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[EGOMON]

In my opinion, Microsoft can't deliver the same quality games Sony can. Other then Halo, Gears en Forza....there isn't really something special. Also those games i mention aren't that special anymore..not even graphically.

I agree, MS could make 10TF $500 xbox and I wouldn't buy it simply because their exclusive doesn't appeal to me I am too invested in SONY's console and I don't feel am missing anything by being in one platform since I jumped to PS1 20 years ago

 

[SgtCobra]

People were saying how expensive the PS4 and Vita was going to be when they announced the specs.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514465

Like most of the time the predictions by lots of members in regards to the price and/or specs were dead wrong. Can't wait to see people fall on their face again. I mean, a 499 pricepoint for a machine with those old leaked specs? Okay...

 

[jm89]

How easy is it to develop for neo and port it to the ps4?

Don't want it to be a situation were the ps4 is getting half assed ports from neo or the other way round.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

It's a lot easier to say that than do it though. How many developers are there in the industry? And how many are of Naughty Dog's calibre? It took Naughty Dog a long time to get to where they are now and they've made some missteps along the way (hi Jak 2), they just ended up bringing together the right management and right talent to build themselves up into what they are now, as well as the creative freedom from Sony. Personally, I'm not sure Microsoft even put their studios in positions to "become" Naughty Dog's, let alone have the management/talent to do it.

I'm not talking about creating a studio that happens to magically become as talented as Naughty Dog overnight. I'm talking about investing in an internal studio dedicated to creating new, narrative-focused IP.

 

[Lockjaw333]

Well, I guess I'll give my official prediction now that we are a few days out.

- PS4 Slim: $249, 500 GB HD, available day of the conference

- PS4 Neo: $399, same specs as previously leaked, release for first week of November


All OG PS4's on the market will also have price reduction to $249 until inventory is exhausted

- New Read Dead revealed, release early next year, Neo capabilities shown

- Neo capabilities shown with other big games like God of War, Horizon, and a demo of UC4 in Neo mode


Thats all I got. Price points are a lock (if Sony is smart).

 

[Kwansu Dudes]

How easy is it to develop for neo and port it to the ps4?

Don't want it to be a situation were the ps4 is getting half assed ports from neo or the other way round.

I'm fairly certain they'll use PS4 as the base and make improvements from that version to NEO. How much of an improvement remains to be seen.

 

[c0de]

I'm not really sure what we are talking about anymore.

Which is a bit misplaced since: 1) one comes out a year earlier and 2) they both serve different functions.

About the exact same things.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

People can have different opinions?

Nope.

Spoiler

just to make sure: /S

This is not about people having different oppinions. This is about the inevitable shit storm right in front of us. This time, it's not the usual "warriors vs. defense force" shenanigangs as we have users from both "sides" who already doubt that this mid-life-cycle update is any good as well. + We have people who actually think they'll get a Neo for just $399.

So, basically no matter what Sony does, there will be some severe outrage. To avoid that Sony would have to deliever a 5,5 TF console for 399 bucks right away. Which isn't going to happen.

 

[Primethius]

Which is why I say that was a clever announcement, it alter the expectation.
See how many people in this thread said 4.2TF have to be no more than $399 or PS4 Slim have to be $299 or lower because it doesn't have 4K HRD Bluray.
4.2TF was very powerful according to first leak thread, before we know about Scorpio, some reactions was too powerful, now it will be a disappointment.

I think that remains to be seen. I doubt post reveal reactions will be anything like now once we get some visuals.

 

[LiquidSolid]

I'm not talking about creating a studio that happens to magically become as talented as Naughty Dog overnight. I'm talking about investing in an internal studio dedicated to creating new, narrative-focused IP.

Well they only have a handful of internal studios and most of them are dedicated to milking their most popular franchises but while not internally developed, that was clearly what they were hoping Quantum Break would be. Then it bombed.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

I just want more of Dad Kratos and Son of Kratos.

The demo was so good.

 

[Primethius]

About the exact same things.

I'm confused.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

I'm predicting Kutaragi's comeback with PowerXCell 8i downsized to 14nm Finfet overclocked to 5GHz, with 12GB of GDDR5X in a 384 bit bus configuratin (because Cell LOVES bandwith <3). Going into Matrix with style.

Realistically, considering Scorpio's announcment and the leaked weight/thermal constraints of the casing, I think Sony is gunning for 5 TFLOPs Polaris. And I think there could be a surprise on the CPU front, but I'm pretty sure they'll boost GPU from 4.2 TFLOPs.

 

[wapplew]

I think that remains to be seen. I doubt post reveal reactions will be anything like now once we get some visuals.

Agree.
If Scorpio announcement at E3 is MS telling us why we should wait a year, this PS meeting will be Sony telling us why we can't wait.
I'm very confident Sony will show us a very compelling reason to go out and buy Neo right after, whatever spec or price. It will make Xbox fans think waiting for a year is a mistake.

 

[T-0800]

It's a lot easier to say that than do it though. How many developers are there in the industry? And how many are of Naughty Dog's calibre? It took Naughty Dog a long time to get to where they are now and they've made some missteps along the way (hi Jak 2), they just ended up bringing together the right management and right talent to build themselves up into what they are now, as well as the creative freedom from Sony. Personally, I'm not sure Microsoft even put their studios in positions to "become" Naughty Dog's, let alone have the management/talent to do it.

Take that back. Jak 2 is great.

 

[c0de]

I'm confused.

Happens, don't worry.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Take that back. Jak 2 is great.

Nah, he's right about that. Jak II is a mess.

Well they only have a handful of internal studios and most of them are dedicated to milking their most popular franchises but while not internally developed, that was clearly what they were hoping Quantum Break would be. Then it bombed.

Well, my point is that it's not a priority for them internally. I'm not debating whether that's a smart move for them or not, but it does mean we're probably never going to see a single player, narrative-focused game from MS with the level of quality of something from Naughty Dog. MS seems focused on their biggest brands internally with the occasional new IP created with external partners.

Nope it was great.

It's a constant battle between Jak II and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune for the title of ND's worst game with Sony.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

I just want more of Dad Kratos and Son of Kratos.

The demo was so good.

I think they're going to show one or two unannounced titles or titles which haven't been shown on 2016' E3 stage to illustrate the benefits of Neo.

The usual suspects are Dreams, GTS, Deep Down, a Rockstar game and/or that teased Western game (if it's not RDR3).

 

[SgtCobra]

Nah, he's right about that. Jak II is a mess.

Nope it was great.


No but I enjoyed it, I can understand people hating it because it was a lot different compared to the first one.

 

[Ushay]

I'll be on a night shift when this happens so will watch from work

Anyone know how long it is?

 

[Panajev2001a]

I'm fairly certain they'll use PS4 as the base and make improvements from that version to NEO. How much of an improvement remains to be seen.

Hence you would pay for HW that would take years before it gets used well/properly... but by then ooh, PS5 is in the news and hyped and will tempt people... with the cycle happening all over again. This is the future if we go forward compatible iterative consoles...

 

[NuKERxyz]

They have to show some neo games, at least to show the difference. Something like Destiny at 60 frames would put me jumping but most people don't care for 60fps.

 

[c0de]

Hence you would pay for HW that would take years before it gets used well/properly... but by then ooh, PS5 is in the news and hyped and will tempt people... with the cycle happening all over again. This is the future if we go forward compatible iterative consoles...

That actually is a problem. The Neo will always be tied to the base ps4 and can never show off its true potential.
But the same can be said for xbone and pc users know that since many, many years. They always got the console games with better graphic settings.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Which is why I say that was a clever announcement, it alter the expectation.
See how many people in this thread said 4.2TF have to be no more than $399 or PS4 Slim have to be $299 or lower because it doesn't have 4K HRD Bluray.
4.2TF was very powerful according to first leak thread, before we know about Scorpio, some reactions was too powerful, now it will be a disappointment.

Sony should just say that PS5 will have over 10 TFLOPS in 2019-2020... and the age of paper HW announcements just to generate hype has reached the console wars .

 

[Yjynx]

It's a constant battle between Jak II and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune for the title of ND's worst game with Sony.

What a luxury to have....

I love both of them.

 

[benny_a]

That actually is a problem. The Neo will always be tied to the base ps4 and can never show off its true potential.
But the same can be said for xbone and pc users know that since many, many years. They always got the console games with better graphic settings.

Clearly not always.

 

[Turkoop]

any hints of insiders that I missed ?

 

[LiquidSolid]

Well, my point is that it's not a priority for them internally. I'm not debating whether that's a smart move for them or not, but it does mean we're probably never going to see a single player, narrative-focused game from MS with the level of quality of something from Naughty Dog.

Does it really matter if it's not internal?

But yeah, now that Quantum Break has failed, it'll probably be a long time before we see another attempt from them.

It's a constant battle between Jak II and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune for the title of ND's worst game with Sony.

Nonsense! UC1 is a great game.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Does it really matter if it's not internal?

It matters long-term, yeah.

Nonsense! UC1 is a great game.

ha, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that.

 

[DavidDesu]

any hints of insiders that I missed ?

There would have been 20 pages of dissection and regular reccurrences of it... so probably not

 

[mike4001_]

Is there a source for these 5.5 TF "improved specs" I am reading about ?

Because Sony would need a time machine for this ...

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

Is there a source for these 5.5 TF "improved specs" I am reading about ?

Because Sony would need a time machine for this ...

Pretty sure people are just regurgitating an old number Osiris hinted at forever ago.

There have been more compelling arguments for us getting 5 teraflops, but "5.5" is closer to what Scorpio has, hence why that number continues to live on.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

I'm expecting the leaked hardware but with a clock increase to 4.6 - 4.8TF so they can say "nearly 5 teraflops!!!!". That would be good enough to do the job.

Hoping for an entirely different APU seems a bit pie in the sky to me. And the only way they could do that in a short timeframe is if they already had it in testing as a backup plan. Which is possible but seems unlikely.

 

[LiquidSolid]

It matters long-term, yeah.

Sure but this is Microsoft we're talking about. They could have another management shake up in just a couple of years and completely destroy any long term plans. Baby steps.

 

[Danlord]

Pretty sure people are just regurgitating an old number Osiris hinted at forever ago.

There have been more compelling arguments for us getting 5 teraflops, but "5.5" is closer to what Scorpio has, hence why that number continues to live on.

Was the 6TFLOPS supposed spec of Scorpio known at the time of Osiris' post about 5.5 TFLOPS? Just curious.

 

[Swass]

The way I see it...

If the slim is 299 then the neo is over 400 and probably 450
If the slim is sub 299 then the neo is 399

Couldn't agree more, price between Slim and Neo need to be greater than $100 as $100 just isn't enough barrier of entry for people to not just pay the extra money and get the better console especially if the 1080p experience is that much better on the Neo. $120+ and settling for the inferior console becomes a much easier choice.

My prediction is Slim is $279 and Neo is $399, or Slim is $299 and Neo is $449.

This^
Scorpio announcement ruined people's perceptions about Neo spec upgrade.

That's precisely why Microsoft made the Scopio announcement.

 

[The Pope]

any hints of insiders that I missed ?

Nope
Same talk going around Kennylinders and Osirisblacks posts.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

Was the 6TFLOPS supposed spec of Scorpio known at the time of Osiris' post about 5.5 TFLOPS? Just curious.

I believe the tentative Scorpio specs were announced mid-June at E3, the Osiris "5.5 teraflops" thing was late June after E3, so about a week or so after Scorpio.

 

[dEvAnGeL]

Nope
Same talk going around Kennylinders and Osirisblacks posts.

what did they say?>

 

[Nipo]

I agree, MS could make 10TF $500 xbox and I wouldn't buy it simply because their exclusive doesn't appeal to me I am too invested in SONY's console and I don't feel am missing anything by being in one platform since I jumped to PS1 20 years ago

I would. That is much cheaper than upgrading my pc.

 

[Shai-Tan]

I'm definitely buying a Neo and giving the old PS4 to my brother. I'm a little bit worried because my Samsung 4k TV has a ridiculous amount of input lag on it even in the ugly game mode but I never play competitive games on consoles so it should be OK I guess.

 

[McMoneyman]

Nah, he's right about that. Jak II is a mess.

I always thought Jak II was the good game, but Jak 3 was the disappointing one. The desert area was so boring.

 

[SgtCobra]

what did they say?>

Can someone quote those posts? I'm on mobile and can't really find them right know. I only know about that 2 dev kits thing but haven't seen the either.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

any hints of insiders that I missed ?

These are the newest tidbits:

There were requests from internal teams a few months ago to ask for more RAM. I honestly don't know if more is getting added or not.

Exactly. The hardware we got previously was the leaked spec, so anything else additional (if any) will probably be minor anyway.

Well. Specs communicated to developers.

Spoiler

Official come Tuesday.

take this for what it's worth but yesterday talking to little birdie in the know at COD XP, final dev kits wont go out until the Sept 7th reveal and expect NEO to be higher than the original rumored specs. Late September/Early October launch.

I've had a few other winks and nods that NEO is out in Sept/Oct this year but this was the first time I've heard specs closer to Scorpio from some one on the dev side of the fence.

I'm honestly at a bit of a loss. I would have written it off from the random source originally cited, except I've heard exactly the same vague statement from someone with extremely close ties. The completely off-the-wall guess I included earlier in this thread, which I give stupidly long 1-in-50 odds to, is a way to chain two Neo systems in an SLI-like configuration. Everything else that comes to mind is similarly improbable, so I guess we'll just have to find out Wednesday.

Just keep in mind Vicious and Gaia are relating things they've heard from others, still interesting, but take it with a grain of salt.

 

[LelouchZero]

I would. That is much cheaper than upgrading my pc.

Really? What hardware does it have?

 

[bryanee]

I watched the Playstation Meeting from 2013 last night and I do hope Cerny is on stage at some point. Run me a nice bath and just listen to him for 30 minutes.

 

[kyser73]

This'll be 5am Thursdsy here in Oz.

Early start to the day then.

 

[Nipo]

Really? What hardware does it have?

It is a hypothetical 10 terraflop console for $500... I think the only card close to that is a 1080. Even though I have a 980Ti now that would be an easy decision at that performance/price ratio.

 

[Wollan]

These are the newest tidbits

I know nothing. Nada.
Just saying people are setting themselves up hoping from something different to the leaked 4.2tf GPU / 2.1ghz CPU specs.
Leaks like that are usually always on the money. Exception was PS4 ram which wasn't even communicated to internal Sony studios like Guerrilla prior to show ('last minute' upgrade).

 

[Acquiescence]

It's a lot easier to say that than do it though. How many developers are there in the industry? And how many are of Naughty Dog's calibre? It took Naughty Dog a long time to get to where they are now and they've made some missteps along the way (hi Jak 2), they just ended up bringing together the right management and right talent to build themselves up into what they are now, as well as the creative freedom from Sony. Personally, I'm not sure Microsoft even put their studios in positions to "become" Naughty Dog's, let alone have the management/talent to do it.

Jak II is one of the best things they've ever done tho.