Emily Rogers: Splatoon Switch is not a sequel, allegedly. Same for Mario Kart.

Dark Cloud said:
Yeah.
All Nintendo is TRYING to do is build up a big install base from the get go. What's so wrong about that? If casuals love the concept of the Switch and they see a "new" Mario Kart game at launch, they'll be out in droves and these things will sell out so fast like the Wii.

Nintendo is doing it right. These are their huge evergreen titles that people love, especially casuals who they want to pull in from the get go.
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For sure. Plenty of remasters are made for other systems, it's hopefully an easy job for them to port them over to just get the ball rolling.

Kaisos said:
Steam is not consoles and shouldn't be compared to consoles.
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Huh, it's no different from Nintendo's digital game service? If it's just a direct port I don't see why Nintendo wouldn't honor Wii U buyers and give a remaster for free. If there's a lot of extras a discount seems reasonable.
 
Ports, ports and more ports. Console launches are the worst. I'll wait until this thing gets some games that are actually made for it from the ground up.
 
Nothing new in this day and age.

Enhanced ports for great games that only got minimal exposure on a failed console isn't exactly what I would call an issue, though if that's all they've got then it could be.

As long as they provide proper incentives for players who did buy the original versions to get the new one and capitalize on the strengths of the new system and incorporate some amount of player feedback in refining trouble areas I think it's fine.

But I'm biased since I never bothered to get a Wii U and really have no desire to. So getting as many of the great games from that system brought over the Switch is all the better to me.

Plus this gives Nintendo the ability to have proven games release during potential drought times of the first year+ after release.

Launch with BotW, MK8.5 and a couple other new games and third party stuff then a month or two down the line put out Splatoon 1.5 along with some new titles. Fall they could release a SSB Switch with all the DLC and new characters and features leading up to the big actual brand new game for Switch only with that Mario title we caught a glimpse of for the holiday season.

If they want to throw in an enhanced Mario Maker or Donkey Kong port somewhere in the late summer that could work too. It's a cheap and efficient way of providing a steady stream of solid titles that most people honestly never played or were really aware of because of the Wii U. There needs to be more original content as well though from both Nintendo and Third parties.
 
I'm fine with that,just give me Pokken with the updated arcade roster (Darkrai and Scizor), lots of people never had a Wii U, that thing only sold like 14 million units worldwide
 
I mean, obviously they ported over what they had to speed up development, but that doesn't mean it's not a new game. Just look at the clip — hairstyles, pants, different poses/animations, improved graphics, new map. There's new content. It's not going to just be a ported remaster. It'll have different, new content. Might carry over a lot of what it had before, too, but that makes it all the better.

Don't get so worked up over "it's a port." Doesn't mean it's not its own game with great content. I'm definitely buying Splatoon Switch. For sure.
 
Feel the Swift said:
For sure. Plenty of remasters are made for other systems, it's hopefully an easy job for them to port them over to just get the ball rolling.
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Without DX Ports - 2017 Forecast
3D Zelda, 3D Mario, Concept/Quirky Game, X amount of B/C tier games from 2nd Party

With DX Ports - 2017 Forecast
3D Zelda, 3D Mario, Concept/Quirky Game, Mario Kart 8+, Smash Bros.+, Splatoon +, X amount of B/X tier games from 2nd party

The math is easy.
 
joedick said:
If an album gets remastered or rereleased with bonus tracks, you're not going to get a discount if you owned the old one. If a movie gets rereleased as a deluxe set, they ain't giving that to you for free either. I agree it sucks, but it's not happening. Nintendo's been playing with lower priced retail games for Wii U, so hopefully the remasters have a low price.
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The situation is comparable to Capcom releasing many many versions of every fighting game they ever developed and asking each time for full price. Except they started giving out discounts for the people who already owned the game on the PS3 era, so it's even worse.


We bought their most failed console ever, we payed full price for the games, ans now they realease extra content exclusive to another system so we'll basically have to pay all over again?

No no. That's disrespectful.
 
Kaisos said:
Steam is not consoles and shouldn't be compared to consoles.
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?? It's completely fair game. Virtual console games bought last generation should most definitely work moving forward. Microsoft was able to add software BC for XBLA games and 360 retail games in your library ALONG with supporting some disc based games. Super Mario maker should be free on switch if you've already paid for it.

Edit: if you're talking specifically remasters then Nintendo would have to show that it's significantly different graphically first.
 
nintendo would be crazy to not port their Wii U catalogue. that's just leaving money on the table, and when it comes to something like splatoon, tons of money

sucks for Wii U folk but reality is most haven't had chance to play these games
 
Feel the Swift said:
Huh, it's no different from Nintendo's digital game service? If it's just a direct port I don't see why Nintendo wouldn't honor Wii U buyers and give a remaster for free. If there's a lot of extras a discount seems reasonable.
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No one on consoles, to my knowledge, has ever gotten remasters for free. One of the points of remasters like this is to make people buy the same game twice, in addition to growing the audience, of course.

Mechazawa said:
I figured as much. Splatoon looked way too conservative to be a sequel.
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What does this mean. It's like I'm taking crazy pills. What else would you want from a Splatoon sequel besides... more Splatoon. That's the point of sequels.
 
So MK8 Switch has new stuff, Splatoon Switch has new stuff...

Are we all prepared for 'A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES!' at the start (or end) of the Switch software Direct?
 
They need to port the living hell of all the zelda games on wiiu, and 3ds. Do the joy con have motion sensors? if so, port Skyward Sword too. :3
 
Pandy said:
So MK8 Switch has new stuff, Splatoon Switch has new stuff...

Are we all prepared for 'A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES!' at the start (or end) of the Switch software Direct?
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Hoping for Ice Climbers.
 
If Mario Kart, Smash, Splatoon and Zelda are all part of the systems launch, it would actually have the most amazing launch line-up of any new Nintendo console. Can't say I'm really looking forward to buying all those games over again, but I probably will anyway.
 
Pretty sure anyone with a brain could have discerned this from the footage.

They put a ton of effort into adding content to these huge games, why would they discard all that hard work to make sequels with less content?

Like if they removed Pac-Man or Cloud from Smash 5 i probably wouldnt buy it.
 
Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch sounds bad

Super Smash Switch Bros.
Switch Super Smash Bros.
Super Switch Smash Bros.
Super Smash Bros. Switch
 
Kaisos said:
No one on consoles, to my knowledge, has ever gotten remasters for free. One of the points of remasters like this is to make people buy the same game twice, in addition to growing the audience, of course.



What does this mean. It's like I'm taking crazy pills. What else would you want from a Splatoon sequel besides... more Splatoon. That's the point of sequels.
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They want assault weapons and stuff.

What would be cool is if you could change to be an Octopus
 
egruntz said:
Don't get so worked up over "it's a port." Doesn't mean it's not its own game with great content.
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The issue is that Rogers has, for some time, been claiming that these are straight ports. With cross-play, even.

see5harp said:
Super Mario maker should be free on switch if you've already paid for it.
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Nothing has ever worked this way. My mind is honestly blown that you think it should work this way. You do not own a game released for one console just because you bought it at one point on a different console. You own the WiiU version of Mario Maker. That is the game you paid for, not every re-release of Mario Maker that will ever happen in the conceivable future.
 
Valahart said:
We bought their most failed console ever, we payed full price for the games, ans now they realease extra content exclusive to another system so we'll basically have to pay all over again?

No no. That's disrespectful.
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You don't have to pay over again. Sorry to say but Wii U and its games don't exist to anyone but the 13 million worldwide that purchased it. To everyone else, these ports are going to seem brand new.
 
Valahart said:
The situation is comparable to Capcom releasing many many versions of every fighting game they ever developed and asking each time for full price. Except they started giving out discounts for the people who already owned the game on the PS3 era, so it's even worse.


We bought their most failed console ever, we payed full price for the games, ans now they realease extra content exclusive to another system so we'll basically have to pay all over again?

No no. That's disrespectful.
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Well yeah, nothing is ever free lol

Sorry but Nintendo isn't under a binding contract to sell you free games because you bought their games 😂
You're also under no obligation to buy any of their products! It goes both ways!!!
 
People are being unrealistic with their expectations of the Switch. Nintendo is not going to come out the gate on launch with full fledged sequels to their biggest Wii U titles that are barely 2 years old. I'm sure those would come once the device has been out for a while.

There's still a lot that I don't know, so I will just wait and see what the rest of the launch lineup looks like, but I have no problems with Nintendo bringing these games over for the people who either love these games and want to continue playing them, or for those who didn't purchase a Wii U which there are alot of. Why leave these games to rot on a console that people don't want?

It's not like Nintendo is bringing over some booty ass titles. These are amazing games that are being reworked for the Switch. As long as the launch lineup is strong, this won't be an issue.
 
ProfessorLobo said:
The more I hear the more I think Nintendo is in trouble. No one's excited about a launch lineup filled with 3 year old games.
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Nintendo isn't in trouble. Nobody bought a Wii U, and thus nobody bought the game on it.

There's really way too much overraction on this thread.
 
Kaisos said:
The issue is that Rogers has, for some time, been claiming that these are straight ports. With cross-play, even.
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We've already seen that's impossible, unless there's a legacy mode or they update the Wii U games (which seems unlikely). The Wii U games wouldn't know how to handle two items or King Boo or new Inkling clothing, etc.
 
Muzicfreq said:
What would be cool is if you could change to be an Octopus
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Octolings are a thing that players have demanded almost since launch so I'd be shocked if they didn't end up implementing that, tbh.

ProfessorLobo said:
The more I hear the more I think Nintendo is in trouble. No one's excited about a launch lineup filled with 3 year old games.
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The entire idea with Nintendo software not going through the same significant price drops as other games is that it doesn't depreciate in value over time, right? Like that's the conceit.

So can't you imagine that the 50 million or so people who own a PS4 and don't own a WiiU might be interested in playing those games that they missed?
 
A super-enhanced port, perhaps. Weren't those new weapons, hair-styles, and stages? Same with Mario Kart with new characters, a new item system, and wasn't that a new course?

I get adding value to a special edition and not just upping the rez and calling it a day, but at a certain point you might as well just make a new game, no? Especially since it will have been almost 2 years since Splatoon and 3 years since MK8 (although 2 years since the end of MK8 DLC).
 
Wii U's great games need to come over. I know a ton of people who skipped out on Wii U but really wanted to play Smash 4, Mario Maker, Splatoon, and Mario Kart 8. Those games need to come over and I'm glad (most) of them are at least.
 
ProfessorLobo said:
The more I hear the more I think Nintendo is in trouble. No one's excited about a launch lineup filled with 3 year old games.
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it's not shaping up to be the most confidence inspiring launch ever but millions never played splatoon, MK8, smash 4 ect

unless Switch bombs i can guarantee these will be huge sellers
 
Ogodei said:
A super-enhanced port, perhaps. Weren't those new weapons, hair-styles, and stages? Same with Mario Kart with new characters, a new item system, and wasn't that a new course?

I get adding value to a special edition and not just upping the rez and calling it a day, but at a certain point you might as well just make a new game, no? Especially since it will have been almost 2 years since Splatoon and 3 years since MK8 (although 2 years since the end of MK8 DLC).
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The Mario Kart course was a DLC course from 8 and a actual course from Double Dash
 
Valahart said:
The situation is comparable to Capcom releasing many many versions of every fighting game they ever developed and asking each time for full price. Except they started giving out discounts for the people who already owned the game on the PS3 era, so it's even worse.


We bought their most failed console ever, we payed full price for the games, ans now they realease extra content exclusive to another system so we'll basically have to pay all over again?

No no. That's disrespectful.
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Do you never buy remasters, goty editions, etc?
 
I figured this would be the case looking at the game footage.

I'm definitely going to wait for new worthwhile software to come out before getting a Switch.
 
Kaisos said:
What does this mean. It's like I'm taking crazy pills. What else would you want from a Splatoon sequel besides... more Splatoon. That's the point of sequels.
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The point of a sequel is to make something that looks new.

The admittedly small amount of footage they showed off was effectively indiscernible from the first game aside from "new hairstyles".
 
DarkKyo said:
This thing is going to have like 1 or 2 original launch titles and a dozen ports isn't it?
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So like the Wii U then?

One thing we need to realise is that most people buying a switch would never have played any of those other games so to Nintendo it's almost like they're new.
 
Acquiescence said:
I do expect a hefty amount of WiiU games to be ported to the system.
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What about the people that have WiiU's?

Why would somebody like me that already owns a WiiU go out and invest in a N/S to play WiiU ports with better graphics, physics and effects?

When Zelda: Breath of the Wild is released, should I spend £35 on it for my WiiU or circa £300 for it with a N/S, it will be the WiiU version for me.

AzaK said:
So like the Wii U then?

One thing we need to realise is that most people buying a switch would never have played any of those other games so to Nintendo it's almost like they're new.
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This is what I don't understand, why wouldn't N/S owners not have played these or any-other of the WiiU games?

Are these people ones that were hyped for the WiiU but never invested in one, how will the N/S be any different then, I picked up my WiiU at launch (also a launch 3DS owner) and from what I have seen of the N/S I am not hyped at all, is the N/S not for WiiU owners, are WiiU owners not true Nintendo fans?
 
xDUMPWEEDx said:
Yep, as someone who doesn't own a Wii U, this is perfect.
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Yeah, this should be, possibly, the greatest launch lineup ever if you don't own a Wii U lol

JP said:
I have no issue with cross generation ports but do they do really need to look a generation apart which is probably going to be difficult on this hardware from what we saw of the games as there was nothing shown that din;t look like a Wii U game.

Maybe they'll at least be running at 1080p and have anti aliasing which could improve the visuals significantly for me.
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Maybe they can get Mario Kart 8 to run in 60fps now ☺️
 
I have no issue with cross generation ports but do they do really need to look a generation apart which is probably going to be difficult on this hardware from what we saw of the games as there was nothing shown that din;t look like a Wii U game.

Maybe they'll at least be running at 1080p and have anti aliasing which could improve the visuals significantly for me.

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Maybe they could be free or cheap updates for people who own the original versions of the game? Not sure that would happen but it something more positive than the alternative of people paying for an updated version, I suppose.
 
Mechazawa said:
The point of a sequel is to make something that looks new.
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That's not the point of a sequel, what the hell. That's the point of a new IP. Sequels exist because fans liked your existing game so much that they wanted more of it.

I'm sorry, if a Splatoon sequel was so transformed that it no longer resembled the original game I would have no interest in it.
 
Yeah, it's way too soon to expect full sequels of Nintendo games from less than 2 years ago.

Enhanced ports are fine by me. I'll probably buy Smash on Switch regardless, but new characters make the game more enticing.
 
B1G_A1AN said:
What about the people that have WiiU's?

Why would somebody like me that already owns a WiiU go out and invest in a N/S to play WiiU ports with better graphics, physics and effects?

When Zelda: Breath of the Wild is released, should I spend £35 on it for my WiiU or circa £300 for it with a N/S, it will be the WiiU version for me.
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The ports aren't for Wii U owners...unless you want them. This is not a difficult concept. Why are are these Nintendo threads filled with bad opinions easily rationalized by the most basic business acumen? You do realize ports don't stop new games from being made right? If none of these ports interest you then wait on the console. Console launches are notoriously filled with ports because it takes a long time to make new games.
 
Kaisos said:
The issue is that Rogers has, for some time, been claiming that these are straight ports. With cross-play, even.
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But we already know that's not true just by looking at the 6 second clips we have. Improved graphics, new animations, new map, new skins, new content in general. So how would cross-play work when one version has a new map and the other doesn't? When one has new guns, accessories, etc. and the other doesn't?

Just doesn't quite add up. *shrug*

To me it's obviously its own game. Maybe not a full-blown sequel, started from scratch. But ported over and seriously enhanced. Not just a 1:1 port/remaster like what's being claimed.
 
JP said:
I have no issue with cross generation ports but do they do really need to look a generation apart which is probably going to be difficult on this hardware from what we saw of the games as there was nothing shown that din;t look like a Wii U game.

Maybe they'll at least be running at 1080p and have anti aliasing which could improve the visuals significantly for me.

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Maybe they could be free or cheap updates for people who own the original versions of the game? Not sure that would happen but it something more positive than the alternative of people paying for an updated version, I suppose.
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I think Mario looked better than 3D World. But how much better is going to be a big question for people.
 
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