Chris_Rivera
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If they can do 900p/60fps, then they can absolutely do 1080p or higher 60fps w/ Neo.
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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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If they can do 900p/60fps, then they can absolutely do 1080p or higher 60fps w/ Neo.
wapplew
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But most game run 1080/30. They said Neo is more likely to make 1080/30 into 1440 or higher/30 but cannot do 1080/60.
Raiden1018
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Do you guys think we'll see TLOU2 there?
OrbitalBeard
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Sure they do. People have no issue re-buying great games. If they did, the market for remasters would have died years ago. PS3 BC is a waste of Sony's time.
GravityInsanity
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You should only expect a Last of Us 2 announcement at E3.
OrbitalBeard
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I genuinely cannot remember the last Naughty Dog game announced at E3.
Uncharted 1, maybe?
justsomeguy
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Misterxmedia is that you?!
GravityInsanity
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Most of their games have been announced at the VGA's. I don't see that happening anymore since they have Playstation Experience now. Could be there or E3.
OrbitalBeard
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I believe the only ND game announced at the VGAs was The Last of Us.
Edit - U3 is interesting, because it was "unveiled" at the VGAs but confirmed by Naughty Dog in Entertainment Weekly a couple days prior.
Raiden1018
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Yeah I think it was UC1 back at the Ps3 reveal I think.
I expect it to be announced at PSX or this thing
GravityInsanity
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Uncharted 2 wasn't announced at the VGA's?
OrbitalBeard
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Game Informer.
MilkyJoe
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So a second gpu? Where have we heard that before?
Primethius
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I find that initial comment a bit funny as I'm buying Resident Evil 4 for like the 5th or 6th time now.
And I like BC as well, but I much rather prefer if the manufacturers put some more effort in emulating the titles (using the new consoles performance). That's one factor that'll always be in favor of buying a remaster of a great game.
GravityInsanity
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With the iconic Drake hanging on the train I see. 2009 was a great year of games. When COD and Assassin's Creed were actually good.
family_guy
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That's not a hardware limitation. It's a design choice. If they are targeting 30 fps for the standard PS4 then just upping the resolution for Neo is the minimum amount of effort. Neo can do 1080p at 60 if they want to do the work.
StrongBlackVine
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No. They have not even announced the single player DLC for Uncharted 4 yet. I could see that possibly being there.
Bitch Pudding
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We have new drawings from the worker::
That looks really cool! I bet there will be a blue LED line on the front on the upper notch.
Hey, seems like I was right for once. Who wants to tell my wife?
wapplew
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How is that not a hardware limitation if devs need to put more time to make standard PS4 games run in 60fps compare to minimum effort to up resolution?
If the CPU is powerful enough for devs to up frame with equally minimum effort, then it's a design choice.
Backfoggen
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Going back to CD-ROM, nice.
And thank god Neo doesn't have the weird gap teeth USB ports.
And thank god Neo doesn't have the weird gap teeth USB ports.
KennyLinder
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Nintendo Super Disc built-in.
you don't understand how game development works
Raiden1018
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Not quite. disc drive and power are off
Daffy Duck
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Reading this thread I just can't help but think people are setting themselves up for crushing disappointment.
-ImaginaryInsider
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The 5.5 teraflop/Zen-lite/Duel GPU folks for sure.
wapplew
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Already disappointed, can't get any worst.
Primethius
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It's kinda crazy when I think about it. Scorpio really did a number.
I mean, we don't even have a good idea of how console games will look at 4.2TF of power. Yet, some will be disappointed regardless if it doesn't land above 5 TF.
wapplew
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Not true. We have good idea on how multiplat will look on console with 4.2TF or higher.
It can't do 60fps (unless the game already at 60fps on PS4) nor native 4K, it's a disappointment.
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Primethius
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wapplew
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Yes. The best games can look on Neo/Scorpio is ultra on PC version.
We have a pretty good idea.
If devs go for 1080/60 what gain does 0,8TF really have? Cant imagine there will be a huge difference. I rather have the Neo this year than Sony trying to squeze more power and delay til next year
StrongBlackVine
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So I guess you won't be buying one then?
Just more trolling. Nothing important.
Primethius
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Okay, yea, we have an idea for multiplats but not really the Sony stuff. And those are the games that are really going to look heads and shoulders above most other stuff, should they utilize the power.
wapplew
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From take my money regardless to will decide after the presentation.
MilkyJoe
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Your drive is on the wrong tier, I'll call your wife and tell her to pack her shit, she deserves better.
Bitch Pudding
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Yeah, someone should really do that.
Btw, I was only referring to the LED bar, the picture w/o it was drawn by artsi.
StrongBlackVine
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Not sure what this means. It depends on improvements to Bloodborne?
wapplew
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I don't know, maybe Inuhanyou dehype me, I don't care about it now.
Let's hope Sony make me care again in 7th.
I agree with sjfen.
I know its a very unpopular and controversial thing to say around here, but i actually think Sony could have gone farmore conservative with the GPU and balanced out the components a little more.
3.26 TFLOP Polaris GPU by intentionally underclocking the GPU significantly
2.4 GHZ Jaguar CPU by overclocking
8 GB GDDR5 218/gbs would essentially stay the same.
Digging into it, if Sony wanted to, they could have set 1080p as the main target res just like the PS4, and used the extra headroom to overclock the CPU to its maximum potential clock.
Perhaps then the framerates would have gotten closer to what the FPS people wanted it to be, and there would still have been tons of GPU power left to push ultra settings on all games with great AA to boot with locked 1080p res for all games, and been pretty power efficient for the upgrade.
Hell, if they wanted higher resolutions, they could have just lowered the graphical settings closer to current PS4.
As it stands now, we might be getting a 10 pound heavy ass unit with supposedly a much bigger PSU just because the overkill GPU needs the extra space in a specific form factor to not set on fire, at the sacrifice of the CPU being clocked at an uneven and weird number, not even getting to the highest it can be clocked, and this is all on 14nm.
I don't doubt Sony researched whatever they came up with in the end, but i still think all that GPU power is unnecessary and a waste for a clear upgrade to PS4 tied to the same constraints, and will show more clearly the imbalance of the CPU too.
I know its a very unpopular and controversial thing to say around here, but i actually think Sony could have gone farmore conservative with the GPU and balanced out the components a little more.
3.26 TFLOP Polaris GPU by intentionally underclocking the GPU significantly
2.4 GHZ Jaguar CPU by overclocking
8 GB GDDR5 218/gbs would essentially stay the same.
Digging into it, if Sony wanted to, they could have set 1080p as the main target res just like the PS4, and used the extra headroom to overclock the CPU to its maximum potential clock.
Perhaps then the framerates would have gotten closer to what the FPS people wanted it to be, and there would still have been tons of GPU power left to push ultra settings on all games with great AA to boot with locked 1080p res for all games, and been pretty power efficient for the upgrade.
Hell, if they wanted higher resolutions, they could have just lowered the graphical settings closer to current PS4.
As it stands now, we might be getting a 10 pound heavy ass unit with supposedly a much bigger PSU just because the overkill GPU needs the extra space in a specific form factor to not set on fire, at the sacrifice of the CPU being clocked at an uneven and weird number, not even getting to the highest it can be clocked, and this is all on 14nm.
I don't doubt Sony researched whatever they came up with in the end, but i still think all that GPU power is unnecessary and a waste for a clear upgrade to PS4 tied to the same constraints, and will show more clearly the imbalance of the CPU too.
It depends entirely on where the game's framerate is bound. If a game is GPU bound to 30fps on a standard PS4, it's possible it could hit 60 on Neo if the CPU frame time is ~21-22ms or less on PS4 standard (assuming the rumoured CPU upclock). If the new GPU can bring efficiencies to CPU render threads the possibilities there might be greater.
It sounds like you're looking for simple, universal answers wapple, negative or positive. Nobody can give you that. The benefits at 1080p will vary from game to game. I'm pretty sure you will see a fairly decent number of games go to 60fps on Neo that aren't on standard.
I think some won't be happy unless they are disappointed. It's like they're dying to know and prematurely jumping to any conclusion is better than not knowing.
Unfortunately for them, the announcement may only be the beginning. Whilst I expect we will get an initial idea of what's on the table in terms of software enhancements, it may take a while to derive general trends on how games will typically benefit on Neo - if any typical trends emerge at all.
Bitch Pudding
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We have new drawings from the worker::
Come to think of it, isn't it a little suspicious that there's only a "PS4" logo on the front? Seems odd to me. If this thing has a tag like Neo or whatever it should be displayed on the front instead of just "PS4".
What is he replying too?
SolidSnakex
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Some guy tweeted Yoshida saying that his friend told him that the Wii U was going to be more powerful than the PS4.
family_guy
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I'll use last gen ports as an example. The Last of Us went from 720p at 30fps to 1080p at 60fps. On the other hand, Dishonored went from 720p at 30fps to 1080p at 30fps. Do you think it's really a hardware limitation that Dishonored doesn't run at 60fps?
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