Lys Skygge
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Nothing but a bunch of greedy, selfish, spineless, anti-intellectual, evil assholes. What I don't understand, is why do so many Christian people vote for these people? They are literally the anti-Christ party.
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Politico: Paul Ryan will repeal Obamacare, defund Planned Parenthood if Trump wins
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The one positive side to Trump for the GOP establishment is that by trotting out their over the top comic book villain, they made themselves look human and reasonable, when he's just a really nasty tumor of the cancer they represent.
Teriyaki Blues
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He really can't wait to drive up that dead women count, can he?
Just in case anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/texas-maternal-mortality-rate-health-clinics-funding
Just in case anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/texas-maternal-mortality-rate-health-clinics-funding
The ACA (or a program that goes even further than it does) is the future of a country that is more and more viewing affordable healthcare as a right for all.
Problem is its been cut off at the knees by a party that has made its one goal of the last 6 years to obstruct and derail. The ACA wasn't passed in a completed state. It needed work.
The Republican party must be taken out. It's toxic to the governing of our country.
Racism. Not even kidding.
Plenty of minorities are incredibly religious and still vote democratic.
You won't trick me...
Seriously though, I wonder what Ryan's motivations are here for being so blunt? Is he trying to rile up some voters for his side because it seems like he's just going to rile up voters for the other side?
its way past time. They played nice and look where it has gotten dems. smh
Given national Trends Ryan will be irrelevant in several years. Unfortunately via gerrymandering he'll be around for a while longer.
Also, the ACA will never be repealed. Once these old people are informed properly they will fight for it, even if it means voting for a black man or a woman.
Also, the ACA will never be repealed. Once these old people are informed properly they will fight for it, even if it means voting for a black man or a woman.
StarCreator
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Not only were key provisions stripped out to guarantee a filibuster-proof majority, but then the SCOTUS went and stripped out some more teeth from it. And of course the ways the ACA fails isn't because of that. Nope. Definitely not.
Alex_Mexico
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Its all about the fetuses. If only they were consistent in defending life after being born as much as they do before they're born. But I guess thats too much to ask of them.
you do understand republicans are the reason why some parts of it are in the state its in right? The original Bill was amazing. Democrats tried to play nice and make concessions but republicans wholly are the reason why its in the state its in (with prob a few dems too)
Republicans whole stance is make govt look like its inept and get stuff privatized. Then tell people look! it doesnt work because they cut funding or defunded stuff that told them we need X for this to work well.
That is why i do not buy a lot of the small govt bullshit they sell.
they "played nice" because a big chunk of the democratic party is centrist or right-wing and doesn't want leftist policies to pass
I agree. But I think that was merely a strategy to peel away as many Republican votes before Nov 8th as possible.
On Nov 9th, though? The shaming begins: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/democrats-donald-trump-record-229021
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thepotatoman
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It's so weird that Ryan always puts such a big emphasis on poverty. That's not a typical republican talking point. It does seem like a legit issue to him.
I can respect that, but how do you come up with a compromise to help fix poverty if he still thinks the cause of poverty is a combonation of welfare making poor people lazy, rich people not having enough money to spend on creating jobs, and labor regulations that are preventing china-like manufacturing facilities from being the norm in america.
His understanding of economics prevents every single thing you can do that might actually help with poverty.
Saint Gregory
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There's no aspect of Ryan that I would call reasonable. He's basically another Pence in that he believes the same insane stuff that Trump believes and worse but is actually capable of framing his speech in a way that doesn't come across as if he's doing a Simpson's cameo as the Crazy Cat Lady. As despicable as Trump is republicans like Ryan and Cruz are far more dangerous.
The Blue Dog dems killed the original ACA because a majority of Americans aren't in favour of a public option and left-wing policies like that would have wiped them out. It has never had greater than 45% of the public back it.
And no, even that was terrible, all it would have done was increased costs without tackling the fundamental issues in the US system (healthcare providers have too much pricing power, and there is too much information asymmetry between all the different parties). Healthcare in the US is a complete clusterfuck that would probably be improved by burning the whole thing to the ground to start again.
Ryan's original 2016 budget would have been brilliant for those in poverty, even if most of the rest of it was bad to meh.
acheron_xl
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If a lot of poor people die, that leaves more for the rest of us.
Abstruse Moose
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Republicans are a cancer on this world. Straight up evil.
BotoxAgent
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theres gotta be something the DNC can do to help motivate voters to vote in local elections
that's still a fucking joke.
republicans were doing that for decades pre-trump, he's just more crass about it. and if this election has taught us anything it's that basically nobody in the american electorate really cares about "conservative principles" because if they did ted cruz would be the candidate.
i for one find it gross and off-putting that democrats prefer to pretend that pre-trump right-wingers had any reasonable points instead of actually trying to appeal to the younger base that sanders showed is clearly hungry for real leftist policies.
acheron_xl
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As a citizen in Scott Walker's Wisconsin, I feel this acutely.
Ricky Ricardo
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There's the rub: Christianity and Republicanism/Conservatism are mutually exclusive.
You'll see folk who will argue that's not true, but a lot of fundamentalists would likely call the early Christian church a bunch of socialists.
EL OH EL
Young people don't vote, unfortunately.
Lord Frieza
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That's the point, though. There's always been that undercurrent, that innuendo, but never has a major GOP figure actually came out and said it so brazenly. And I guarantee you the Republican party is going to do all they can to bury Trump once/if he loses, precisely because of that. Because they know if the stuff they represent is said aloud, they'll never extend their base, a base that is aging and thinning slowly, but surely. Dems creating Trump as a type of anti-Regan towards the GOP makes 100% sense to try and stifle any extension of their base.
Lol, oh damn, total typo, no tricks
I've been trying to be understanding and respectful, but I fucking hate the Republican Party. Burn it the fuck down. We need to seriously start supporting the other parties and building them up to be viable. The Republican Party is a joke, and an embarrassment.
I had a co-worker pull the old, "Well, Clinton is a terrible choice too!" And I had to whip out her accomplishments and experience, and brains, and history, and he just sat there quiet, with no retort, and a grumbled, "yeah, well, still." Sometimes I feel like I'm in a sea of fools living in America. We really need to push hard for people to actively become informed about their country beyond their little bubble.
And he's also not going to go out and vote. He never does. It's infuriating.
I had a co-worker pull the old, "Well, Clinton is a terrible choice too!" And I had to whip out her accomplishments and experience, and brains, and history, and he just sat there quiet, with no retort, and a grumbled, "yeah, well, still." Sometimes I feel like I'm in a sea of fools living in America. We really need to push hard for people to actively become informed about their country beyond their little bubble.
And he's also not going to go out and vote. He never does. It's infuriating.
Crimson_Gold
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Lol exactly. I've been saying this for a while. This brand of Christianity that's being pushed by this party and many of the mainstream, mega church parishioners, is not based on any text. Just a bunch of people attending club meetings in hopes of getting rich while looking down on other people
they voted for sanders, and they're the future of the party.
it's unsurprising that this narrative still gets trotted out but also obvious to me that they don't vote because most of the time they don't see the point. democrats have been so ineffectual and self-sabotaging that they've been unable to pass anything young people care about, and it's way harder to get someone to the polls when your only appeal is "the other guys are worse".
we can continue to blame left-wing demographics for low turnout or we can start trying to understand why the opposition has been so much more effective and fix it.
He's not wrong. He's just on the wrong side. If you want government to work again, for good or for evil, you need one party in control of both chambers and the White House. If you want government to work for good, get Republicans out of power everywhere.
I hate to sound like a hyper-partisan, and it wasn't true in the past (not that the post-Nixon GOP has ever been on the right side of an issue, but they used to be a party with vision that cared about their country in their own way), but it's true today and for the foreseeable future.
Lord Frieza
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And then a lot of them ran to Johnson and wouldn't shut the fuck up about Bernie even after he lost, and the opponent Hillary faced was like the anti-Bernie. Bernie was, for many of these people, a cult of personality, much like Trump is to a lot of the GOP voters, just on a much smaller scale.
ok but saying "fuck those guys, i don't care about them anyway" is not the way to build a winning coalition when they could easily be sold on the democratic platform if there was any indication the party wanted to do anything this year other than try to appeal to the mythical republican conscience
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Frozenprince
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These dumb mother fucjers do realize that PP does WAY more than just "abort them babies" right?
Lord Frieza
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I mean, honestly, why not both? I don't see why you feel there's a distinct divide between these two things.
And I think you misunderstand the intention behind this. It's less about trying to appeal to the 'republican conscience,' and more about stifling the growth the GOP base, particularly through minorities.
Paul Ryan.
The dude on the far left looks kinda like Ted Cruz
abortion is the stalking horse, they actually do just want to eliminate healthcare for poor people entirely
exmachina64
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"If they wanted healthcare, they'd work harder for it."
BadAss2961
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Well, most Republicans have been saying this over and over again for years. Every candidate would shout from the mountaintops, "I will repeal Obamacare!" I will defund Planned Parenthood! My first first day in office!"
StarCreator
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This is what frustrates me the most. At least with the GOP you can expect mustache-twirling villainy, but Sanders in the end I think has done more harm than good.
I love the ideals Sanders stood for, but I think he tried to achieve them in the most counter-productive way possible. There's no way any of his platform was going to ever be achievable. If he kept things small, doing what he could to pivot the Democrats a little more to the left and get young people interested in politics, then I'd have no issue. But things instead blew completely out of proportion, and I don't know if it was ego or what, but suddenly you had Sanders going all in on actually trying to become the President on a platform made entirely of snake oil. And the result when he lost was not a unified left wing but a faction that is now actively working to undermine Democrats, consequences be damned.
Democrats have ended up with their own personal Tea Party through no fault of their own and I hope that division isn't what causes this country to lose everything.
because they've been doing one and not the other, and their current strategy is both stupid and disgusting. you're not going to persuade any republicans to vote for hillary outside a small portion of the party establishment who are not currently or in the future running for office, which is a few hundred votes with no influence at all.
that growth has already been stifled by actual republican policies, trump or no trump. the focus on the orange buffoon at the top of the ticket continues to show that politicians care more about appearances than substance.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
I'm just curious. Let's just for a minute imagine the Republicans accomplished everything thing they want getting rid of Obamacare, minimum wage, regulations, banning abortion, more tax cuts for the rich. When the country is truly and completely fucked what then?
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Paul Ryan- providing comic book villains lessons on being a whiny, inept piece of shit who's response to every criticism is "it'd be better if we just had a majority and there wasn't any backtalk bringing up reality and shit about the victims of our policies".
It looks exactly like Ted Cruz. Someone's gotta meme this!
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