yeah, poor trump and his supporters being falsely called racist or bigoted
no signs of racism or bigotry anywhere on that side of things
United States Election: Nov. 8, 2016 |OT| Hate Trumps Love
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yeah, poor trump and his supporters being falsely called racist or bigoted
no signs of racism or bigotry anywhere on that side of things
Yeah. The solution is to hand over to deplorable fascists.
Didn't you get banned before for spewing alt-right garbage?
True Underdog
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I agree.
Some of them feel like they've been given a raw deal over the last couple decades so they'll support a selfish, sexist, racist bigot because he tells them he'll make things better for them without providing any actionable means of doing so.
So when you fall under one of the demographics who would be negatively impacted by a Trump presidency, or if you can empathize with those who would be negatively impacted by a Trump presidency, it's hard to feel bad for his supporters.
Sure, they would still suffer at his hands. However, it would be ok, because he would make some other people suffer more.
gutter_trash
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Latino vote on election day (except for 2016) for Republicans:
04 Bush: 44%
08 McCain: 31%
12 Romney: 27%
16 Trump: 20% (currently polling)
George W. Bush in 2004 hit the ceiling for a Republican Presidential candidate. No other Republican ever topped that among Latino voters.
GOP done goofed passing up on Jeb! and Rubio
04 Bush: 44%
08 McCain: 31%
12 Romney: 27%
16 Trump: 20% (currently polling)
George W. Bush in 2004 hit the ceiling for a Republican Presidential candidate. No other Republican ever topped that among Latino voters.
GOP done goofed passing up on Jeb! and Rubio
Fucking please.
You know who's tired of being fed garbage? Minorities like me that, on top of everything, keep being told to coddle racists.
Fuck. That.
I don't give a shit if they want a "party change" so much that they are willing to accept a fascist racist as president.
All trump supporters are supporting a racist selfish bigot with no plan to fix anything. Trump got this far because the gop panders to bigots.
We must stop! Lol.
Rubio probably would appeal to the Cubans, less generally to latinx as his policies are pretty standard GOP stuff.
I couldn't say it any better.
They wanted the party to change from periodically using racist dog whistles to running on an openly racist platform. Progress!
And no, I don't suspect that the Democratic party will reorient itself around a racist, xenophobic platform given demographic trends. That would be fucking stupid.
GoldenEye 007
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Of course they are lol.
to top that off you have some assholes who say they know that and talk about "accelerationism" who haven't opened a fucking history book in their life and apparently don't care about how many people would suffer or die in that trek towards something much worse than the way their bullshit fantasy plays out in their head
gutter_trash
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Pellegri Testament
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Nah, these people don't get an easy way out. If you voted for that trash, you are saying you are ok with everything he has said and done.
way, way before that
it was basically day one from when he became a businessman
I mean he was fucking sued by the federal government specifically for racism
Except that the same 'garbage' the Trump supporters in particular are sick of is:
-Saying that not all muslims are terrorists
-Treating immigrants as real people
-Treating black lives as human lives
-Giving women the rights and healthcare they deserve
Seriously, that's the shit they're "sick of."
GoldenEye 007
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In fact, it would largely go against decades of democratic party policy. Versus decades of GOP policy trying to be as racist as they comfortably can.
balladofwindfishes
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It's sent a very disappointing and sad message that our country still has a real problem with racism that hasn't really gotten much better in the last half century.
Leona Lewis
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That's absurd.
actually where it needs to stop is at so many people being dumb as dogshit being allowed to vote. If they are in fact not bigot pieces of shit then the only other rational explanation is that they are ignorant and stupid, which is not a qualification for voting, or at least shouldn't be. So yes, information sourcing should be a new thing taught in our schools in this wonderful new information age, you know, to actually determine what is a fact or not, instead of racist bullshit.
jim-jam bongs
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I mean, I'm sure there are a few people who are genuinely not bigots and are voting for Trump. They just love America so much that they want to hand it over to the bigots, and that's called patriotism.
If a Trump vote is supposed to be some sort of message about being fed up...what specific desired change is supposed to be indicated by it?
Speaking as an outsider who is only able to watch with disappointment and, at times, fear, I see nothing good that a vote for Trump means, protest vote of some sort or no.
Speaking as an outsider who is only able to watch with disappointment and, at times, fear, I see nothing good that a vote for Trump means, protest vote of some sort or no.
Brianimaniac
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What you just described is selfish. It's selfish to think it's okay to throw minorities under the bus to send the message that you want a party change. It's easy to make that call when you're in a place of privilege and have less at stake under a Trump presidency.
Do you know what selfish means?
metalslimer
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Yeah it shows they want an even more overtly racist party than what the republicans were offering.
No it isn't.
The last time we did tests for voting it didn't go well.
gutter_trash
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yes, you are right, he was always racist.
What I meant that he went full racist on the campaign trail right out of the gate on Day 1
ShironRedshift
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I'll quote myself from another thread on this, and just change a few things for your particular context:
"For anyone who feels this way: Why not? I mean, might as well vote for one of them while you're there. You're going to be there anyway and one of them's going to be President. And why not let that person be Clinton? You hate them both anyway, so why not defer to the rest of America, who the President will represent and listen to what they have to say on the matter, because we'll tell you loud at clear there's only one answer here, and that answer is Hillary Clinton.
After all, even if you don't like either of them, I hope you understand that you're not voting for someone to be your friend. You don't have to like them. You can even loathe them! Again, you aren't votign them to be your friend, but the leader of the country. They don't have to be someone you like to be able to do that, but rather be the best leader. The important thing is to consider which one will actually be able to benefit the lives of more people across the country. Which will be able to do the more good for the greatest number of people. And there the choice is clear, considering one candidate has rallied against every group in America save white men and the other hasn't and has actually demonstrated she cares about them.
My real name is Tim Brown, I'm a psychology major and I hope to become a high school guidance counselor so that I can help young people to figure out what they want to do with their lives and to reach their potential to the best of my ability. And I'm bisexual. As a bisexual individual who doesn't want to see justices like Scalia appointed to the Supreme Court who would overturn Obergefell v. Hodges, the kind of judges Trump has said he would appoints if he wins and, thus restricting my freedom to marry who I choose, if I could, I would meet you in person and get on my knees and beg for your vote if I had to. I shouldn't have to and many wouldn't because they have too much pride or dignity or don't have the time for that, and more power to that and I fully respect that because like I said no one should have to do that and we shouldn't have to do abandon our pride and diginity and shouldn't have to beg, especially after all these years. but I would.
And that's because that's how much it matters to me, and that's how much of an impact this election will have on the lives of people like me across the country. And that's the case even if you live somewhere like Texas or Arkansas or West Virginia or (or alternatively, New York or California or Washington) somewhere else where you feel your vote doesn't matter at all, because that's just not true. It might not matter in terms of the Electoral College in that case, but nonetheless every vote against Trump in the Popular Vote sends that much stronger of a message that we Americans don't stand for that type of hate, and that that's not who we are and that we're suppose better than that.
Now, that might not matter much to you, because you might not have much at stake at this election. But people such as myself do. For us, what's at stake is our ability to marry the people who we love, regardless of that person's sex or gender identity. For my Muslim brothers and sisters across the country, it's the right to feel secure in their personhood and without fear that President Trump or his victory will try to kick them out of the country or otherwise persecute them simply because of their faith. For my Hispanic and Latino Americans who would be in quite a similar position under Trump, always being accused of being an illegal immigrant or if not that nonetheless being a rapist or drug dealer or some other form of criminal. For the African Americans, such as those among the Central Park Five, who Trump still sees as being inherently criminal despite being completely exonerated and the actual culprit having come forward and been convicted to this day as well as the tenants Trump and his father denied housing too simply based on the color of their skin and was thus sued for housing discrimination two separate times on the matter. For the women, who Trump sees as sex objects and pigs, beings who exist for his pleasure and nothing more and nothing less. And for the many minorities across the country in general who are having their voting rights restricted by people like Trump and the GOP because the party doesn't give a fuck about democracy and making sure that every person gets to have their voice heard as easily as possible but rather will do whatever it takes to stay in power and if that means restricting early voting or closing polling locations or what-have-you, then so be it.
None of this may matter to you personally and your vote may not personally affect it or change the tide of any of the matters. But even if that's the case, it still sends that much more powerful message that that type of hate isn't what it means to be an American and isn't who we are. You might not think it does, but to bisexual men and women such as myself across the country, as well my gay, lesbian, and transgender brothers and sisters each vote against Trump really does send that much more powerful of a message that this isn't who we are as Americans and that we're better than that, and that that really does matter to people like me and give me that much more hope in the United States and make me feel that much more positive about our country and the direction we're heading. As it does to my black brothers and sisters who don't want to see a racist elected president and every vote against him sends that much stronger of a message against someone who discriminated against black tenants and tried to lobby for the death penalty to be brought back to New York state because of five black and Hispanic teenagers who had done nothing wrong and were falsely accused. As it does to the Muslim Americans in country, who love this country as much as any other American and just want to worship in peace without being prosecuted for their faith. As it does to Hispanic and Latinos, even if they do happen to be undocumented and are just doing their best to support their families and loved ones and sure as fuck contribute more in taxes to the economy and to better this nation than the person who wants to send them back to Mexico and calls "most" of them criminals and rapists. As it does to women across the country, who don't want to be seen as just sex objects but be respected for who they are and just might appreciate the fact that we could be about to have our first woman President, and she would be one of the most qualified candidates to date for the position even if she might have her flaws.
You might not think your personal vote can send that much of a message against all of that hate, but it does. Each vote really does send that much stronger of message that that isn't who we are as Americans and that that isn't alright and that we're better than that, and that does matter. Maybe not to you, but it does to each and every one of us, and gives us that much more hope in our fellow Americans and the direction this country is going and that does matter. A lot.
So if you yourself can't decide between the candidates, then do it for us. Because it might not matter to you, but it does to each and every one of us. And we're telling you that there's only one candidate in this race: the one that doesn't despise every group in America save white men. So please, vote for her in that case. Because even if it doesn't matter to you, it sure as hell matters to us. And you're not just voting for your president, but the President who will have to represent the entire United States, including every one of those groups I mentioned. And they'll all tell you the same thing I am: that there is only one choice in this election and it does matter how you use that vote. Maybe not for you, but it definitely does for us. So if you can't bring yourself to decide, then at least listen to what we're telling you and use your vote to send that much stronger of a message that that isn't who we are. Because it does matter, and it does add up. Every single vote.
Please. Let people such as myself have faith in this country for once. That we're a country full of people that do care about all of that. That we're full of people that are full of love, and that refuse to accept the hate Trump dishes out towards every group in the United Sates and won't tolerate it even if the other candidate isn't quite perfect because of the sheer level of hate he dishes out that's nowhere close to any of Hillary's flaws (and indeed, I recognize that she's flawed, but there's just no comparison). Let me have faith that not only will the guy get nowhere close to the Presidency, but that the man who wants to or has done all those things I mentioned not only won't win, but will be completely obliterated because not only are those qualities that we refuse to accept in our leaders, but are qualities that we'd refuse to accept even in our friends and let him lose by the largest margin possible to send that message as loud and clear as possible. That we can be better than that, and that we are. Because every bit louder we make that message does make that much more of a difference to people like me and gives me that much more faith. It does.
Please. Just... Please."
Pellegri Testament
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How? You get all the baggage that comes with the candidate you vote for.
What's absurd is that Trump has made this a centerpiece of his campaign, and that folks are trying to shrug it off as no big deal.
For decent people, bigotry should be an automatic disqualifier. This isn't a difficult concept. There is no "but but but.." that excuses it.
PepsimanVsJoe
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What's absurd about it?
phatmike128
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Just read that wikileaks has released 8000 new emails from the DNC. It seems the people on r/the_donald are going crazy about this one :/ https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/25846
WiiredShawn
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What are you talking about? You make it seem like America has spent the last three presidents spinning its wheels in the mud, with nothing changing at all. Clinton, Bush, Obama - nothing happened in their presidencies, despite the fact that the world has changed tremendously during their terms? It was "the same garbage" just repeated each four years?
I understand wanting to be moderate, but start from a position that's more than "I feel like it's all the same!"
I'm sure they are, they go crazy over everything that doesn't actually matter
Astaleview
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Took Wednesday off to enjoy the alt-right meltdowns.
GoldenEye 007
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This is trash (as usual). That Dems want info about the interview after it happens?
So what?
Exactly.
Naw. What I'm saying is someone who is more "business aligned" than "politically groomed." Someone who understands they need to first fix the core before over-extending ourselves, which is one of the reasons our debt is what it is. There are people who really wish we could make America great again, just not 1:1 routing as proposed by Trump. It is also getting worse because of this email scandal. You know how many of my friends in the military or government positions said if they used email in that manner they would have been immediately on trial?
This election has certainly proved we have a real mess on our hands here, and that Matt and Trey via South Park are almost always right.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Same shit, different day.
Wikileaks has had nothing since day zero, but r/the_donald loves to pretend otherwise.
phatmike128
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I think the implication is that CNN is asking the party questions to ask Trump. I just find it funny the outrage (not american).
Leona Lewis
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A vote for a candidate is not a blanket endorsement of everything he or she has ever done or said. I'm talking in the abstract and not about Trump necessarily. For instance, you can disagree with Obama's drone policies but still vote for him in 2012 because his domestic policy wasn't a Romney-style dumpster fire.
Or else you end up not voting for anyone at all because everyone's done stuff you're not "OK" with.
People here just need to lower their emotional temperatures, honestly.
gutter_trash
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all economists are freaking out on a potential Trump win.
Global markets dipped and panicked last week when the 9 day Comey story caused polls to tighten
so, from an economic point of you, the experts are against Trump.
LOL, look at Brexit. If that is the shiny example of success that you want to compare. The Pound Sterling is taking a pounding, food prices are surging in the UK, shit got sour there. Proof is in the pudding
CherryWoodFuton
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Hard to do when the republican candidate keeps marginalizing immigrants and minorities
Brianimaniac
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The abstract isn't really the conversation right now. Trump is the conversation, and there are things about him that are not okay to accept as part of the package, even if you have another reason to vote for him.
GoldenEye 007
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Sure it's normal to disagree with another human you may disagree with on at least a couple issues. I voted Clinton and I do disagree with on her on some policy issues and even acknowledge she has some issues.
It's another to agree with and be comfortable a white supremacist.
This is incorrect. As an Obama voter, I hold responsibility for his drone program. If someone were to say a vote for Obama means that I hold responsibility for his ndaa extensions as well as drone program I'd say, yeah. That part blows. But I don't pretend it has nothing to do with the man. Same with hillary. SHE'S got dirt , but as you said everyone does.
You vote for what dirt you're ok with. People are fine with rumps dirt, it's up front, he hasn't bait and switched anyone. Racism and bigotry is on the tin, and people are lining up to vote for the man.
Leona Lewis
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Beer Monkey
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Palin campaigning for Trump in Cincinnati tomorrow. ( ͡ᵔ ͜ʖ ͡ᵔ )
(Holds in chuckles)
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