thestopsign
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Can we make it a rule that you have to state why you think Hillary is equally as bad as Trump? Nothing frustrates me more than the South Park argument.
United States Election: Nov. 8, 2016 |OT| Hate Trumps Love
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Can we make it a rule that you have to state why you think Hillary is equally as bad as Trump? Nothing frustrates me more than the South Park argument.
Wafflecakes
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I am just glad she doesn't need Ohio.
May the state fade into electoral obscurity either way.
Regulus Tera
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At some point, the difference between someone who infringes on the rights of minorities and someone who enables others to infringe on the rights of minorities is so minuscule it might as well not exist.
thestopsign
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Also this poll just got posted in PoliGAF.
Vestal
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Undecided?!?! Are you kidding me? Both are just as bad? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!
GAF help me here.. I just fucking can't anymore.. If I go further down this hole I'll get my account banned.. I am this '' close of throwing my fucking monitor out the window.
This can't be real life.
I just don't understand how miss information has become FACT this fucking election cycle. Its insanity..
Wow people have different opinions than you, CRAZY!
If you truly believe that Clinton and Trump are equal, you must have messed up morals or must have been living under a rock for the past year.
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At worst, Clinton will be another run of the mill politician whose interests are tied with Wall Street's. You know, the likes that have already led the White House. The US knows how to work with those.
At worst, Trump will engage in a trade war with China, cut off bilateral relations with Mexico, one of the US' biggest economic partners, normalize harassment to minorities the likes we haven't since before the sixties, and play into Putin's hands regarding international conflicts.
They are not equally bad even if you don't hold a favourable opinion of Clinton. Voting for Trump is an affront on humans who actually believe that empathy and cooperation between diverse groups of people is mutually beneficial.
PepsimanVsJoe
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I'm more concerned that there are undecideds this late in the election.
QuantumZebra
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Well polling historically tends to be a bit more Republican-tinged (people answering cold calls and doing interviews tend to be more well-off / outspoken and Republican-leaning is one theory).
Obama outdid his polls in 2012, and maybe 2008 as well, iirc.
There is no reason to think Hillary won't beat hers.
thestopsign
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I'm fine with different opinions. I'm not fine with someone not providing reasons behind their (controversial) opinions, and then walking off.
That's certainly a favourable number for the Dems (a little too favourable, I'd say, though I think Hillary will win New Hampshire -- or maybe the undecideds have decided en masse in the Dems' favour).Also this poll just got posted in PoliGAF.
Wafflecakes
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I don't think many people actually believe that they are equal.
Rather they SAY that they are equally bad to avoid political discussion, which I can completely understand.
You forgot let Russia have their way with the world.
And sometimes opinions are incredibly wrong, misinformed, and rooted in bigotry. CRAZY!
Vestal
Junior Member
I can deal with difference of opinion. But miss informed opinions on subjects as important as this election, nope. I am done with those.
I can agree with that for family or coworkers, but not random strangers on the internet.
Vestal
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Then maybe they shouldn't you know comment on a Political thread LOL =)
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I'm of the opinion that the US shouldn't be World Police either BUT I would rather a Reptilian led the free world than fucking Putin.
in b4 someone actually thinks I believe she's a Lizardwoman
my wet dream-- and I'm not talking about bedwetting
whyamihere
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I don't know how you could argue in good faith that there is no difference between Trump or Clinton, or that Hillary is just as bad as Trump.
I mean, I would still take the under on it if only because of Pascal's Wager, but worst case scenario of a Trump presidency is actual nuclear holocaust.
I agree, but I think we should at least sanction Russia until Putin gets his act together. I don't think Trump would continue those sanctions.
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ALSO if you vote for Trump you better realise that you are condemning the Supreme Court to decades of Conservative majority, which could turn out to be disastrous for a bunch of social issues that have just now started to get solved like gay marriage.
Wafflecakes
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I wish.
...however, my bedwetting side knows too many neocons who are registered as "independents"...
Voysa Reezun
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Neocons prefer Hillary, so that's good news.
A Black Falcon
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I think that with a more responsible news media we would not have so many people thinking false things like this about how bad Hillary (actually isn't). most of this post will just be repeating the obvious, for those following this election, but I wrote it so I'm posting it anyway.
So SNL had a fourth Hillary/Trump segment, and it's quite good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxH6bKNPBIA
Apart from that ending fantasy bit, most of this is great because it goes right at one of the worst things about this election cycle: how unbelievably irresponsible and dangerous the media's obsession with Hillary's emails is, and how this has led them to ignore far more important stories about Trump in favor of attacking Hillary again. For instance, the nightly newscasts (NBC, ABC, CBS) have devoted more time in recent days to Hillarys' emails than to actual policy, which is incredibly backwards and helps let people forget about the extremely important policy issues that are what matters most here -- about what Trump would do to the environment, health care, foreign policy, etc, versus what Hillary would do. And the head of CNN has said that he doesn't regret airing so many Trump rallies during the primaries, because they were good for ratings and made for entertaining TV. Who cares how much damage giving him vast amounts of free airtime did to our nation, it was good for my ratings and that's all that matters! Horrible.
Vox just published a good piece explaining how the emails scandal is not a scandal and how badly wrong the media has gotten this whole thing. Give it a read: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/4/13500018/clinton-email-scandal-bullshit
But sadly, most in the media don't realize that. Instead they focus on Hillary's non-scandal emails, dragging her down for something which has nothing behind it, while overlooking or barely mentioning the innumerable Trump scandals out there which are, unlike Hillary's actually real. To mention only a few of the most recent: Trump's possible connection to a Russian bank, Trump's past statements praising Putin and a story about how Putin has worked to get Trump on their side and work with and support his campaign against Hillary, as he of course is, that Trump borrowed and lost other peoples' money, something which got him out of paying taxes without losing any of his own cash (legally questionable...), all get barely mentioned or ignored is not okay. Oh but of course, those two Russia stories, which came out a few days ago, are totally false because some anonymous source in the ("the FBI is Trumpland") FBI leaked info immediately to the NY Times claiming that they weren't getting anywhere finding real ties between Trump and Russia because, well, we want Trump to win regardless of how much damage this does to America overseas, so let's leak (or make up, who knows) this to help him out! Trump was even endorsed by the KKK, and the media didn't even mention it. Hillary is running against the Republican Party, the KKK, Russia and people being supported by Russia like Wikileaks and Trump, and more... and despite all that she's going to win, hopefully big.
But regardless, did any of those stories or more stick much in the press? Of course not, as that SNL sketch says they were way too busy obsessing about her emails, as if that is in any way comparable to Trump's scandals. Why do so many people in the press want Donald Trump to be president? Fortunately the American people look like they are going to be smart enough to reject him, but it should never have gotten to this point.
So yeah, for once SNL actually did a great sketch. I wish the media would listen, but sadly I doubt that will happen. That's not a good sign for the future, but at least the worst is probably going to lose this time, and that's something.
Some people have a seething hatred for Clinton, and with how emotions work, at some point the "lesser evil" thing breaks and voting for this person feels indistinguishable from voting for that person.
So long as we allow for 1). a passionate dislike of Clinton and 2). emphasizing the heart more than the brain, we can't be surprised at the occasional Trump = Clinton sentiment. Personally, I'm appreciative that these people at least recognize Trump is an abhorrent piece of human garbage, and not contributing a vote to the American politics version of a monster.
gutter_trash
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I'm puzzled why a number of people, especially news media and pundits, say this. Are we really going to pretend stupid people don't exist? Think about how stupid Trump is, and realize the people voting for him have to be dumber than he is, and try to accept the fact that there might be people even dumber than that.
What's the best funny political show on TV to watch this week? now that the Daily Show doesn't have Jon Stewart I've just stuck to Last Week Tonight but I want something else to watch as well. Not a fan of the guy that took over for Jon and Colbert isn't funny since he became a late night host.
Sunster
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As if we could. Time and again we have been told "Don't think you're moving to Canada if the election goes bad. It's not as easy as 123"
We get it.
gutter_trash
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Keighleigh, Jeffrey Lord and Corey meltdown LIVE
QuantumZebra
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Oh yeah we can. Unless you have warped morals that makes you think all the things Trump has said and done are equal to Clinton's, or you haven't been following the election at all, there is not a single reason why you should think she is equal to him.
PepsimanVsJoe
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If the election goes bad, I doubt any country would be safe.
Maybe we all should just buy an island and start from scratch.
Tinfoilhatsron
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Hell, I'd still vote for her even if she was a Lizardwoman. Better someone trying to emulate the postive side of humans than a literal example of a shit human being. If on Election Day, it turned out that HC was a robot clone, I'd still fucking vote for her. A calculating thinking machine is worth voting over an used dumpster bag of hair products.
Also fuck this nonsense of both sides are equal. Every single time I see that used, the person is legitimately trying to make the emails worse than they are, and downplaying Trump's nasty actions. It's so fucking transparent. Stop.
CrunchyFrog
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I realize there's a lot at stake in this election, but based on rhetoric thrown around here it sounds like a lot of people advocate for a de facto ban all third party candidates, which I find deeply troubling. If they can't get a majority, someone tell me, then, when it would EVER be convenient to vote third party?
encephalon
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I don't want to go back to a US that has a conservative supreme court, but I guess it's essentially inevitable, since they won't ever allow a Democrat to nominate judges.
All of his guns.
How can anyone that uses the Internet actually vote trump. He lies like 75% of the time and fact checking websites prove it all the time. Do people not realize what it means to vote a liar like that into office? A man not even concerned with the fact that you can prove him wrong with facts at any time, since he knows his core base is too stupid to care? I haven't seen anyone lie and invent conspiracy theories on the fly like this man. He happily promotes lies to get attention, and somehow doesn't get reamed for it. Hell, instead it wins people's endorsement!
You thought George W may have been lying about not knowing there were no weapons in Iraq? Well trump definitely would lie about it. He'd push whatever rhetoric he could to get what he wants. Of course he would... how could you think differently with the shit he's been saying. He said on record he would bad mouth someone's if they went against him regardless if his claims were true or not.
I'd take any status quo politician over this nutcase. And that's before even looking at the racism, zero political experience, unpresidential demeanor, sexist locker room talk, and the thousand of other reasons he'd actually make a shitty president. Anyone on the fence.... damn how disallusioned must you be with everything to justify a vote for this dude
You thought George W may have been lying about not knowing there were no weapons in Iraq? Well trump definitely would lie about it. He'd push whatever rhetoric he could to get what he wants. Of course he would... how could you think differently with the shit he's been saying. He said on record he would bad mouth someone's if they went against him regardless if his claims were true or not.
I'd take any status quo politician over this nutcase. And that's before even looking at the racism, zero political experience, unpresidential demeanor, sexist locker room talk, and the thousand of other reasons he'd actually make a shitty president. Anyone on the fence.... damn how disallusioned must you be with everything to justify a vote for this dude
gutter_trash
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start from the ground up. Congress, Senate first
an independent President is pointless if Congress and the Senate is controlled by the two big parties
on election day colbert is going to be doing a huge show on showtime specifically so he can do some cable TV shit
stewart is probably gonna be there
Sunster
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If all the sane people left after the election the US would implode within a decade.
We will name it Neotokyo.
The third party candidates aren't qualified to be president of the United states, this time around.
Bernie would have had a chance, someone like him at least.
You have to also keep in mind the fact that republicans have ignored/declined most of Obama's/democratic wills. A third party candidate would face this and worse, and likely from both parties.
A third party needs to start from the states up, and then presidency. I see most realistic people saying this.
CrunchyFrog
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The one issue where I'm baffled at how people could be so blatantly two-faced. I honestly think more than anything else this cycle this has been the gravest violation of democratic rights in a long time, and in any other election this would undoubtedly be the defining issue.
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