Clinton aides blame loss on FBI, media, sexism, Bernie, everything but themselves

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The third time's the charm right?

On a serious note, they need to find a candidate that doesn't have 30 years worth of dirt on them and represents something new rather than the same-old politics.
 
I feel it's also partly a belief that everyone and their mother ran with clinton winning 70+ percent in all these polls. Trump the big joke, he will never win, he has no political background, why go if he's guaranteed to lose etc etc.
 
At this point I think the seeds for her defeat were planted long before the "October surprise" from the FBI, it's just that no one realized it. It's a factor, but it's not the main reason.

Definitely, a lot of mistakes were made. But the election wasn't lost with a landslide. It was lost by a relatively small percentage of votes. Votes I think you could reasonably deduct were lost due to the statement made by the FBI two weeks prior.
 
If things keep going like they are now, the 2018 Elections are gonna be a disaster for the Dems.

The DNC needs an enema.

Obviously hardly anyone predicted this outcome (well sans Michael Moore), but my god the irony when so many were convinced how much RNC was imploding. Not to say that they weren't with Orange Menace making things a nervous mess leading up to the election, but at least we heard rumblings of their self awareness and infighting. Somebody knew something was fucked with their leadership and Trump's campaign team, the latter having more roster changes than [insert sports aware joke here].

Like, I just don't get what this lack of awareness does. Not helping anyone and certainly not them.
 
This whole narrative about underestimating the anger of the working class doesn't seem to be supported by the actual numbers, though. Republicans turned out in the same numbers they always do – it was Democrats who stayed home.

I'd wait until we can get a more detailed breakdown of the demographics. My sneaking suspicion is that the reason Trump carried a significantly larger share of white voters is that young white Dems felt the election was safe and stayed home.

I'm not American but this same situation happened where I live in Canada during our last Provincial election. Everyone thought we were finally going to get the current politcal party out of government and elect the opposition, so people stayed home thinking it was a lock and the same party was re-elected and the voter turn out was low

the moral of the story is just fucking vote
 
People got too attached to the idea of Hillary as the first female President.

The fact is, a female candidate without Hillary's baggage would probably have won against Donald Trump.
 
The media was probably the biggest factor. Felt like the media somehow managed to equalize both candidates while still focusing more on emails then anything else. They definitely deserve a share of the blame.
 
Millennials of all colors and creeds dared questioned the prematurely coronated nominee. Those assholes. I bet they're secretly sexist and racist too.
 
This was he wrong cycle for the Clinton vanity project, brought to you by DNC hubris.

You don't have anyone to blame but yourselves, let's try to move on and learn the right lessons from this election.
 
They are floating Tim Kaine for 2020 or leading the DNC. Hilary's boring, milquetoast VP pick that did nothing for the campaign, has zero charisma, and is for the TPP.

Unbelievable.

If they do, then they're idiots & have learned nothing. Tim Kaine was very weak as a potential Vice President for Clinton. He didn't do shit, & had almost caused our state that he's currently in to be red (which was Virginia).
 
Yeah, this is a dangerous mindset. While I think that their complaints had a certain amount of impact, I don't think its wise at all to deny looking inward. Hillary herself was an undeniably weak candidate, because of the scandals that followed her. Weather you believe in them or not, the general electorate believed she was guilty of something.

Overall I feel bad for Clinton. She worked her entire life for this. She really, truly wanted to be president. She has to be struggling right now.

Hopefully the Democratic Party reforms. Bernie (or someone like him) should lead the way from this point forward.
 
Corey Robin (a very good left-wing professor and political writer) had this to say about this article:
This reveals a rot that goes much deeper than Clinton, her managers, or even the elites in and around the Democratic Party. This is about a ruling class that has lost all sense of responsibility, all sense of ownership, for the nation it rules or aspires to rule. Contrast this sense of reckless, almost wild, removal from the consequences of their actions—this refusal to accept ownership over the world they have created (you can think of that in narrow ways, i.e., the election, or in broader terms, the social disaster of this country)—with the generation that created an international order after World War II. I don't say that in any nostalgic sense: those men were quite willing to destroy much of the more humane and progressive forces around the world. But they sensed that the world, not even simply the nation, was their responsibility. These people today—and this extends from one end of the Democratic Party to the other end of the Republican Party—see themselves and their fate as bearing no relationship to that of the country they govern. These are the real climate denialists.
 
Blaming Comey is BULLSHIT when Hillary WON THE POPULAR VOTE and LOST STATES LIKE MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN.

Hillary, Podesta, Mook, Palmieri, Benenson fucked up, badly.
 
People got too attached to the idea of Hillary as the first female President.

The fact is, a female candidate without Hillary's baggage would probably have won against Donald Trump.
For damn sure.. for damn sure.

And let me be clear, Hillary has perceived baggage that was blown way out of proportion. I very much feel for her. The DNC sacrificed her.
 
Definitely, a lot of mistakes were made. But the election wasn't lost with a landslide. It was lost by a relatively small percentage of votes. Votes I think you could reasonably deduct were lost due to the statement made by the FBI two weeks prior.

Even if that's true, there's a reason the nothingburger email scandal stuck and Trump's myriad actual scandals didn't, and it has to do with preexisting perceptions of Hillary and who she is.
 
Millennials dared questioned the prematurely coronated nominee. Those assholes. I bet they're sexist and racist too.

Questioning her is fine. But when the option is between her and Trump, and they decide not to turn out and vote – well, this is on those people, too.

I hope they feel happy with their protest "vote."
 
Fuck off with this shit!

It must be true though. Bernie provided an enormous reference point and wake up call to an extremely influential base. And after he stopped running, they never came back to the DNC.

I wish he was better prepared, I actually don't think he was serious about going all the way. His campaign just wasn't fleshed out enough and was so focussed on a few key issues.

I want him to run again, but he will be nearing 80 in 4 years..
 
All of those things are actual problems. She did face a lot of sexism in the media, the Comey did fuck with the election, the media gave wildly disproportionate attention to her email non-scandal. Not so sure about Bernie actually, he did what he could to unite the party. The media and Comey absolutely fucked her over, I don't think that's even debatable.

But she also ran a flawed campaign, took for granted swaths of the electorate and was the wrong candidate for this moment in history. Given how close the states were, adjustments on her part could have overcome her headwinds just enough to get there.

I don't really blame them for not absorbing those failures so early, but they really need to sink in with the party as a whole and reshape the strategy for 2020 (and 2018!).
 
Questioning her is fine. But when the option is between her and Trump, and they decide not to turn out and vote – well, this is on those people, too.

I hope they feel happy with their protest vote.

Lol, you think most white young millennials will care in a bit? I doubt it.
 
This whole narrative about underestimating the anger of the working class doesn't seem to be supported by the actual numbers, though. Republicans turned out in the same numbers they always do – it was Democrats who stayed home.
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So what exactly are you saying there is no angry working class Democrats, or that Democrats once angry turn Republican? Are Republicans simply the angrier people?
 
this wasn't half the mud that was slung in her direction, by a country mile. and was "deplorable" really the worst descriptor?
are we really gonna pretend a bernie campaign wouldnt've (rightfully) called out the white supremacy bullshit that his campaign was on about?

if this narrative is to be believed, half the country took to their privielage being called out & responded by supporting the most openly racist, misogynistic & homophobic platform in ages.



preach

It's hard to buy into this kind of argument when this thread exists.

At any rate, the real culprit was relying on bogus data that pointed them to the wrong states. They needed to devote all their energy to the rust belt but started chasing nonsense goals.

I really wish pollsters and clown publications that had Clinton winning with a "90%+ chance" would get raked over the coals. But the media never criticizes itself. They'll continue pretending like they weren't a gigantic factor in getting Trump elected.

Blaming the polls isn't helping anyone.

Yes, I know racists were empowered by the results. They were after brexit as well and it's vile and disgusting.

That doesn't directly matter though. Clinton should have has a piss easy win against the most horrific scumbag of a person but they screwed it by having people call anyone voting for trump various things, including, yes, deplorable and racist. We all, and I'm guilty of this too, did that instead of actually debating them or trying to change the person's ideas. And now we're stuck with president trump come January and especially on climate change, we are fucked. There's no way that the majority of Trump voters are actually racist but since we all dumped them together instead of actually trying to convince them...

Basically what Johnathon Pie said on the subject in his typical blunt fashion is probably what I agree with.

https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs
 
Those were all factors. But the blame lies on the Clinton Campaign. They fucked up. At first I thought Tim Kaine would be a good VP pick, but he proved to be too superficial, she needed a firebrand by her side. Second mistake was not traveling to the Rust Belt at all in the campaign ensuring the vote there.


No one to blame but themselves at the end of the day.

Also didn't help that they continually insisted they were entitled to the votes of Bernie supporters

Her campaign cared more about moderate republicans than Bernie supporters

Also
Change we can believe in
Make America great again (as fucking stupid and disingenuous as it is)
And....
I have no clue what the fuck her campaign slogan was either of the times she lost
 
The problem was being down six million votes and ignoring the blue collar vote, which you know, used to be the staunch base of the Democrats before Bill opened the door for factories to leave the U.S. Her campaign did not energize the Democratic base, did not speak to those who needed speaking to, and did not instill in voters how deadly serious a Trump presidency would be.

What is a problem going forwards is that the Clinton campaign refuses to acknowledge these things, and without that, her core voting base will resist changes that are necessary to be competitive in 2020. Though I think those changes will come regardless. Bernie has immense political capital within the party now.
 
They are floating Tim Kaine for 2020 or leading the DNC. Hilary's boring, milquetoast VP pick that did nothing for the campaign, has zero charisma, and is for the TPP.

Unbelievable.

Oh God No.
The DNC needs to start scouting for the next Obama yesterday. Sure he might have been one in a billion, but it can't be that hard to find a relative unknown with decent policies and some charisma.

It's like you said, Tim Kaine was a complete non-factor.
 
I recently made a post on Poligaf about this.

Hillary and her team isn't perfect because who the fuck is. But honestly, I don't see what they could have done better.

Pretty much all polls said they were winning the swing states. When you look up michigan and you see that Hillary held a solid lead day after day, week after week, it's not insane to think "Hey, I can assume that state won". I mean, that's why we take polls.

And the media did make this about scandals rather than policies. The amount of time spent on her emails is truly staggering.

And the Comey thing is something EVERYONE seems to agree was completely uncalled for and dirty politics coming from the highest investigative office. I can't tell how many states this hurt her in, but didn't a recent article say that it was in 3 major swing states?

And sexism goes without explanation. I'm not even going to defend this one, it's just true.

And the minority demographics, specifically white women, truly astound me. I don't think I'll ever understand how Trump got more than 53% of that vote.


So I don't know guys. I honestly do feel that the Hillary and her team did the best they could, even with the mismanagement stories coming to light. Maybe we'd have done better with another candidate, but honestly, given how this election was unexpected in just about every way possible, especially the polls, I feel Hillary just did everything she could.

Besides, at some point, voters just have to take responsibility. It's their citizen's right and duty to educate themselves if the media does a crappy job of it, and go out and vote.
 
It's hard to acknowledge that Hillary may have been a really bad choice for some reasons that really weren't her fault. It's no secret that the Democratic candidate, whomever it would be, would be pitted against a party that has mastered the art of shamelessly and relentlessly finding and exploiting bullshit scandals, with a happily complicit media, and to great success. Surely they must have realized that the years of baggage a candidate like Hillary Clinton has would be a huge liability. What exactly was supposed to be so special about Hillary Clinton aside from being a woman to run that risk anyway, despite these obvious dangers, I have no idea. I guess it was "her time" or something. sigh...

Definitely, a lot of mistakes were made. But the election wasn't lost with a landslide. It was lost by a relatively small percentage of votes. Votes I think you could reasonably deduct were lost due to the statement made by the FBI two weeks prior.

Clinton's opponent:
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There was no excuse for this to not be a near blowout.
 
Definitely, a lot of mistakes were made. But the election wasn't lost with a landslide. It was lost by a relatively small percentage of votes. Votes I think you could reasonably deduct were lost due to the statement made by the FBI two weeks prior.

If she were up against another non-establishment GOP member who wasn't anywhere near as abrasive as Trump, it would've absolutely been a landslide. The writing had been on the wall for 6 years at least. That states that turned were already sliding red even when Romney ran, and Romney was labelled a jobs outsourcer. Had the GOP ran someone who didn't support global trade in '12, Obama might've very well lost 1 or 2 of the Rust Belt states back then. The margins had already shrunk between '08 & '12.

This year's campaign just expedited the process in those states, thanks to HRC's campaign basically ignoring rural class voters, and her husband signed NAFTA.
 
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