PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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PeterLegend
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New hardware announcements is always exciting, especially if launch is in a month or two.
Its gonna be funny because there are going to be two reactions. Either people will be dissapointed with specs or fairly happy with specs lol
Its gonna be funny because there are going to be two reactions. Either people will be dissapointed with specs or fairly happy with specs lol
exactly If it was just the slim, they would have just had a conference at gamescom or something
PodcastFips
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I hope people don't get too excited, because I fully expect a show similar to the initial PS4 reveal in February 2013.
"Hey, thanks for buying PS4s, here's and even better one so you can continue buying. God of War looks unreal, doesn't it? Box design and more information will follow in March 2017. Bye."
"Hey, thanks for buying PS4s, here's and even better one so you can continue buying. God of War looks unreal, doesn't it? Box design and more information will follow in March 2017. Bye."
SunDimension24
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Everything will be the same. The ecosystem is still the same, the games are the same, the only difference is there will be a machine that will improve some previous games( and games in the future) due to extra hardware. So all digital games will carry with your account between both systems.
LowParry
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Okay cool. Haven't really been following the Neo so this makes it good with our digital purchases then.
vpance
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5.5TF at $499 strikes the perfect balance I think.
Something tells me they might miss the mark a bit and make it $549 though. And many people will be crying hard here if that happens.
Why $549 when you can go $599 again?!
Why 599 when you can go 699 with 2TB HDD? I mean it is premium as a unit after all, price ranges dont exist, they dont care if it sells 1 unit
Seriously, some of you guys have no idea how to price electronics to make them viable as products
What kind of sorcery is this? It reminded me of N64's microcode...
It will be used on the system level for sound & VR stuff but hopefully devs can do somethings with it too. maybe middle ware companies will use it for physic engines & things like that. Enlighten come to mind as something that should take advantage of this.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcode
i think they'd get tons of backlash with that price too, cause of the XB1's original price.
Increasing PS+'s price without any tangible benefit or concession for that increase is already having people call Sony arrogant and cocky again.
I think 449 would be the absolute limit for the tolerance of most core people looking at the NEO, and even then would have to come with something above 500GB HDD.
$799 with a 1TB SSD.
Because there isn't a cheaper alternative for people that just want the latest games?
Well, I will have to agree with you. I'd say there are three possibilities for price (in USD).
lowest: $399
middle: $449
highest: $499
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The cheaper alternative for people just wanting to play the latest games (and don't care about improved graphics, 4K, HDR, etc) would be the PS4 Slim.
Xenoflare
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Didn't the AV9G leak mentioned that all of the HDD size for the supposed Neo is 1TB?
449 seems the reasonable price.
Hopefully that means less than 599 in Canada.
Having a super budget level PS4 is not an excuse to price the NEO out of affordability for everyone but the most enthusiast. Get it through your heads folks. Sony are trying to sell people on 4K and blu ray capabilities, they are not going to sell it for as high as a 4K blu ray player itself
Precisely my point. But I do agree that $500 is the upper limit for a lot of people.
vatstep
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I'm saying $399. I just can't see them pricing it above the original PS4. Obviously it's a more powerful machine but it's still the same platform that was released three years ago. The average consumer might not understand these incremental/non-generational upgrades... yet.
I like that pricing system. But it sure is a whole lot of sku's to be clunking up their retail section in a store.
Raiden1018
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Sony's gonna pull another E3 2006 on us:
FIVE-HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE U.S. DOLLARS.
FIVE-HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE U.S. DOLLARS.
I'm hoping it's $499. This isn't a product for the mass market, it's for the enthusiasts. Someone willing to pay $449 is going to be willing to pay $499. The Neo should also only be one SKU - 1TB, if you want more, just upgrade it yourself.
500 GB Slim $249 and 1TB $299 is good.
Neo should be double the price of the Slim. Price conscious consumers buy the Slim, if they want the best, they splurge for the Neo.
500 GB Slim $249 and 1TB $299 is good.
Neo should be double the price of the Slim. Price conscious consumers buy the Slim, if they want the best, they splurge for the Neo.
Woodchipper
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This.
funkystudent
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It would be kind of dumb if the PS4 slim is not cheaper then the XB1 slim and all its 4K stuff.
I think 279 would be the highest they can go. Then 399 for the NEO. Its a decent gap inline with last years versus this years ipad gap.
Sony can be that dumb sometimes. I can see 299 for the slim and 450 for the neo.
The way I see it...
If the slim is 299 then the neo is over 400 and probably 450
If the slim is sub 299 then the neo is 399
I think 279 would be the highest they can go. Then 399 for the NEO. Its a decent gap inline with last years versus this years ipad gap.
Sony can be that dumb sometimes. I can see 299 for the slim and 450 for the neo.
The way I see it...
If the slim is 299 then the neo is over 400 and probably 450
If the slim is sub 299 then the neo is 399
MrOogieBoogie
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I know we don't have specs yet but what are the chances the Neo comes close to the performance to something like an i5-6500 + 1060 GTX?
If it sells at 299 they aren't stupid at all. If people are willing to pay that price it doesn't matter.
I highly doubt the 4k stuff is going to register to people buying a cheaper console.
The fact PS4 has consistently outsold the X1 despite its higher price tag kind of contradicts your theory. I'd say $299 and it'll still outsell its main competitor.
It's not dumb to maximize profits.
It is dumb to ignore what's happened the last three years and think HDR is a big deal to the mass market.
Considering how much losses MS has been eating with the original Xbone by having it perpetually on sale, I think it's Microsoft who is desperately trying to move units with the low price point while Sony makes a tidy profit off their hardware. I wouldn't be surprised if the slim costs the same as the S.
Omnistalgic
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This is too many options man...bigger HDD can be easily swapped out yourself, I think, especially at launch, just one SKU per console. Sony does the bigger ones with special edition launches.
vpance
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I would put the chances of it being $399 at 5%. Sorry dude.
Jaguar isn't coming close to an i3, let alone an i5. As for the 1060, it would theoretically be close since the 480 is close to the 1060, since the PS4 has the same level of CU's and running the same architecture.
But Sony have downclocked the GPU from where it would need to be to hit that level.
To hit the 1060's level, the 480 is 5tflops, but the PS4 NEO's GPU is 4.2tflops.
One could say it would be kind of dumb if the Xbox One S isn't cheaper than the PS4 slim with its 18 Compute Units and stuff.
The PS4 has better market value - it sells much better being $50 more expensive. They're not going to suddenly have to undercut the Xbox because of 4K Bluray playback of all things.
Anyway, my guess is a $299 PS4 Slim (500Gb) and a $399 PS4 Neo (1TB).
Hands down the best montage they've done.
Insane Metal
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Yeah, personally, I think this will go for $499, as it will be deemed as a 'Premium Console' and will have no competition (for now).
Then i will say 249 for slim and 399 for NEO. 449 max for NEO.
Don't see Sony being dumb enough to price this thing out of the marketplace just because some seem to think people won't raise a shitstorm just cause the slim is around.
What some people calling for 499, 549 and other insane prices have to understand about the NEO, is that people looking to upgrade from OG PS4 are not interested in the slim by and large, but also don't want to pay huge ass prices for what amounts to a marginal upgrade to play the same games, these units are for different markets entirely and don't really overlap.
You can say "well they don't have to upgrade if they dont feel its worth it!" But that's not going to fly as an argument for a portion of those 40 million users who would be alienated, who want to upgrade but are stuck with paying significantly more for this unit than the original PS4 they bought that has already significantly lost its price value.
If the leaked specs are true, they are essentially only paying for a shiny new case and a marginally better GPU with some marginal upclocks to CPU and RAM, not enough at all to price this thing that high, the 480 as a GPU aint that pricey, its a mid range GPU.
serversurfer
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So basically, you want it to suck enough that nobody really wants it especially you and you also want it to be affordable in case you do want it. Sure, that seems like a reasonable set of design goals for Sony.
recklesscognition
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Would he cool of we could have a Neo setting manually selecting quality like PC. I'd rather play a 30fps ultra gorgeous game than anything 60fps.
Super curious if this extra feature is legit and what it is.
Also hoping for name changes for psn. Coming I think but not sure when.
Super curious if this extra feature is legit and what it is.
Also hoping for name changes for psn. Coming I think but not sure when.
Hawk269
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As long as the specs are the rumored 4.2tf, I will be fine. If it is more than 4.2tf then that would be icing on the cake. For me however, it is all about the release date. If we go through a whole song and dance routine and then they say March 2017 that is for me what would be disappointing. Even though I have a very high end gaming PC, I still love playing my consoles and it would be FANTASTIC to have a home console that is at minimum 4.2tf and what that would mean for console gaming.
So come Wednesday, for me the biggest news story will be the release date, specs are not as important unless they dropped the specs well below the 4.2tf. So the breakdown for me really is (in priority order)
1. Release date
2. New games that take advantage of specs
2. Existing games that take advantage of specs
3. Specs
4. Price
My schedule worked out where I am off on Wednesday, so got nothing planned other than playing some games and then watching this and then reading Gaf for a bit.
Raiden1018
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I was thinking the same thing
He's said as much several times.
Remember he's the one that thinks that the leaked specs are too high and doesn't want an upgrade because he doesn't want to be tempted to buy it.
Getting my bets in before the week begins:
- The new slim PS4 will get more than passing attention. The success of the PS4 and software lineup past and future will be highlighted alongside hardware refinements like the >30% size reduction and improved WiFi. The accompanying price reduction won't be as extreme as many here would predict, most likely dropping to $299. If Sony's feeling aggressive the new retail price could be $279 but $249 is wishful thinking and $199 simply isn't realistic just yet. Availability could be immediate, definitely within a week or two.
- PSVR will be covered with one last look at the launch lineup and prominent launch window titles. No change to pricing or launch date, and any changes to Move or Camera will be minimal. Sony will emphasize that the 40 million existing owners can add PSVR as an affordable path to a compelling VR experience.
- PS4 Neo will be unveiled last with a focus on taking advantage of new display technologies. Sony will emphasize wide color gamut and high dynamic range as much as resolution. Side-by-side footage or screen shots will be shown magnified and gamut normalized to demonstrate the differences. There will be one noteworthy hardware feature that wasn't leaked which Sony has been carefully hiding, and I have only wild guesses about what that could be. We'll see current and already announced titles, but we'll also get at least one software significant announcement. Pricing is harder to pin down. I'll put my guess at $499 with availability no later than mid-November, but probably no earlier than PSVR's launch.
$999 with a free limb and The Last of Us Re-Remastered in 4K
Day one.
Sounds like it, doesn't make any sense.
I'll second this prediction as it's one of the few that is realistic.
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