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Big Brett said:
Any opinions on this? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-50-c...622527.p?skuId=5622527#tabbed-customerreviews

Seems like a really good deal.
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I would strongly recommend you save up a little more and go with something like the Sony XBR X800D instead. LG's top end with OLED are transcendent and transcend most people's wallets. Their standard line with IPS panels generally are really nothing to write home about. Outside the fact they can do 4k and have a decent OS they are very sub par usually.

You'd be better off going with the Hisense 50 or 55H8C if you want best bang for buck price and picture quality without stepping up to pay the extra for HDR.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hisense...h-dynamic-range-black/5524900.p?skuId=5524900

Review: rtings.com/tv/reviews/hisense/h8c

The other option is the Samsung KU6290/6300 although the quality of the Hisense is cheaper and pretty much on par.

The UNKU6290 from Samsung at $300 is the best entry level for a smaller screen.
 
Aztechnology said:
I would strongly recommend you save up a little more and go with something like the Sony XBR X800D instead. LG's top end with OLED are transcendent and transcend most people's wallets. Their standard line with IPS panels generally are really nothing to write home about. Outside the fact they can do 4k and have a decent OS they are very sub par usually.

You'd be better off going with the Hisense 50 or 55H8C if you want best bang for buck price and picture quality without stepping up to pay the extra for HDR.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hisense...h-dynamic-range-black/5524900.p?skuId=5524900

Review: rtings.com/tv/reviews/hisense/h8c

The other option is the Samsung KU6290/6300 although the quality of the Hisense is cheaper and pretty much on par.

The UNKU6290 from Samsung at $300 is the best entry level for a smaller screen.
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If I understand correctly, the Hisense H8C doesn't support HDR any less than the Sony X800D. Both of them lack the nits but at least the H8C has a full-array backlit and can actually get brighter than the Sony.

Both are 10-bit panels and color space coverage is a bit better on the Sony but not drastically so after Hisense firmware updates.

PQ overall also seems better on the Hisense.

My point is that Hisense released a firmware update to support HDR10, but both it and the Sony lack the actual specs to fully support the standard.

Most HDR 10 sets don't actually have all the specs to hit the standard (mainly nits), even $2,000+ TVs. Both HDR 10 and Dolby Vision are terrible standards because no one is actually making anything with the specs to support the standard. There are frankly technological limitations on nits, and they also clearly weren't thinking about eye strain with sets blasting out 1000-4000 nits.

Very few TVs hit 1000 nits, much less 4000 required for Dolby Vision.
 
Is there a way to find what the input lag is for older TVs we're looking to replace ? I'd be easy to know what kind of input lag I'd be fine with if the TV I've had for years was higher I'd know I'd be fine. Would sort of be a way to compare what it feels like before buying or get an approximation of that feeling. Any great resources for that ?
 
ZOONAMI said:
If I understand correctly, the Hisense H8C doesn't support HDR any less than the Sony X800D. Both of them lack the nits but at least the H8C has a full-array backlit and can actually get brighter than the Sony.

Both are 10-bit panels and color space coverage is a bit better on the Sony but not drastically so after Hisense firmware updates.

PQ overall also seems better on the Hisense.

My point is that Hisense released a firmware update to support HDR10, but both it and the Sony lack the actual specs to fully support the standard.

Most HDR 10 sets don't actually have all the specs to hit the standard (mainly nits), even $2,000+ TVs. Both HDR 10 and Dolby Vision are terrible standards because no one is actually making anything with the specs to support the standard. There are frankly technological limitations on nits, and they also clearly weren't thinking about eye strain with sets blasting out 1000-4000 nits.

Very few TVs hit 1000 nits, much less 4000 required for Dolby Vision.
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The Sony doesn't have the brightness equaling sets like the KS8000. But it does have a wider color gamut, where as the Hisense does not.

As you said though the Hisense is pretty much the go to entry level HDR recommendation for 50-55"
 
ZOONAMI said:
If I understand correctly, the Hisense H8C doesn't support HDR any less than the Sony X800D. Both of them lack the nits but at least the H8C has a full-array backlit and can actually get brighter than the Sony.

Both are 10-bit panels and color space coverage is a bit better on the Sony but not drastically so after Hisense firmware updates.

PQ overall also seems better on the Hisense.

My point is that Hisense released a firmware update to support HDR10, but both it and the Sony lack the actual specs to fully support the standard.

Most HDR 10 sets don't actually have all the specs to hit the standard (mainly nits), even $2,000+ TVs. Both HDR 10 and Dolby Vision are terrible standards because no one is actually making anything with the specs to support the standard. There are frankly technological limitations on nits, and they also clearly weren't thinking about eye strain with sets blasting out 1000-4000 nits.

Very few TVs hit 1000 nits, much less 4000 required for Dolby Vision.
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is that the TV that Target is going to have for $250 on Black Friday? If so that's extremely tempting

Aztechnology said:
The Sony doesn't have the brightness equaling sets like the KS8000. But it does have a wider color gamut, where as the Hisense does not.

As you said though the Hisense is pretty much the go to entry level HDR recommendation for 50-55"
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So does that mean the Sony has full HDR while the Hisense does not?
 
graywolf323 said:
is that the TV that Target is going to have for $250 on Black Friday? If so that's extremely tempting



So does that mean the Sony has full HDR while the Hisense does not?
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I highly doubt the target model will be an H8C.

Neither the Sony or or Hisense has full HDR, but you could argue the Hisense has better back-lighting and the Sony has a wider color gamut.

Both very comparable and both don't get bright enough for full HDR 10 where you need 1,000 nits brightness.

I would say the Sony the specs are a bit more clear. Hisense has said the H8C 55" version has a wide color gamut and also that the 55" is an IPS and the 50" is a VA.

It's a bit harder to know what's going on with the Hisense. Rtings says it is a 10-bit panel but some people seem fairly convinced it is an 8-bit.

There aren't any reviews on the 55" so it's even harder to know what's going on with that one.

But generally it seems people who have the H8C 50 or 55 are very happy with it, and it passes all Xbox One S and PS4 Pro tests. Same goes for the Sony x800d. You could probably say the x800d is closer to a full HDR 10 set because of the somewhat wider color space, but because it is edge lit that basically makes it fake HDR as well.
 
65" KS8000 just delivered by OnTrac. Just yesterday both OnTrac and Samsung had differing statements on the shipment. OnTrac said they didn't receive it, Samsung said they shipped it. Then Samsung said they didn't ship it. And just now was delivered and the tracking shows delivered on OnTrac lol. My cousin sent me picture. Said looks good aside from dent/rip in box but said it shouldn't impact anything. I am going to turn on and view dead pixel test stuff on youtube at his house to check and then run a black screen to verify no abnormal light bleed. If all is good, then getting an almost flagship 65" for $1279 was a steal.
 
Dash_Riprock said:
So I'm looking at the Sony XBR43X800D right now, should I just buy it now or wait and see if there's a deal for it on Black Friday/Cyber Monday?
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I haven't seen that model in any Black Friday ad so far. The X800D was apparently produced in limited quantities (most stores only ever have 1 or 2 in stock) so I wouldn't expect it to be on sale.
 
Still umming and ahhing over a Pioneer VSX-831 receiver to replace my Sony DH820.

Only ever had 2 amps and both were Sony, but I'm 99.999999% certain I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. That's why I'm not spending £1000 on one lol.
 
Art Vandilay said:
If your KS8000 is being delivered by AGS then you should call them as soon as possible to give them your phone number. These people are a joke.
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Yep. Had to do that yesterday and then today they called me to schedule a delivery on Monday. But they're only available 1-5pm. And you can only leave 1 person to accept the delivery. Horrible service lol.
 
So I've not been paying attention at all to HDR technology.

Decided on getting a new big TV now with my new PS4. Look into it, find out there's a format war in HDR? DolbyVision vs HDR10?

Is it a sure thing HDR10 is going to win? Or is it bananas to buy into this now.
 
coopolon said:
So I've not been paying attention at all to HDR technology.

Decided on getting a new big TV now with my new PS4. Look into it, find out there's a format war in HDR? DolbyVision vs HDR10?

Is it a sure thing HDR10 is going to win? Or is it bananas to buy into this now.
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So far it looks like HDR10 is all you need for gaming. I don't think any TV that supports Dolby Vision doesn't also support HDR10 now that the Vizio P (and M?) line(s) were patched with a firmware update.
 
Dolby Vision is the better choice, but also will only really appear on the very top end sets and isn't getting as much content mastered in it as yet. HDR10 is what UDB Blu Rays have to be.

But having a TV that is Dolby Vision certified gets you the best of both worlds, 12 and 10 bit.
 
DBT85 said:
Dolby Vision is the better choice, but also will only really appear on the very top end sets and isn't getting as much content mastered in it as yet. HDR10 is what UDB Blu Rays have to be.

But having a TV that is Dolby Vision certified gets you the best of both worlds, 12 and 10 bit.
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Seems like the Vizio are what have both, but they all have bad input lag with hdr gaming?
 
For those of us that wanted the smaller option, the 49 inch KS8000 is on sale for $898 on Amazon right now. If you look under used, there are a lot on sale from Amazon Warehouse for $740-$785. I managed to get a "Used - Very Good (Item is in original packaging, but packaging may come damaged. Item is pristine and without scratches)" for $785. In my experience, this usually means brand new with a slightly torn box. There are still 10 of those left. :D

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D98AQ30/?tag=neogaf0e-20
 
Kinda random, but thanks again to Mindman and all those that gave out invites last week. Got my Samsung 8000 today and it is fantastic!
 
wig said:
For those of us that wanted the smaller option, the 49 inch KS8000 is on sale for $898 on Amazon right now. If you look under used, there are a lot on sale from Amazon Warehouse for $740-$785. I managed to get a "Used - Very Good (Item is in original packaging, but packaging may come damaged. Item is pristine and without scratches)" for $785. In my experience, this usually means brand new with a slightly torn box. There are still 10 of those left. :D

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D98AQ30/?tag=neogaf0e-20
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How good is this TV btw? Top of the line HDR TV right now other then the OLED versions?
 
MildSoss said:
Do the used TV's come with some kind of warranty? That 785 deal looks really good right now. lol
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Just the manufacturer warranty. Good thing about buying from Amazon is their great customer service so you should be able to easily return it if it has any problems.
 
Amazon has the 55KS8000 for $997. No tax and free shipping, but I'm sure it'll still show up cheaper somewhere else soon enough. I'm just done waiting and researching so I jumped on it, with delivery scheduled for next Saturday. They've also been good about TV deliveries (and returns) for me in the past...so yeah, couldn't resist.
 
ZOONAMI said:
I highly doubt the target model will be an H8C.

Neither the Sony or or Hisense has full HDR, but you could argue the Hisense has better back-lighting and the Sony has a wider color gamut.

Both very comparable and both don't get bright enough for full HDR 10 where you need 1,000 nits brightness.

I would say the Sony the specs are a bit more clear. Hisense has said the H8C 55" version has a wide color gamut and also that the 55" is an IPS and the 50" is a VA.

It's a bit harder to know what's going on with the Hisense. Rtings says it is a 10-bit panel but some people seem fairly convinced it is an 8-bit.

There aren't any reviews on the 55" so it's even harder to know what's going on with that one.

But generally it seems people who have the H8C 50 or 55 are very happy with it, and it passes all Xbox One S and PS4 Pro tests. Same goes for the Sony x800d. You could probably say the x800d is closer to a full HDR 10 set because of the somewhat wider color space, but because it is edge lit that basically makes it fake HDR as well.
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That's not quite true. The Ks series are edgelit, but do pretty well with HDR.
 
Finally got the TV setup and the Pro hooked to it. Holy shit, I'm blown away! Any worry I had about the input lag was put to rest. Everything feels great. Really wish Destiny had a Pro patch. Still looks incredible though.
 
JDM said:
I wish that Amazon KS8000 deal was UK too.

Im currently torn between a LG OLED B6 and a KS8000.
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I was in the same boat, but after seeing the B6 and 8000 literally side by side, I knew I had to have the OLED. Price is starting to drop, though I doubt it goes below $2k, at least until years end.

It's one helluva TV.
 
DBT85 said:
Still umming and ahhing over a Pioneer VSX-831 receiver to replace my Sony DH820.

Only ever had 2 amps and both were Sony, but I'm 99.999999% certain I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. That's why I'm not spending £1000 on one lol.
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The people on avforums willl want to know what speakers you have and whether they suit a particular brands flaour of sound. I'm enough of a heathen to be happy with any of the big brands. I went with Yamaha last time for the twin HDMI outputs (have a projector) and wasn't overly worried about the sound.

£299 for a HDR receiver with chromecast, Spotify and airplay built in sounds pretty great. I suppose the only wrinkle is if dynamic metadata or something in 2017 needs a tweak to the HDMI spec. I might try living with compressed audio for a while and have the pro connected directly.
 
MastAndo said:
Amazon has the 55KS8000 for $997. No tax and free shipping, but I'm sure it'll still show up cheaper somewhere else soon enough. I'm just done waiting and researching so I jumped on it, with delivery scheduled for next Saturday. They've also been good about TV deliveries (and returns) for me in the past...so yeah, couldn't resist.
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Thank you for this.

Took the leap and ordered that + the Pro on Amazon. TV won't be here until next weekend but I'm excited to see the improvements the Pro has to offer on a 1080p screen before diving into 4k.
 
Anyone who got the 65" KS8000 want to give me the length and height of the box before I go to pick mine up from my uncle's house? Want to make sure it'll fit in the vehicle.

Edit: Nvm, got the shipping dimensions from the site.
 
Redoing my TV area is slowly my enthusiasmi for going from 50" to 55". But it'll be a good opportunity to tidy some of the cable spaghetti back there
 
What I love about the X800D is Sony provides cable ties and the back of the stand is designed to hold and hide wires from both ends. So you get a seamless wire free look from the front.
 
wig said:
For those of us that wanted the smaller option, the 49 inch KS8000 is on sale for $898 on Amazon right now. If you look under used, there are a lot on sale from Amazon Warehouse for $740-$785. I managed to get a "Used - Very Good (Item is in original packaging, but packaging may come damaged. Item is pristine and without scratches)" for $785. In my experience, this usually means brand new with a slightly torn box. There are still 10 of those left. :D

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D98AQ30/?tag=neogaf0e-20
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I wish we had this in europe
 
When people say support hdr, i suppose it is not just the peak brightness portion, iirc you also get more realistic colors, hence you want a 10 bit panel?

I would also avoid LG led uhdtv, the panels inside them are RGBW, aka pentile displays, aka lower resolutions.
 
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