gundamkyoukai
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Nah that would depend on the game .
For eg i think something like DC could hit 60fps with neo .
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Nah that would depend on the game .
For eg i think something like DC could hit 60fps with neo .
Saberus
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Of course its going to be more powerful than Neo, its 12-14 months away, its only early development right now, with that kind of extra development window. If its not more powerful than Neo, they will never hear the end of it.
But Neo will be now, and I'm sure it will be amazing.
Makoto-Yuki
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Yep. No doubt about it. However neo should be out soon. Later this year or early next. Scorpio won't release until fall 17. So until then the neo will be the most powerful console.
I'm not interested in buying another xbox again since microsoft are bringing their games to pc. While they arent the full versions halo 5 and forza 6 is on pc. Horizon 3 is coming too. Those were my favourite games. I have a pc that is already more powerful than what scorpio will be so there is no point in me getting one. However i hope to get a ps4 neo to play exclusives with better visuals and performance.
Yeah you dont say...but i was asking based on any info or rumors we knew but thanks for your helpful comment
I guess if you're worried about specs, just wait for the next iteration of PS4 after Neo. The PS4 Neo...Geo.
Irishonion
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I should start shopping some 4k tvs.
Saberus
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Dreaming of Big cartridges right now...
4.2TF last we heard.
We're still at the leaked specs from april, that were already supposedly final specs. I just want them to upclock the CPU by .1 or down .1 and we're set.
Yep, but that is to be expected considering Scorpio is coming out next year. If they launched a full year later and weaker than NEO, it would be a feat of engineering fail so bad, they would be laughed out of the industry. Atleast with the PS3, Sony had a complicated architecture to fall back on as an excuse
TetraGenesis
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God bless you, Venom Fox.
Jose92
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Mostly graphics representation is unrelated to Cpu power it is more limited by Gpu power, what is limiting the ps4 of the golden 60 fps in games is not the gpu tied side but the cpu tied side.
Physics, a.i, sound reverberation, and spatial interaction of objects are all examples of cpu tasks, these kind of things are limited by the IPC which is in turn is dictated by the clock speed and architecture of the Cpu. Hence, although if the neo increases the clock speed of the Jaguar 8 cores. The processor's IPC is inherently low, which means even if you clock it to 2.2 Ghz the PS4 neo would be still limited by its CPU and now even more if the rumours of a 5TF GPU are true.
You can take for example all driving simulators this generation whenever you crank up the number of cars per track you start seeing the FPS dwindling below the target FPS.
TetraGenesis
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You acknowledge you have a problem, right?
wapplew
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OK. So devs need to downgrade the A.I, the CPU bound things to archive 60fps on Neo.
you're welcome. thanks for stopping by
Saberus
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Well, with GPU compute they can run CPU tasks off the GPU.. how much would be the question and will it only be 1st party that seem can put the time into that.
We should just make our own console. Fuck the Neo.
Yep, its luckily isolated to a relative few ticks, or else it would be a real issue in my daily life xD
The neo was always designed with enhancing the 4K push with greater visual fidelity and effects. Visual enhancements relating to IQ such a resolution are a huge part of that, that's why they prioritized the GPU upgrade over everything else.
FPS is way down the list, but because of the upclock, you'll get much stabler framerates than PS4 by default.
Jose92
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They need to design their games' A.I suiting the available power, One aspect of game design that have stagnated for a while is A.I. For example if the ps4 and xbox one shipped with an i-5 equivalent cpu then you would see many current targeting 60 fps games actually hitting their target with better, smarter, and more interactive A.I. But this could not be achieved at the time, as both console creaters wanted to derive from unique architectures and adopt a more familiar x86 cpu arch and amd offered the best deal.Sadly like everything else in life eye-candy sells.
And what i mean by even more is that, although you have nearly a 2.8x gpu you still have a bad cpu which means that the only thing the neo can provide if they use the same cpu. Is better graphics setting,resolution, and higher frame rate in gpu tied situations. Otherwise the cpu bump will only give of the maximum of a 5fps increase in the worst cpu tied situations.
Saberus
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Its called a PC
My PC was beast like 4 years ago. Now I'm too drunk and careless to upgrade it. I'm out of control Gaf, just gimme Neo leaks!
funkystudent
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Wonder if Watch Dogs 2 is going to be a decent chunk of the show.
Sony got the timed exclusive DLC and marketing but the game hasnt been at any Sony shows so far.
Sony got the timed exclusive DLC and marketing but the game hasnt been at any Sony shows so far.
I would bet that and CoD are going to get a big showcase.
katsubento
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You go do that.
what is in the neo?
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duhmetree
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a CPU not from 2013.
-ImaginaryInsider
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They don't have a lot of options this year, it's Jaguar-based regardless.
Compared to the 360's CPU we were stuck with for the better part of a decade, a mildly upclocked Jaguar is a step up.
bitbydeath
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You'll take your hamburger and you'll like it!
GravityInsanity
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Does the Neo comes with fries?
duhmetree
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no... just the secret sauce...
recklesscognition
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After some research of old regulatory stuff, I am placing my bet confidently the slim will launch on Oct. 13, 2016 alongside PSVR and the Neo will launch on or shortly after than Nov. 10th, 2016.
GAFmeansLIFE
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This post has me hyped! Destroy me Neo!
I'm glad to see the new drawing from the factory. I hope they do go with three thin layers like that it looks really good. To our artist in the factory: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DRAW THE BACK SO WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S AN OPTICAL PORT!
people are already buying slims! I bet the slim is out early September
TetraGenesis
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No way. The slim is releasing no more than a week after the meeting. There are so many out in the wild already. They wouldn't sit on those for a month and a half.
Jose92
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nah this is illogical as it will destroy the advantage of having a unified memory pool, unless they change the whole system architecture .
vpance
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People don't want to keep buying software over and over and over again....put BC in the neo please.
I'm not buying a "4k" console that can upres my ps4 games and make the fps better and can play 4k movies....I don't own a 4k tv nor do I care to buy one right now they are way to pricey. Maybe down the road sure but right now nope. Sony needs to give the consumer a reason to buy the neo over there current ps4 because there are 40 million ps4 users and I can guarantee 2% only care about the neo. The rest just wanna play their ps4 games.
recklesscognition
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The only other way they do this earlier is if they're using a shell company to push through their regulatory work. They have in the past, so I wouldn't put it past them.
Slim is "available now" material, retailers are getting the units already.
Neo is October/November. Wouldn't be surprised with the latter so that they can stockpile more units and more games supporting it will be available at launch although I'd really like to play The Last Guardian directly on Neo.
recklesscognition
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Actually, now that I think about it, they may have used a shell company to take care of the slim approvals and then used their own for the Neo, which would make more sense since they are likely just ramping up towards full product of the Neo after they got through the FCC earlier in August.
That would put Neo on track for the side-by-side launch with PSVR or later depending on sales projections and how much stock they need.
I bet less than 2% of of the 40 million PS4 owners care about PS3 BC
in fact way more care about better graphics than playing PS3 games
TetraGenesis
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It doesn't matter what you "want", it matters what you do. And consumers have proved more than willing to buy the same software over and over. So companies will continue to sell the same software. Over and over.
And another point: If you think prettier graphics and better performance isn't giving "the consumer a reason to buy the neo over there [sic] current PS4," but backwards compatibility is, you do not have your finger on the pulse of the market like you think you do.
Jack The Nipper
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If the power difference is enough, maybe we see a few more on Xbox than we have so far.
Well have to wait and see the difference first and how it translates to sales.
Someone will want to focus on a highest of high end game if a difference is there?
It would still be a unified memory pool . when I said RX 480 I didn't mean the actual card I'm talking about the chip that's being used for Neo that has the same specs of the RX 480 but clocked lower
It would be Base mode 1.84TF , Neo 4.2TF , Neo Dual Graphics 6.04TF
Edit: but then again the APU might also have it's CU's clocked at 911Mhz in Neo mode so it would be 6.29TF in dual mode
If the Neo isn't launching until November, then I don't get Andrew House's comments about Apple-like release schedule. A 2 month gap from announcement to release isn't "Apple-like."
Maybe he was talking about the PS4 slim because it looks like that is definitely releasing in September.
Maybe he was talking about the PS4 slim because it looks like that is definitely releasing in September.
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