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2016-17 TV Cancellations Thread: TNT finds "Nothing can come of nothing."
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PHOENIXZERO
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Yeah football will probably lead to that being adjusted down.
User 479360
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Should I watch Wolf Creek?
Why does CW almost always rate lower than the big networks? Is it because its not as well known? Its newer? The content isnt as popular? Why does Supergirl, who did somewhat decent on CBS, drop in ratings just because its on the CW?
I watch more shows on the CW than any other network.
I watch more shows on the CW than any other network.
I think its mainly due to CW being less accessible to most people. The big 4 networks are all easily accessible via OTA for people who don't have cable packages. CW while also available over OTA but seems less accessible. (for example I can get CW over OTA but its not a solid strong signal and degrades at times, especially at night when all the shows are on, compared to strong signals from Fox, ABC, NBC and CBS.)
Norwegian Rudo
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Depends what you're expecting. It's not so much a slasher with Mick doing his thing, it's more a revenge thriller with a teenage girl chasing him across the outback.
I thought it was solid to good, and Lucy Fry is great in it, but even at 6 episodes it feels a little drawn out. I'd absolutely recommend giving it a try, but I can also see why some people wouldn't like it much.
But technically The CW is available over the air to more people than ABC, NBC, CBS or Fox. (It's surprising but true.)
I think it's because it's usually on a higher up channel number so people kinda forget about it or ignore it. It might also be because The CW focuses very narrowly on advertising and catering to younger viewers, which means trading off catching the attention of older viewers.
Razgriz-Specter
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I say eventually do some universe fuckery and just merge National City back into Metropolis and possibly Arrow's Earth.
Rename it something like the Adventures of Superman and Supergirl
Keep Supergirl almost the same but keep Clark around full time, and to spice it up even more have Clark basically being Superdad.
(especially with Lex in prison just say Superman beat all his main enemies and thats why everyone including Supergirl pressures him to just chill.)
Darkseid and Doomsday can be "events"
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I see a couple problems with this theory:
Even at the most generous estimation, people who get their television exclusively through an antenna make up a little less than 20% of the country. And in larger markets, OTA viewing is significantly lower than cable penetration.
Like, New York, for example, the largest market in the country, only about 6% receive television OTA, while 85% get it through cable. Boston is worse, having one of the highest cable penetration rates and one of the lowest OTA reception rates at less than 4%. Some areas are better, of course, like Houston having nearly 20% OTA.
Reception issues are real, but are impossible to account for. You live in an area where the CW is spotty. I like in an area where I receive two different states' CWs and both signals are probably the most reliable signals I can pick-up.
Secondly, the CW is available in 95% of American homes. Even if everyone else was at 100%, which I doubt, the ratings wouldn't be accounted in a 5% difference of coverage.
My own take:
The CW faces some problems in terms of growing viewership. They are one of the newest networks and their demographics tend to skew on the younger side. So it's a one-two punch in that department: old people don't have a habit of watching your channel and the young people who may watch your channel are watching television in non-traditional ways that ratings can't account for.
Then let's talk about the trappings of a local network that the CW doesn't have: there is no national nightly news broadcast on the CW and no affiliate has a dedicated local news team. While we may not watch these programs, they are huge in terms of capturing an audience that may stick around before and after a news broadcast. A strong local news team also helps create a stronger local channel -- one that can afford better advertising to help remind people they have this other channel they can watch.
Lastly, out of all the major broadcasters, the CW broadcasts the least amount of programming. They are responsible for 2 hours a night, 5 nights a week. While this isn't the cause of all their problems (Fox only broadcasts a few hours more than this a week, but they usually have a strong local news team), it certainly doesn't help their situation. The CW only gets two shots a night to hook a viewer into watching their channel.
With current trends, I don't really see the CW overcoming these shortcomings. But, you know, that's fine. They are still able to put out interesting stuff (and it's practically the only broadcast channel I watch besides PBS and Fox for Bob's Burgers). I know we all get hyperbolic and praise the God-King Mark Pedowitz whenever he renews a show with a .3 in the ratings, but the channel isn't a charity and he is making decisions based on more than just the ratings they get as the show airs.
Never really thought about the importance of having a news team would make on the scripted shows. But it does make sense.
That said, as long as Mark Pedowitz is fine with the lower ratings compared to the other networks on renewing his shows, then I am ok with it.
And I wish the cut-off was .3, then Frequency would have survived.
PHOENIXZERO
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Seriously push for people to watch it on Netflix, I think the CW will be more willing to keep already established shows around if just to let them load up on content for Netflix. Though that would be much easier if Frequency and No Tomorrow's ratings were two or three times higher.
CBS is not ordering any more episodes of season 3 of 'The Odd Couple' after its initial 13 have aired. With ratings this low, I'm not surprised.
NBC, CBS, and FOX also extend their brands through numerous other television channels and properties. Not to mention, the highest rated TV these days is the NFL - and those three networks get to advertise their shows with all those eyeballs glued to the screen.
Dedication Through Light
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Perhaps its time to do a 2Broke Spinoff if they need another half hour bad comedy idea.
Haha, I just imagined CBS doing a crossover with the two shows. Hilarious in how awful it is. Matthew Perry just doesn't seem to be able to really have a show last too long. But he does keep getting work.
A few weekends ago I found out the two leads Odd Couple worked together on a movie. I like to see actors reunited in other projects.
3 seasons isn't terrible. Frankly, I'm almost surprised it lasted 3 seasons.
Thats true. It isn't terrible but I kind of assumed it would last longer than that. Felt like it had a better shot than previous projects. But that is just cause I feel like things have a better survival rate on CBS. Maybe on any other channel the show would have been canned already though.
Would a 2 Broke Girls spin off work without Kat Dennings' glorious
one liners
xrnzaaas
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I enjoyed it. The first episode seemed disappointing after the cool initial scene, but I quickly came to terms with the fact that the girl is the main character in this show.
AngmarsKing701
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I enjoyed seasons 1 and 2 quite a bit. I have the first 7 episodes of S3 on my DVR but just haven't fired them up.
I guess I'm part of the problem.
That crossover bump...
Oh looking forward to those Arrow #100 numbers.
tearsintherain
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The tribute to Garry Marshall a few weeks ago on Odd Couple (he was executive producer on the show) was nice, they had cast members from Laverne and Shirley and other shows of his show up in cameos.
Never really a great show but not the worst either, just your basic middling sitcom. Bunk from the Wire was on it and pretty good, as was Yvette Nicole Brown (Shirley) from Community. She lost quite a bit of weight and absolutely glowed on the show.
Its a lot better than the new show Joey is on, Man Without a Plan (or is he with a plan, I dunno).
I wonder if B99 is on the chopping block, be a shame but on the other hand if no one is watching I'd love to see Terry Crews in something new.
firehawk12
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Is that the first CBS sitcom to die since Mike and Molly?
*sniffs*
Just..., just make it quick, okay?
And not in the face!!!!
AOS is really just embarrassing ABC at this point. Given how AOS has ben circling the drain for the past two seasons and Agent Carter died on the vine I wonder what ABC's expectations for the Inhumans is at this point?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Thanks for the money, Imax?
That crossover bump...
Scream Queens needs a mercy kill soon.
CBS reruns did better than Agents of SHIELD return.
I like the consistent pattern to ABC ratings in the demo, haha
I believe so.
True. Isn't IMAX funding the pilot? This deal just highlights how much Marvel's film & TV division hate one another.
They sent Scream Queens off to die, taking 3 weeks off between new episodes.That crossover bump...
Scream Queens needs a mercy kill soon.
CBS reruns did better than Agents of SHIELD return.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, and the "pilot" or whatever is going to be in theaters first. People complain that DC is a mess with the TV and movie universes being different, but the Marvel stuff is even worse because they keep trying to pretend that the movies matter in the TV shows.
Pretty decent track record considering how many long running sitcoms they seem to have.
Razgriz-Specter
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Haven't watched AoS yet but Flash was great.
You absolutely don't need Supergirl, the 1 crossover scene from that was shown on Flash anyway.
And once again certain characters crossing over to Flash are kinda better written than normal(Diggle, Heatwave)
And on top of that everyone gets to "look" better than normal.
First, it wasn't like Fox had a choice in the matter. The World Series going to Game 7 + the Election are at fault, not Fox. And secondly, B99 and New Girl also had a three week break, yet their ratings, while not good, are still somewhat respectable given the average rating on Fox.
Face the facts, Scream Queens should've never been given a second season.
Razgriz-Specter
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After watching and loving it to a certain point in S2, I definitely agree with you.
Haven't watched AoS yet but Flash was great.
You absolutely don't need Supergirl, the 1 crossover scene from that was shown on Flash anyway.
And once again certain characters crossing over to Flash are kinda better written than normal(Diggle, Heatwave)
And on top of that everyone gets to "look" better than normal.
Thanks. I guess I will wait to see if I can skip the whole crossover or not, though. I wouldn't want to watch an incomplete single part of 4 total parts. If nothing affects Flash that will happen on the show I don't think I want to bother. Did anything important happen for Flash or its characters?
Yes, I'd say they mostly advanced the Wally storyline.
Though more Barry/Cisco drama
KeyBladerXIII
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Jesus SHIELD...okay Marvel, time to evacuate Ghost Rider, Quake, and Coulson and find them a new home.
Razgriz-Specter
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Thank you both. I guess I will probably just stick with the previously on next week since the crossover holds no appeal for me. The show has been teetering on and off for me in terms of dropping it for a long time, though....
Good deal. Thanks Dan. I will plan to watch today or tomorrow.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Man, CW crushed Fox at 8 and nearly tied them at 9.
Big 5 is official.
Big 5 is official.
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure all the successful sitcoms are owned by other studios. It's all the CBS-owned sitcoms that keep failing.
Fixed
Kick Fox out
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
'Member when Fox tried to do a Bones/Sleepy Hollow crossover and nobody cared.
The DC Superhero Network must be pretty pleased with the boost.
The DC Superhero Network must be pretty pleased with the boost.
If anyone cared for the last two, they could have watched SHIELD.
Razgriz-Specter
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I really wish Fox would look at those CW ratings and try pushing the Gotham crew to do a future episode of Gotham.
And hype the hell out of actual costumed appearances for an episode or mini-arc.
Honestly I like Gotham more than most of the CW shows combined but the ratings need some boosts.
And hype the hell out of actual costumed appearances for an episode or mini-arc.
Honestly I like Gotham more than most of the CW shows combined but the ratings need some boosts.
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