Most Sympathetic Villain and/or One You Agreed With? (Spoilers Likely)

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Simple question, who are some of the most sympathetic villains in a game to you? Additionally, are there any villains whose end goals you actually agreed with and wished succeeded? For me the answer is simple:

The 43rd president, George Sears aka Solidus Snake.

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All the man wanted to do was liberate us from The Patriots, to restore things like civil liberties, freedom of speech, and free will itself. Despite this he's not exactly perfect. His less redeeming traits are his actions in the past, mainly his use of child soldiers during the Rhodesian Civil War and killing Jack's parents. But, considering his upbringing as a clone of Big Boss it isn't all too surprising that he had been desensitized to war pretty much since birth. All in all he had a noble goal and tried to minimize the loss of any innocent lives while accomplishing it. In the new post-truth world of Trump, Solidus is exactly the hero we all need to liberate us all.
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Good night, sweet prince.

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I sympathized with Solidus until recently when I realized the Patriots were right about the whole Internet thing. So Zero I guess.
 
If my understanding of his motives are correct, Im going for Ardyn. He got mega fucked over and stuck having to deal with how fucked over he was.
 
Hexa said:
I sympathized with Solidus until recently when I realized the Patriots were right about the whole Internet thing. So Zero I guess.
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The Patriots were right about the whole thing so they decided to influence the truth instead of letting it find its own way?
 
Caius Ballad the guy had to live through and endless time loop of watching the one person he cared for more than any other die over and over and over again in an endless loop of torment never able to escape
 
Came into this thread thinking Solidus Snake. Senator Armstrong as well if you ignore his talk about purging the weak and harvesting the brains of children.
 
Ardyn did nothing wrong considering how he was screwed over for literally doing his job.
 
Kreia from KOTOR 2.

I don't agree with everything she says. (Pretty much everything in Nar Shadaa is shakily written in general I feel.) But her view that The Force brings nothing but death and destruction through the Jedi and Sith's eternal war is a completely justified one that is backed up by the franchise. The Jedi and Sith are the source of practically every major conflict in the franchise. The Mandalorian Wars? Orchestrated by the True Sith. The fall of the Galactic Republic and the rise of the Empire? Brought on by the Sith and Jedi. And now their war continues unabated even with the death of Palpatine in Force Awakens. If the Sith and Jedi never existed there would still be war, but probably not at such a grand and continuing scale that it does with the Jedi and Sith around. Getting rid of The Force would be a net positive.

Kreia is the only video game villain where I was straight up like, "Why can't I just help you?"

Here's a good example of why she's rad. (Spoilers)
 
Suikoden 3 spoilers incoming...

Luc
was genuinely trying to save all of mankind from it's inevitable destruction. You beat him and doom the entire planet. Congratulations?
 
Gonna go with Pagan Min from Far Cry 4

Both 'hero' factions were equal dicks. His stance of letting Kyrat tear itself apart whilst he washed his hands from the conflict was the correct one.
 
Yes finally I totally agree Solidus Snake was one of the villains I was like, hey he's not so bad he's trying to give the people freedom and liberate others sure he's killing the president to get his point across but in reality Solidus is the one Villian that you question your own actions as the hero in the game.
 
Chancellor Osborne
from The Legend of Heroes
Sure,
he did Hamel; that was pretty horrible,
but I feel like he's doing it for the greater good

Even
Ouroboros Grandmaster
might be sympathetic, if it is who I think it is
 
I'm pretty sure the answer for most people is Joel from Last of Us. People still try to defend that he is not the villain of that story, which goes to show how successfully people were able to sympathize with his motivations. He goes against the wishes and ambitions of every other character in the entire game, serving his own wants and needs and protecting his own broken heart. Joel's tragedy made him selfish, and that reflects in his character's actions, and the player doesn't usually start to disconnect with Joel until the very end.

But that's sort of the point of the game.
 
Gilland from Xillia. He was a murdering scumbag but then the main characters started blaming him and his people for shit that happened thousands of years before he was born. Yes, the "heroes" of that game condemned an entire civilization to die because of what their dead ancestors did.
 
Griffith did nothing wrong!!!!

Ok jokes. Actual answer would be Revolver Ocelot for me. His plan from MGS 1 through to MGS 4 was pretty much to destroy the Patriots which he helped aid in building back with Zero. Though his methods were not the greatest he tried what he thought was right, even if he had to coax Solid Snake into defeating him in order to win.
 
After The Witcher 3 proved once and for all that all the Northern Kings are incorrigible dickheads: Emperor Emhyr var Emreis in The Witcher 2.

Of course, it took the developers a lot of whitewashing, retconning, and inexplicably turning some characters into total dicks to get the lore to that point, but still...
 
DrD said:
Came into this thread thinking Solidus Snake. Senator Armstrong as well if you ignore his talk about purging the weak and harvesting the brains of children.
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If you ignore all of the horrible, unsympathetic fascist stuff, he's totally sympathetic!
 
Zap Rowsdower said:
Also this too, he barely does anything evil and is shot down by The King on really flimsy excuses.

The three goddesses are assholes.
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I dont know kidnapping children and leaving them to be bird food in a fortress miles away from their homes seems kind of evil but maybe that is just me.
 
Magus

12,000 BC might be my favorite story / zone / part of of a video game ever. The reveal of who Magus is, how he got there, why he is the way he is was just so incredible and really blew my mind when I was 10. The idea that he was summoning Lavos not to use him but to kill him was also an incredible reveal. Chrono Trigger will always be my favorite game, mostly because of Magus and his plot threads. Gonna go listen to soundtrack now...
 
Zap Rowsdower said:
Also this too, he barely does anything evil and is shot down by The King on really flimsy excuses.

The three goddesses are assholes.
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Ganondorf was a crazy old man who felt entitled to violently take over a country that didn't belong to him because the wind in his country sucked, and has never been able to let go that he was rightfully beaten. I have never been able to understand why people genuinely sympathized with him. Ganondorf in TWW is an unusually intimate and multifaceted look at a character who is normally just "evil incarnate and that's it," but he's not in any way actually sympathetic.
 
Zap Rowsdower said:
Kreia from KOTOR 2.

I don't agree with everything she says. (Pretty much everything in Nar Shadaa is shakily written in general I feel.) But her view that The Force brings nothing but death and destruction through the Jedi and Sith's eternal war is a completely justified one that is backed up by the franchise. The Jedi and Sith are the source of practically every major conflict in the franchise. The Mandalorian Wars? Orchestrated by the True Sith. The fall of the Galactic Republic and the rise of the Empire? Brought on by the Sith and Jedi. And now their war continues unabated even with the death of Palpatine in Force Awakens. If the Sith and Jedi never existed there would still be war, but probably not at such a grand and continuing scale that it does with the Jedi and Sith around. Getting rid of The Force would be a net positive.

Kreia is the only video game villain where I was straight up like, "Why can't I just help you?"

Here's a good example of why she's rad. (Spoilers)
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Kreia is a good one specifically because similar to Solidus she is trying to liberate us from a form of control and regain free will. It's not even the endless war between the Sith and the Jedi she is so opposed to, it's the very idea that The Force can influence a person's actions, that a person is devoid of free will as long as The Force exists.

Crossing Eden said:
Ardyn
did nothing wrong considering how he was screwed over for literally doing his job.
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Eh, I sympathize with them man but he basically turned the world to shit out of spite. He did plenty wrong, he just felt he was justified because he was wronged himself. So to me he's still a dick, a sympathetic dick, but a dick nonetheless.
 
Dragon Age spoilers:
Solas. Dude just wants to free his people and return them to a world where they're immortal. Sucks all the other species need to die to achieve that. Frankly he broke the world the first time, now he's trying to repair his damage. He also does feel bad about the grand scale of death he has and will wrought.
 
I'd say Wiegraf from Final Fantasy Tactics. His progression throughout the story makes him possibly my favorite villain in any video game.
 
Him
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Ok, he was a dictator, but he wanted only protect his people for the ones who stole their planet (Vekta) and banished Helgast on a unliveable planet only for political and economic reasons.
And in Shadow Fall they were told they can live segregate in a part of the planet that was their home from the beginning.

ISA is the true evil.
I want a game where i can control an Helgast soldier next time.
 
VDenter said:
I dont know kidnapping children and leaving them to be bird food in a fortress miles away from their homes seems kind of evil but maybe that is just me.
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I admit its been a while so I forgot if Ganon was willing to kill them or not. Yeah, maybe I was being a bit hyperbolic there, but the game still pretty much portrays him as straight up evil instead of an anti-villain willing to do bad things for a noble goal.
 
Tendo said:
Magus

12,000 BC might be my favorite story / zone / part of of a video game ever. The reveal of who Magus is, how he got there, why he is the way he is was just so incredible and really blew my mind when I was 10. The idea that he was summoning Lavos not to use him but to kill him was also an incredible reveal. Chrono Trigger will always be my favorite game, mostly because of Magus and his plot threads. Gonna go listen to soundtrack now...
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I also always love the part when you go back
to the little clearing where all the survivors have gathered after the fall of the city in the future and if you chose to spare him and let him join your party, Janus, the cat he had when he was little, follows him around like when he was a boy. HEART WARMED!! *explodes in ball of cuteness*
Such a small touch but one of my favorite moments. ^^'
 
Magus from CT is a good one. The game explained exactly why he is the way he is, as mentioned already.

Bloodborne's
Gehrman is sympathetic too. He's just a prisoner of the system himself. Fighting him as one of the last bosses is more him trying to mercy kill you rather than him actually wanting to fight you.
Actually, it's kind of hard to figure out who the villain of the game actually is. Maybe
the Moon Presence?

MGR's Sam is a likeable villain. It's clear he's not a psycho like the other villains in the game, and he clearly doesn't really buy into the ideals of his side. You fight him more as a matter of principle than anything else.
 
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