I think, just from a developer perspective, I'm not sure why a mandated requirement for 60FPS is a good thing at all. Or any other such requirements that aren't based in some sort requirement for player health and so on.

Developers having as few as possible arbitrary restrictions placed on them by manufacturers, the better it is for the industry and gamers is my thought process.

 

[AltissimaRatio]

If nothing else, the amount of "cake layers" would be a hilarious sight.

iam happy to Quote myself here.. i mocked up the mockup of xenorevlis even further for extrapower !

for the Players...

comes with a hose and adapter for Hairdryer Action

 

[xenorevlis]

If nothing else, the amount of "cake layers" would be a hilarious sight.

Well, I've seen (and participated in making) a stack of 4 PS4s. If there is really multiple layers in the design of the PS4 Neo, looking forward to a stack!

 

[AltissimaRatio]

I think Nerd Leaks just wanted to stay relevant

but they achieved the absolut contrary... should change Name to "noleaks"

 

[bidguy]

We are getting a GTA V Neo launch trailer aren't we? Fuck yes I hope so.

that would be dissapointing as hell

red dead 3 or rdr remastered would be my guess

 

[whiteape]

We are getting a GTA V Neo launch trailer aren't we? Fuck yes I hope so.

that would be dissapointing as hell

red dead 3 or rdr remastered would be my guess

Are there any rumors Rockstar will show something on the event?

 

[User123456]

that would be dissapointing as hell

red dead 3 or rdr remastered would be my guess

NiOh 1080p60 or an Ace Combat 7 VR+NEO demo and I'll pre-order one immediately.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

We are getting a GTA V Neo launch trailer aren't we? Fuck yes I hope so.

Fuck GTAV. 3 year old game that every one and their dog has played and bought twice.

NiOh 1080p60 or an Ace Combat 7 VR+NEO demo and I'll pre-order one immediately.

Nioh is already 1080/60fps...but it looks bad that way.

 

[User123456]

Nioh is already 1080/60fps...but it looks bad that way.

Thought high FPS mode also dropped the resolution? Or is this no longer the case in the beta? Sorry, I don't have a PS4.

 

[iboshow]

Thought high FPS mode also dropped the resolution? Or is this no longer the case in the beta? Sorry, I don't have a PS4.

the target is 1080p/60fps but you can chose if you want better visuals or locked frame rate. so in practice i assume 900p/60fps

 

[Primethius]

Fuck GTAV. 3 year old game that every one and their dog has played and bought twice.



Nioh is already 1080/60fps...but it looks bad that way.

Is the new beta any better FPS wise then the alpha? The alpha had a horrible time maintaining 60 FPS.

What I'm trying to say is... a Neo mode that gives me 1080p/60fps locked for Nioh... that's a system seller!

 

[wapplew]

Is the new beta any better FPS wise then the alpha? The alpha had a horrible time maintaining 60 FPS.

What I'm trying to say is... a Neo mode that gives me 1080p/60fps locked for Nioh... that's a system seller!

I think if Neo mode give any games 1080p/60fps locked is the system seller.

 

[Backfoggen]

the target is 1080p/60fps but you can chose if you want better visuals or locked frame rate. so in practice i assume 900p/60fps

Nioh goes down to 720p in action mode or whatever it's called

 

[Monty Mole]

no that's not the reason. Because developers lock the frame rate at 30fps.

And why do you think they lock the frame rate at 30fps?

 

[iboshow]

And why do you think they lock the frame rate at 30fps?

Because some games don't need 60fps, and visuals over fps.

 

[kyser73]

I want Wip3outVR Neo mode at 120fps.

 

[ACX]

Do we know yet if the leaked PS4 slim has had the die shrink to 14/16nm?

 

[Raiden1018]

What are the recent spec leaks wapplew mentioned?