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Official NHL 2010 |OT| Off-Season Thread of What If Winnipeg Never Left?

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yankeehater said:
Zherdev had like 70 points on a terrible Rangers team a few years ago, I really think he could but up good numbers for the Flyers this year, and he is younger and doesnt have the injury history of Gange. I agree that the Flyers have overpaid for D men this offseason, but they really didnt have a lot of choices. They had to desperately improve their D. No way could they get into a situation where they only had 2 D pairings again. Every time the third group went on the ice, the Hawks got great chances. They just need to to address the goalie problem, no fucking way can they ever trust Leighton again in a big situation. He chocked so bad in the Finals, I dont even want him as the backup now.
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Zherdev was only a good signing because he's the only player we didn't overpay for this offseason, we could have done a lot worse there. He doesn't compare to Gagne though, who at full health is a waaay better offensive and defensive player. and you never have to question his effort. Gagne was the odd man out before the offseason anyway, but I'm not happy we got raped by Yzerman and the Bolts for him.

I don't think we upgraded the D at all, I thought Bartulis played pretty well in his limited time with the team in the playoffs. I don't see Meszaros (offensive d-man with poor +-), Matt Walker (trash) or O'Donnell (trash) as that big of an upgrade over Krajicek.

I'm not a fan of Leighton either but he can stay as the backup, I wanted either Nabokov, Turco or Dan Ellis but our idiot GM lowballed the only of those 3 still available so it's unlikely he will want to sign with us.
 
yankeehater said:
That is both teams. :lol
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I wanted a 17yr contract. :(


Fei said:
God, I just realized we are going to have to wait to see where Kovalchuk will go.. all over again. :(
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Don't worry, he may still sign before the beginning of the season. :lol Maybe rangers will feel gutsy now! :D
 
Knew it was going to happen - sorry but when one player in the last 30 years makes it to age 44 then something has to give

Now the NHL probably will give no leeway to new jersey - if he signs past 40 years it should be auto rejected

Also hope for a salary cap fine too of $5 mil
 
Just saw mindblowing news on TSN. Cold-blooded move by the NHL. You wanna reject Kovalchuk's contract do it with new rules in the next CBA. It's cheating, but hey, the NHL allowed guys like Hossa and Luongo cheat.

I know in my heart I think it's the right call, but at the same time I think the Devils and Kovalchuk will be incensed given that the NHL has started with Kovy rather than with Hossa or Savard. Basically, you are allowed to cheat, as long as your cap circumventing contracts lasts 13 years or less.

edit: Toned down the post a little.
 
nourali2 said:
Just saw mindblowing news on TSN. Cold-blooded move by the NHL. You wanna reject Kovalchuk's contract do it with new rules in the next CBA. It's cheating, but hey, the NHL allowed guys like Hossa and Luongo cheat.

I know in my heart I think it's the right call, but at the same time I think the Devils and Kovalchuk will be incensed given that the NHL has started with Kovy rather than with Hossa or Savard.

edit: Toned down the post a little.
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If anyone cheated, it was the organizations, not the players.

And 17 years is a lot different than 12 (Luongo, Hossa) is a lot different than 7 (Savard).
 
You are not allowed to cheat - this was clear cheating considering the amount of players that have hit age 44

I really really hope the NHL gives the $5 mil cap fine just so that GMs will no longer try to sign past 40 - they'd be too damn afraid of losing all that cap space
 
Socreges said:
If anyone cheated, it was the organizations, not the players.

And 17 years is a lot different than 12 (Luongo, Hossa) is a lot different than 7 (Savard).
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Luongo and Hossa are also making $1M in the final years of their respective deals. Kovy has 5 years of league minimum and another at 750K at the end of his.
 
He'll probably signed a 15 years contract, to make it look like he'll retire at 42. Just like Hossa. They might also slightly bump his salary for the last 2-3 years.
 
Kifimbo said:
He'll probably signed a 15 years contract, to make it look like he'll retire at 42. Just like Hossa. They might also slightly bump his salary for the last 2-3 years.
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Who takes the hit then? Less money for Kovalchuk or a bigger salary cap hit for the Devils?
 
Socreges said:
Who takes the hit then? Less money for Kovalchuk or a bigger salary cap hit for the Devils?
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Both. Kovy might take a little less money, since he would look like a fool to play elsewhere after what he said ("it's not all about the money", "I want to be a winner") and the cap hit will be a little higher for the Devils.
 
They can't do a 15 year one now

NHL investigates contracts that go past 40 years of age, they already have evidence of circumvention so the same evidence can be re used, therefore new jersey is limited to 13 years... If they're found guilty again, there will be guaranteed big fines to everyone involved

CBA states gm can be fined and suspended, player fined a million bucks, team fined 5 million in cap space, forfeit of draft picks and forfeit games

Too much risk to try doing it again
 
Amazing move by the NHL--totally unexpected. Going to be really interesting to see what happens next.
 
DopeyFish said:
They can't do a 15 year one now

NHL investigates contracts that go past 40 years of age, they already have evidence of circumvention so the same evidence can be re used, therefore new jersey is limited to 13 years... If they're found guilty again, there will be guaranteed big fines to everyone involved

CBA states gm can be fined and suspended, player fined a million bucks, team fined 5 million in cap space, forfeit of draft picks and forfeit games

Too much risk to try doing it again
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Luongo and Hossa contracts (maybe Franzen and Pronger too) end at 42 years of age, so I don't think the NHL will reject it. It wouldn't be fair. Especially if they raise his salary for the last few years.
 
When these new long term deals were being done, I asked what is stopping someone from signing a 20 year deal. Glad the NHL actually stepped up and did the actual right thing.
 
Kifimbo said:
Luongo and Hossa contracts (maybe Franzen and Pronger too) end at 42 years of age, so I don't think the NHL will reject it. It wouldn't be fair. Especially if they raise his salary for the last few years.
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Yeah but they couldn't find evidence after investigation, they DO have evidence between kovalchuk and the devils now so 42 years = cap circumvention with prior evidence - pronger is a 35+ contract meaning guaranteed cap hit regardless if retired so that one is fine
 
SA-X said:
Apparently nhl.com still hasn't gotten the memo. God damn orgasm of kovy/devils articles on the front page.
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They're always behind like that. How many times in the regular season does the scoring lead change hands only to have the wrong player represented for days at a time. It's a poorly-run website that any of us would do a better job managing.
 
Oh yeah and his agent grossman afaik is toast too - if you are guilty of circumvention, you lose your status as a player agent
 
This is the type of big hockey news I've waited for this summer.
 
DopeyFish said:
Yeah but they couldn't find evidence after investigation, they DO have evidence between kovalchuk and the devils now so 42 years = cap circumvention with prior evidence - pronger is a 35+ contract meaning guaranteed cap hit regardless if retired so that one is fine
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What kind of evidence? Or is it just that with virtually no player playing to that age already, they found reasonable cause to reject it? Was it just that they had the blatant 5 seasons of $500k tacked on to the tail end of the contract?

I'm glad it was rejected; these deals are as ugly as sin. I think he takes the KHL $$$ now.
 
bonesmccoy said:
What kind of evidence? Or is it just that with virtually no player playing to that age already, they found reasonable cause to reject it? Was it just that they had the blatant 5 seasons of $500k tacked on to the tail end of the contract?

I'm glad it was rejected; these deals are as ugly as sin. I think he takes the KHL $$$ now.
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CBA states it is at their discretion (their being the NHL) and the interview way up on this very page basically nails lou as exploiting the cap

there could be possibly more that the NHL has than that - if i were to guess... kovalchuk will not be a new jersey devil next year unless he gets the NHLPA to file grievance. if he does that, it will go to arbitration and the/a contract will be guaranteed

basically kovalchuks cap hit will rocket to $8 mil/season if an arbitrator rules in favour of the NHL (very likely) and new jersey will be completely screwed cap wise. this is also outside of a possible penalty imposed on the devils for agreeing to the absurd contract - and you could potentially see the devils in a complete firesale/rebuild mode
 
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