ShadowSwordmaster
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Agreed.
Most Sympathetic Villain and/or One You Agreed With? (Spoilers Likely)
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Agreed.
theSlacker
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Gaius did nothing wrong.
There was nothing sympathetic about what Saren was doing. He was conspiring with an ancient race of monsters to enable them an easier conquest and eventual annihilation of every sentient species in the galaxy. At best, he thought he was sentencing everyone to an eternity of servitude, posturing himself as the ideal puppet figure to make the transition happen. Can't even blame all that shit on indoctrination either, as he was allowed some agency to facilitate his movement about the galaxy, which included setting up a secret base to create an army of mindless Krogan to squash any resistance.
He was so wrong in fact that I was able to convince him to kill himself to let me stop the threat instead. Maybe only at that point I would consider a glimpse of sympathy for him, but just barely.
In hindsight, I should've let him win tho. Seemed like the better outcome all things considered, lol.
Matt Attack
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The culprit of the final case of Ace Attorney 3,
. Their backstory and the circumstances that led to the crime add a lot of emotional weight when you confront them in court.
Prosecutor Godot
BossDarkseid
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You believed the Patriots were right to censor and control the flow of digital information so they could control information in a post-truth society?
Brando? There's a lot of Dios.
There isn't really a villain; unless, that is, entropy itself can be seen as a villain...
popcrnshower
Banned
Paul Serene from Quantum break. The game has a unique way of presenting his point of view.
Making choices AS Serene is cool too as it actually puts you in the antagonist's shoes
Gurgelhals
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Isair and Madae from Icewind Dale II
Two half-elven, half-demon siblings who were rejected by both humanoid and demon societies and ultimately just wanted a place where they could live in peace. Then the majors of the Ten Towns decided to be total dicks about this. Cue open warfare and player's party of "heroes" saving the day by slaughtering the two...
Two half-elven, half-demon siblings who were rejected by both humanoid and demon societies and ultimately just wanted a place where they could live in peace. Then the majors of the Ten Towns decided to be total dicks about this. Cue open warfare and player's party of "heroes" saving the day by slaughtering the two...
This is a good pick. Though literally everything could have been avoided if
he put his pride and grudge against Nick aside.
?
He did nothing wrong!
theSlacker
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Honestly he didn't experience as much or any more loss then a lot of other characters in the game (some of whom's loss and experiences were caused directly by him), he was just one of the few characters that had the power to do something about it.
I would agree with this if I it didn't feel like his role in the story was being continuously adjusted on the fly with each game by Kojima (the twist of the Metal Gear series is that Kojima was always a hack writer)...
afternoon delight
Member
That charismatic motherfucker Kane from the first Command and Conquer only-
I'm thinking it was the soul patch and delivery.
I'm thinking it was the soul patch and delivery.
Back-In-Black
Banned
Nah, Saren was sympathetic you're not seeing it from his view. Saren discovered the Reapers on his own and came to realize the extent of their power and the countless cycle of the galaxy. He understood that EVERY civilization for millions upon millions of years had fought the Reapers and EVERY one of them had failed and were annihilated. Now, based on his limited understanding of them he believed that the best course of action if any of the Milky Way species were to survive was for them to surrender. They may be pressed into a life of servitude but slavery is preferable to extinction.
What he didn't know is that the Reapers have no use for slaves and we would all be assimilated whether we surrendered or not.
The Faceless Master
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Marlene
I actually really agree with this.
CountAntonius
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She's not really a villain. NM.
The Silver
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#Delitawasright
Back-In-Black
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I think what he is saying that that the Patriot AI was trying to prevent a post-truth society, their whole end speech was revealing how the uncontrolled flow of digital information was leading to such a post-truth society. Accordingly, for the species to survive and continue to grow an AI like the Patriots are needed to filter out all the "garbage" and present "truths" that are appropriate.
As they said:
Patriot A.I. said:
M0nochromatic
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Yellow 13, the enemy ace from Ace Combat 4, is just a man who does his job and looks after his wingmen. He is on the side of the invading forces, but it's somewhat understandable why this is happening. A major meteor shower devastated the planet, and when you get to that invading nation's capital, most of it is submerged underwater.
I'm not sure I'd call the enemy ace from AC:Zero "sympathetic" considering he's a radicalized genocidal maniac for a hot moment, but his character arc through the story is still interesting and understandable, to an extent. Also he's got memorable lines and was voiced by Yuri Lowenthal in the English dub.
Recently, I played through the job quest for the Dark Knight in FFXIV, and the villain in the 30-50 chunk is incredibly sympathetic, and is what makes that questline's narrative one of the best in the game. I would really like to see more of them in the 60-70 job quests from the upcoming expansion.
I'm not sure I'd call the enemy ace from AC:Zero "sympathetic" considering he's a radicalized genocidal maniac for a hot moment, but his character arc through the story is still interesting and understandable, to an extent. Also he's got memorable lines and was voiced by Yuri Lowenthal in the English dub.
Recently, I played through the job quest for the Dark Knight in FFXIV, and the villain in the 30-50 chunk is incredibly sympathetic, and is what makes that questline's narrative one of the best in the game. I would really like to see more of them in the 60-70 job quests from the upcoming expansion.
Nah, I'm pretty sure Shepard saw it exactly from his point of view, he just understood that resistance, even against impossible odds, is better than eternal slavery. I think at that point, whether he knew that assimilation was inevitable or not is irrelevant. That's pretty much the difference between him and Shepard, the choice they made on the face of annihilation. Saren also used it as an opportunity to gain favor with the conquerors, which makes him even less sympathetic in my eyes.
Ok, now that I've beaten FFXV and had time to go through all of the story I missed, yeah,
got fucking robbed.
Of course, he's still a dickbag, but I can see how he got there at least.
Ardyn
Seriously, he absorbed daemons so that they wouldn't hurt people, and not only did the Astral whatevers tell him to fuck off, but they choose the other Lucian king who also demonized Ardyn as the rightful hero. XV's gods sound like stupid assholes.
Of course, he's still a dickbag, but I can see how he got there at least.
Owl Kuro from Ori and the Blind Forest.
The forest called for its children, killing the owl's in the process. Blinded by rage, the owl seeks to kill the forest's child, Ori, in return. She succeeds at doing so, but realizes that her attempts to kill him left her nest and last remaining chick unprotected, and so she sacrifices herself to save her child in the nick of time. Ori's foster mother, who understood the owl's plight, adopts the chick and they form a new family.
Rexatality
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Delilah Copperspoon
Zennistrad
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For my pick, I'd go with N from Pokemon Black/White. A lot of what he aims to accomplish is somewhat understandable, if contrary to the game's central ethos, and despite being the leader of the villain team he's a very nice guy. And when you finally learn his backstory, you can't help but feel for him.
His Majesty
Banned
Letho in The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings
Took on a contract from Nilfgaard to sow regicidal discord in the Northern Kingdoms in exchange for help with rebuilding the Viper school. Dude played and got played. His final conversation with Geralt is amazing.
Head of Vengarl
Banned
Egil from Xenoblade Chronicles.
He was just trying to prevent that evil motherfucker Zanza from killing everyone.
That's a good one.
Still killed him tho ;P Although I used the save where everyone lived for my TW3 run just to see more content
BluePigGanon
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I wouldn't say I found Zeus sympathetic, but I definitely found Kratos unsympathetic.
Back-In-Black
Banned
That's cause he's the villain.
Mister Megative
Banned
Krelian
Magus
Ardyn
Dolf Crowley
Rubicante
Magus
Ardyn
Dolf Crowley
Rubicante
Zap Rowsdower
Banned
Yeah, at this point I wouldn't call the Patriots in 2 all that evil anymore.
petran79
Banned
That charismatic motherfucker Kane from the first Command and Conquer only-
I'm thinking it was the soul patch and delivery.
He wasnt even a professional actor!
Septimus Prime
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Zeus enlists Kratos because Ares was fuckin' up and causing too much devastation, and he even rewards Kratos by giving him Ares' old post. And then Kratos fucks up the exact same way, but this time Zeus (and all the other gods) fails to stop him.
So yeah. Zeus' mistake was to call upon Kratos in the first place.
afternoon delight
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Damn I'm learning all sorts of shit on GAF today, thank you!
Jeiiya
Member
I kind of agree and to be fair, he was around for a LONG time before becoming so embittered that he enacted his horrifying plan. Now, I wonder though if Square-Enix with their whole 'adding extra cutscenes' update will make him more sympathetic or not.
Perfect Blue
Banned
What?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Shadowlord and Magus.
They were right.
They were right.
Orochinagis
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Del Rio from Halo 4, he wanted to keep the infinity and his crew safe.
Gehrman
Gehrman
wasnt a villain, he was literally chained to the dream to help the hunters on their hunts then destroy the contrat with them to have ordinary lives, the moon presence itself was a battery to keep the dream working.
The villain in Bloodborne was the church itselft and their idea to elevate humankind to a different realm , they knew they wont make it but still tried to gather as much knowledge as they could to make it happen taking the whole yharman in the process
KeyBladerXIII
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The Templars as they were portrayed in Assassin's Creed: Rogue. When you take the time to listen to them, you realize that the group of Assassins you were dealing with were absolute assholes.
The modern day Templars are still fucking assclowns though.
The modern day Templars are still fucking assclowns though.
casey_contra
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Came here to say this.
Father from Fallout 4. (spoilers--if anyone even cares anymore)
Snatched from his parents as a baby and raised by a cabal of scientists hellbent on saving the world at any cost. He probably lived his entire life wondering if his parents loved him.
After he's diagnosed with cancer, he has a moment of weakness and lets his cryogenically frozen parent free. He can't die without knowing his parent loves him. But his parent despises the man that he grew up to be, and they murder their own son and destroy his life work.
After he's diagnosed with cancer, he has a moment of weakness and lets his cryogenically frozen parent free. He can't die without knowing his parent loves him. But his parent despises the man that he grew up to be, and they murder their own son and destroy his life work.
Was thinking about this the other day. One of the best things about New Vegas is that all of the factions truly believe what they're doing is morally right and they can rebuild society and not repeat the mistakes of the past.
Caesar's methods work, but are inhumane and won't create a long lasting civilization. As we see that the Legion collapses if he dies.
The NCR is successful now, but the hold that caravan companies have on them and their massive expansion make it difficult for them to properly serve their people.
House can rule Vegas alone, but everyone with power is conspiring against him and he routinely neglects everyone outside of the Vegas strip.
Fallout 3 & 4 are not like this. In 3 you are either good or evil. In 4 the only "good" faction is the Minutemen, and they aren't equipped to protect the people and rebuild society like the Brotherhood or the Institute.
Devilgunman
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Goomba.
"I just chilling here why ya gotta kill me?"
"I just chilling here why ya gotta kill me?"