Red Arremer
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Rumor Mill (TAKE WITH GRAIN OF SALT): Marvel vs Capcom 4 revealing at PSX/Capcom Cup
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What, no Mack, Sitwell or Sousa? Please.
Alright, alright... I have finally gotten home and had a time to sit on my butt and type up something with substance on this.
I feel like a timeline is in order for how Marvel 4 is an actual thing that might be happening and we aren't just banking everything on a single rumor.
*Marvel expresses interest in developing AAA console games.
This is very big for MVC's existence because before this announcement it seemed that Marvel was more interested in mobile games. That may still be the case but they aren't abandoning console Marvel games but in fact putting more effort into it. The Sony Spider Man game is the starting point for this new endeavor.
*Marvel recognizes that fans are very interested in the MVC.
Again this is significant because Marvel themselves are recognizing the demand for the series, not just Capcom. By itself it doesn't mean much but coming off of their renewed interest in console games, this is most assuring.
*YogaFlame24 claims Marvel 4 is in the works.
Also claims that testing begins as early as 2017.
Our first public rumor of Marvel 4's existence as far as I know. YogaDhalsim is a FG Youtube video content creator so it's hardly a nobody on the Internet. He also claimed that testing begins in 2017 which means that by that time they should have a playable version of the game and have a possible release target in early 2018 (when practically all Capcom fighting games release in).
*Yipes schedules Curleh Mustache Battle Royale with Angelic's Undefeated 2017
There hasn't been a CM in a while. Not only hasn't there been a CM in a while but a Battle Royale as well. From Yipes' perspective, it's very difficult to organize an event of this scale if the interest is low and right now Marvel 3 interest is a bit on the low side. If Yipes was in on the rumor then he would try his best to capitalize on the hype and bring back the CM event as it remains a fan and player favorite event.
*Yipes brought in as commentator for Red Bull Events
Yipes isn't really known as a SFV commentator ESPECIALLY in the E-sports field. This is just not something he has a lot of practice with. When they announced Yipes as a commentator it was a bit curious for me. Practically nothing by itself but it starts to add up. This could be his initiation into Marvel CPT events.
Oh and Yipes + Persia duo will be at Capcom Cup as far as I know. If there is a Marvel 4 announcement then they will be well poised to receive the hype.
*Maximillian produces Marvel content after a long hiatus from it.
Most notably the "Patches are important, a UMVC3 story" video.
Max has become a variety game streamer by now and understandably so he puts out far less Marvel related content than he used to. There was a considerable hiatus in the Marvel videos (around 3 months) until they suddenly started right around the time the rumors started flying. This is probably another big coincidence and Maximillian has no idea about a Marvel 4 in existence (and is just riding the rumor wave like all of us) but the timing of it feels fishy. I am just going to put this out there and let the people decide.
And now for the big and current rumor:
Ryce claims that not only is Marvel 4 in the works but will be revealed as early as at the end of Capcom Cup in early December.
We have a massive thread on it with more developing information and sources coming out but to put it briefly this rumor is important for three reasons:
*It puts a definite time stamp on a reveal. Easier to debunk because the rumor has an expiration date so someone making a rumor like this is less likely to fake it for the risk of ban.
*Mods have attempted to verify the source of this and it seems to be legit enough that the rumor is allowed to stand on NeoGAF.
*Other people have come out with similar information.
Including Mr.Wizard, the organizer of Evolution.
SneakersSO backs up the existence of Marvel 4 with sources of his own.
We also have mention of exclusivity on PS4/PC by SneakersSO again.
Various Lupinko teases have been sighted as well but are very hard to decipher. You probably need an entire thread for those assuming they are tweets worth analyzing.
Other rumors have stated that Combofiend is going to be the Battle Director of this which is not at all surprising.
(We have had false Marvel 4 rumors in the past and I didn't include them for obvious reasons)
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Now what does this all mean? What do we do with all of these rumors?
Let's assume that Marvel 4 is a real thing. Certainly that's what all of these rumors are claiming and there's no point in having any discussion if we don't have an assumption to work off of.
The next thing to check for is the timing. It seems to me that this Marvel mandate went out before the development of the Spider Man game so MVC4 probably parallels that as well. I am thinking 2 years of development time has been put into it as well by now.
If the game is indeed going to be playable late 2016/early 2017 then that's a fairly short turn around time. It took Marvel 3 longer in development time. Assuming this is all true (that Marvel 4 is going to end up taking less dev time to release than Marvel 3)... we can probably assume two more things:
*Marvel 4 will probably retain a lot of the assets from Marvel 3. Would honestly be the smart thing to do.
*Marvel 4 will probably launch with less characters than Marvel 3 at the start, following a similar distribution model to SFV.
We already have rumors that this game might be exclusive to PS4/PC, which indicates considerable Sony involvement. With Marvel being more involved in console development and Sony backing up Marvel 4... we now have a good idea as to how Marvel 4 exists to begin with despite Capcom's poor financial status. Some combination of Sony and Marvel footing the bill is what is paying for the game and this makes the most sense to me as well. It's very unlikely that Capcom would've been able to afford a Marvel 4 by themselves.
Beyond that we can't make any reasonable assumptions. There has been no information on the roster. People will try to convince others that X Men characters aren't coming but Marvel has clearly relaxed their policies against X Men characters as of late.
We have absolutely no information on the game play mechanics. We don't even know for sure if this is going to be a 3v3 Assist based game or not. No idea if X Factor is returning or not. No idea about controls either (ABC vs LH 4 button system of Marvel 2).
We don't know what engine this is going to be on. Safe bet is on UE4 but Capcom right now has a bunch of engines that they are working on including the custome RE7 engine.
We don't know how involved it will be in the CPT or E sports scene. The rumor about it being put out for testing indicates that Capcom intends to take it seriously competitively at least initially.
We don't know how long the license exists for, what kind of DLC options are going to be available and how the post release support will be?
No real idea about how this is all related to the Akuma tease.
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So yeah not a lot of information can be extrapolated from these rumors. Maybe Marvel 4 is announced at Capcom Cup as PS4/PC exclusive with early testing in 2017 and has been in development for 2 years with possibility of CPT involvement and post release support. Or maybe it's all wrong and we have no Marvel 4 coming.
I personally think Marvel 4 exists but I am not as convince that it will be unveiled at Capcom Cup. Seems rather early for it but who knows.
If anyone has any additional information to this then please come forward. I have tried to compile stuff to the best of my ability.
I feel like a timeline is in order for how Marvel 4 is an actual thing that might be happening and we aren't just banking everything on a single rumor.
*Marvel expresses interest in developing AAA console games.
This is very big for MVC's existence because before this announcement it seemed that Marvel was more interested in mobile games. That may still be the case but they aren't abandoning console Marvel games but in fact putting more effort into it. The Sony Spider Man game is the starting point for this new endeavor.
*Marvel recognizes that fans are very interested in the MVC.
Again this is significant because Marvel themselves are recognizing the demand for the series, not just Capcom. By itself it doesn't mean much but coming off of their renewed interest in console games, this is most assuring.
*YogaFlame24 claims Marvel 4 is in the works.
Also claims that testing begins as early as 2017.
Our first public rumor of Marvel 4's existence as far as I know. YogaDhalsim is a FG Youtube video content creator so it's hardly a nobody on the Internet. He also claimed that testing begins in 2017 which means that by that time they should have a playable version of the game and have a possible release target in early 2018 (when practically all Capcom fighting games release in).
*Yipes schedules Curleh Mustache Battle Royale with Angelic's Undefeated 2017
There hasn't been a CM in a while. Not only hasn't there been a CM in a while but a Battle Royale as well. From Yipes' perspective, it's very difficult to organize an event of this scale if the interest is low and right now Marvel 3 interest is a bit on the low side. If Yipes was in on the rumor then he would try his best to capitalize on the hype and bring back the CM event as it remains a fan and player favorite event.
*Yipes brought in as commentator for Red Bull Events
Yipes isn't really known as a SFV commentator ESPECIALLY in the E-sports field. This is just not something he has a lot of practice with. When they announced Yipes as a commentator it was a bit curious for me. Practically nothing by itself but it starts to add up. This could be his initiation into Marvel CPT events.
Oh and Yipes + Persia duo will be at Capcom Cup as far as I know. If there is a Marvel 4 announcement then they will be well poised to receive the hype.
*Maximillian produces Marvel content after a long hiatus from it.
Most notably the "Patches are important, a UMVC3 story" video.
Max has become a variety game streamer by now and understandably so he puts out far less Marvel related content than he used to. There was a considerable hiatus in the Marvel videos (around 3 months) until they suddenly started right around the time the rumors started flying. This is probably another big coincidence and Maximillian has no idea about a Marvel 4 in existence (and is just riding the rumor wave like all of us) but the timing of it feels fishy. I am just going to put this out there and let the people decide.
And now for the big and current rumor:
Ryce claims that not only is Marvel 4 in the works but will be revealed as early as at the end of Capcom Cup in early December.
We have a massive thread on it with more developing information and sources coming out but to put it briefly this rumor is important for three reasons:
*It puts a definite time stamp on a reveal. Easier to debunk because the rumor has an expiration date so someone making a rumor like this is less likely to fake it for the risk of ban.
*Mods have attempted to verify the source of this and it seems to be legit enough that the rumor is allowed to stand on NeoGAF.
*Other people have come out with similar information.
Including Mr.Wizard, the organizer of Evolution.
SneakersSO backs up the existence of Marvel 4 with sources of his own.
We also have mention of exclusivity on PS4/PC by SneakersSO again.
Various Lupinko teases have been sighted as well but are very hard to decipher. You probably need an entire thread for those assuming they are tweets worth analyzing.
Other rumors have stated that Combofiend is going to be the Battle Director of this which is not at all surprising.
(We have had false Marvel 4 rumors in the past and I didn't include them for obvious reasons)
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Now what does this all mean? What do we do with all of these rumors?
Let's assume that Marvel 4 is a real thing. Certainly that's what all of these rumors are claiming and there's no point in having any discussion if we don't have an assumption to work off of.
The next thing to check for is the timing. It seems to me that this Marvel mandate went out before the development of the Spider Man game so MVC4 probably parallels that as well. I am thinking 2 years of development time has been put into it as well by now.
If the game is indeed going to be playable late 2016/early 2017 then that's a fairly short turn around time. It took Marvel 3 longer in development time. Assuming this is all true (that Marvel 4 is going to end up taking less dev time to release than Marvel 3)... we can probably assume two more things:
*Marvel 4 will probably retain a lot of the assets from Marvel 3. Would honestly be the smart thing to do.
*Marvel 4 will probably launch with less characters than Marvel 3 at the start, following a similar distribution model to SFV.
We already have rumors that this game might be exclusive to PS4/PC, which indicates considerable Sony involvement. With Marvel being more involved in console development and Sony backing up Marvel 4... we now have a good idea as to how Marvel 4 exists to begin with despite Capcom's poor financial status. Some combination of Sony and Marvel footing the bill is what is paying for the game and this makes the most sense to me as well. It's very unlikely that Capcom would've been able to afford a Marvel 4 by themselves.
Beyond that we can't make any reasonable assumptions. There has been no information on the roster. People will try to convince others that X Men characters aren't coming but Marvel has clearly relaxed their policies against X Men characters as of late.
We have absolutely no information on the game play mechanics. We don't even know for sure if this is going to be a 3v3 Assist based game or not. No idea if X Factor is returning or not. No idea about controls either (ABC vs LH 4 button system of Marvel 2).
We don't know what engine this is going to be on. Safe bet is on UE4 but Capcom right now has a bunch of engines that they are working on including the custome RE7 engine.
We don't know how involved it will be in the CPT or E sports scene. The rumor about it being put out for testing indicates that Capcom intends to take it seriously competitively at least initially.
We don't know how long the license exists for, what kind of DLC options are going to be available and how the post release support will be?
No real idea about how this is all related to the Akuma tease.
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So yeah not a lot of information can be extrapolated from these rumors. Maybe Marvel 4 is announced at Capcom Cup as PS4/PC exclusive with early testing in 2017 and has been in development for 2 years with possibility of CPT involvement and post release support. Or maybe it's all wrong and we have no Marvel 4 coming.
I personally think Marvel 4 exists but I am not as convince that it will be unveiled at Capcom Cup. Seems rather early for it but who knows.
If anyone has any additional information to this then please come forward. I have tried to compile stuff to the best of my ability.
BoosterDuck
Banned
Who does Capcom even have left to add?
The Monster Hunter Stories hero and Leon?
they could probably add M. Bison and Scrooge McDuck if Disney lets them
you know what fuck it just make a Disney fighter
The Monster Hunter Stories hero and Leon?
they could probably add M. Bison and Scrooge McDuck if Disney lets them
you know what fuck it just make a Disney fighter
Purple Cheeto
Member
Breath of Fire Ryu believe.
DerekOfTheDykes
Member
Bucky isn't going to replace Spencer, because Bucky's arm doesn't shoot across the screen and grab people. That grapple arm is a hell of a thing.
Nah, if Spencer doesn't come back, it will be because his moveset and gimmick weren't enough to overcome his (unfortunate) lack of relevance in the gaming world.
I'm gonna wreck it!!
what i'm trying to say here is let me create a team that is entirely voiced by reuben langdon
NinjaCoachZ
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As far as IPs that existed before MVC3, Breath of Fire and Power Stone have never been featured in crossovers. Onimusha only once. Dino Crisis never in a fighting game.
BoF is weird because it is probably the single biggest Capcom franchise that AFAIK has literally never been acknowledged in any of their crossovers. I guess they're scared of having two Ryus or something??
Didn't stop Tatsunoko from having Viewtiful Joe and Joe the Condor...
EDIT AFTER SEEING ABOVE POST: Oh shoot, Sengoku Basara is a big one too.
I care.
Here's the perfect Capcom roster of heavy hitters to match yours.
Capcom:
1) Handsome Bob
2) Kyle Travers
3) Vanessa Sims
4) Sgt. Sims
5) Pako
6) Vito Bracca
7) Father Bella
8) The Stiff
9) Celeste
10) 2-Ill
ãInaba Residentã
Banned
Good write-up, Dahbomb. Better to have all the information in one place
paolo11
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Starphoenix
Member
Before anyone asks if I have some extra information that can shed light on this, I do and if I didn't say so then I would be lying and mods would be easily able to catch it as it was all documented on GAF PMs.
I will of course not reveal the names of the people and/or sources, I very much like to retain them so they can continue to do what they do.
I realize that by saying this that I have put myself in the crossfires for a potential ban and that's ok.
I will of course not reveal the names of the people and/or sources, I very much like to retain them so they can continue to do what they do.
I realize that by saying this that I have put myself in the crossfires for a potential ban and that's ok.
They have so many damn characters they can add from series that they completely ignore. But nah they'll just add 20 street fighter characters and morrigan and Felicia
what i'm trying to say here is let me create a team that is entirely voiced by reuben langdon
Those guys said no, The not dynasty warriors guys didn't want their characters in marvel 3, i'm going to assume nothing has changed.
BoosterDuck
Banned
i just saw this and wanted to say i appreciate this joke even if it flew over other's heads
Choppasmith
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Undead Fantasy
Member
Go on.
Wait. I don't understand. Why would you get banned for knowing something but pretending that you don't? Isn't that what you're supposed to do in most cases? And even if you pretended to not know more, how would mods know anyway? How are our GAF PMs 'documented'? I don't believe mods are going through our PMs just to pass the time. Unless a mod was involved in the PM exchange, and said mod saw you post and not disclose that you know more, it wouldn't happen. And what rule are you breaking to deserve a ban from said mod?
Your long post before this was a good compilation, 'follow the money, people' kind of post. This follow up post feels overly dramatic and has left me confused more than anything
DerekOfTheDykes
Member
If you have anything, think carefully on what you reveal. Less about the mods, more about your source. If you really have a source it should be easy to prove to the mods you aren't jerking people around, but it isn't worth it if you think it could narrow your source down too easily.
Then again, if you think it's general enough that a number of people should feasibly know it, have at it man.
Even though I was only lurking then, seeing this stuff reminds me of the old days when MvC3 was announced. This is crazy.
Those that played Sentinel in X-Men? And Sentinels are synonymous with the X-Men and Marvel.
Troubled Bat
Member
Just random characters thrown out.
Asura, Yasha, Augus, Chakravartin (Asura's Wrath)
Lute (Monster Hunter Stories)
Ryu, Nina (Breath of Fire)
Nilin (Remember Me)
Date, Yukimura (Sengoku Basara)
Edward Fokker, Rouge (Power Stone)
Bren Turner (E.X. Troopers)
Sissel (Ghost Trick)
Gene (God Hand)
Regina (Dino Crisis)
Zack & Wiki (Zack & Wiki)
Princess Tiara (Gaia Masters)
i fully expect nero to take spencer's place, topped with even more stupid shit
why does nobody want to put in dragon's dogma man
it could be savan too idk
dont yall wanna hear the fighting game version of the arisen's theme when he pops in?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTNfuztCMgM
it could be savan too idk
dont yall wanna hear the fighting game version of the arisen's theme when he pops in?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTNfuztCMgM
secretanchitman
Member
Let's hear it!
Troubled Bat
Member
To be honest, I'd love to see Sieg Warheit.
Red Arremer
Member
They have? Where do you get that from? I don't see any mutants in any of the games that got released post mid-2014.
They have eased up for merchandise, but this recent shift has yet to impact the games. Supposedly Marvel will ease up on the restrictions for games next year.
Mr. Smiley
Member
I'd say if they do that, they should do a Bowser Jr and go ham on color slots. Make each color varied by basing it on armor and character presets, albeit same size/frame.
Hitbox be damned.
MY NIGGA
Red Arremer
Member
Yeah I heard of the merchandise bit, but as you said, that is a supposedly. A rumour.
And if MvC4 is well into development (as Dahbomb believes), it's very unlikely that this rumoured easing up has trickled into MvC4, either.
So I'm still maintaining the argument that it's unlikely there'll be Fox characters in MvC4, at least not the base roster (if the rumoured lift of the restriction does happen).
Samanosuke Akechi
Member
I've also received what is probably the same information you have via PM and texts from various different people about where this originates, at this point I think it's spread like wildfire via PM and quite a number of people know and are telling others who are telling others, but putting names out there publicly (even though, they're kinda out there) such that they can get in trouble is a bad idea.
I don't know if I'm risking a ban for even mentioning this, since I assume this is the same information the mods got because it seems so many people have it, but to be clear I'm not claiming to be an insider nor passing an evaluation on this information making it more or less likely that MvC4 is happening. Not just because I want to cover my own ass here and don't want to inflate people's hopes of put a carrot in front of them, but also because I really don't know and am not one to vet. Also, don't PM me asking for it.
If the rumored lifting of Fox restrictions is gonna hit the games next year, I could definitely see the Fox characters being DLC if they aren't in the base roster. Of course, I'm hoping for them to be in the base roster, but I'm trying to keep my expectations in check (assuming the game is even happening at all).
That said, I recall there being a rumor that Avengers Academy will be adding X-Men characters next year, hence me hoping that games that came out or were in development during the time of the restrictions could renegotiate & add in Fox characters later down the road (if they can't do so on Day 1).
InsanerBrainer
Member
A Chaos Legion character to promote the new remake
by Platinum!
Sieg or Delacroix would be dope as fuck.
Dmc reboot Dante.
Hell No.
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