Phil Spencer: "I know we have to take risks [after Scalebound cancellation],"
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hydrophilic attack
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i've been missing a good old phil tweet thread
here is another interesting one
interesting for what it doesn't say as much as for what it's saying
here is another interesting one
interesting for what it doesn't say as much as for what it's saying
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Oh trust me they will do it very subtly.. watch Hideki Kamiya put something in his next game symbolic ,about him whoopin on Microsoft or something. Watch 😐
Pretty much. Many will overlook this though.
The industry is not that big and people talk.
I don't think Microsoft is working on that
Glass Rebel
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fuck your risk breh
FinaruDensetsu
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I know you're joking but Halo and Gears are kinda a big risk right now. With both series in serious decline, the performance of the next entries in each series is kinda up in the air. They both have bloated, expensive teams working on them, so if sales continue to decline, but dev costs stay the same or even increase that's not a good thing.
That will take years though.
Father_Brain
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That's something, at least. Barring Kickstarters or the like, games 2+ years from release should not be getting official announcements.
You might want to take a seat.
Yes.
giancarlo123x
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As they should. I still believe crackdown will be canceled or be something completely different from that tech demo they've shown.
Yep. They're going to try sell us the Scorpio soon but anything announced can't be taken at face value (unless it's halo, gears or forza) until it's actually out there.
LiquidSolid
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Please look forward to Halo 6 and Forza 7.
Chaos2Frozen
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A bad game may eventually be good but a cancelled game is forever cancelled.
Microsoft plays it safe with Halo, Gears of War, and Crackdown. When their software library are looking dry, they fallback on one of those series to offer something substantial. It's why I no longer have any interest in owning a Microsoft console. I bought a 360, and apart from some of the great JRPGs that were on it: Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, and Tales of Vesperia, nothing else particularly appealed to me from their first party games. I like that Sony has traditionally had strong third party support, and a pretty good first party game selection, but Microsoft has always seemed to struggle with first party games.
Crayon
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Oh when they tried to make the face voice and heartbeat tracking spy camera mandatory. That was worth the risk.
Don't worry. I'm sure such risky new announcments as Halo 6 and Forza 7 will be fine.
Edit: On a more serious note, I'm interested to see what new games they will announce at e3. And if Spencer is telling the truth about taking more risks, I hope we get to see something new from their first-party studios.
Ghazgulsmash
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not risky enough for Phil Spencer, plus fans might want to play it so Phil S will surely cancel it
MadJackChurchill
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We have to take risks...by cancelling Crackdown too.
digita1alchemy
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They're dead to me at this point. They'd have to pull some Sony + Shenmue 3 level shit to get me back on board.
Hidden One
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He's basically Captain Ginyu.
If they do that they will have nothing for E3.
FunkyPajamas
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Letting Bungie go and giving Halo to 343i turned out to be pretty risky, that's for sure.
I hope by more risk he means opening more studios. Honestly even though I like in theory the idea of hiring independent studios and having games made for their platform because at the end of day we get a game and a studio remains independent which I think is important for the health of the industry. For Xbox image and market share sake more first party is necessary.
They've built studios, aquired some but it goes nowhere. I totally get you can't create a top tier studio out of thin air, look at 343 to this day, still not firing on all cylinders and they are the crown jewel.
It kinda goes back to reap what you sow, not investing during the 360 era, closing veteran studios that puts Microsoft were they are now and they may have tried to rectify that over the years but you don't realise what you've lost until it's gone. Microsoft are pretty screwed if they don't turn it around. E3 could be Nintendo barren beside 3rd party usual suspects.
It kinda goes back to reap what you sow, not investing during the 360 era, closing veteran studios that puts Microsoft were they are now and they may have tried to rectify that over the years but you don't realise what you've lost until it's gone. Microsoft are pretty screwed if they don't turn it around. E3 could be Nintendo barren beside 3rd party usual suspects.
Gotta start somewhere but then again I'm not sure MS as a company will be willing to(Xbox division probably is).
Pretty much. I thinl Shangheist could have been big for them with a great team now damned to push out gears every few years.
giancarlo123x
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-Hideo Kojima 1992
Goose_Se7en
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i've been missing a good old phil tweet thread
here is another interesting one
interesting for what it doesn't say as much as for what it's saying
This is a huge tell. I wonder how the higher-ups at MS feel about the Xbox platform and what they're trying to do. Listening to various podcasts through out the years, it is no surprise that folks at MS didn't get along with the Xbox team. Seamus Blackley himself said in Podcast Unlocked that some MS employees who owned stock in the company would literally say stuff like "thanks for tanking my stock" and stuff like that.
I doubt that culture and line of thinking has fully gone away. Perhaps Spencer is a lame duck.
Atom Heart Mother
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If their E3 is more Halo/Forza (not expecting Gears since 4 was just released), I'll label extremely too safe. They really need to push out more risks and not games that are safe. Not every game Sony publishes will crack 4 million sales, they just put them out to expand their portfolio. Microsoft barely does this, they did it in 6th gen though.
Again, they don't have much of a choice. Either that, keep on contracting third parties or split their existing first-party studios to work on other projects.
Or choose none of that and continue to not do well financially, which might very well be the case.
Papacheeks
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No you wouldn't they could literally get sued if they spoke out.
Reassuring to hear, seems like MS have been making investments into 1st party, i feel like Phil is now pressured to reveal what that means soon, almost certainly near or by e3
Gears was well received and 343i have created one of the best multiplayer FPS this gen, they will continue to grow and signs are positive so no, they're progressing forwards and have a strong foundation for that to happen. And just because Lionhead was a verteran studio doesnt mean they were still producing quality, they we'rent and honestly the writing was on the wall when Molenuex and other top staff left.
Gears was well received and 343i have created one of the best multiplayer FPS this gen, they will continue to grow and signs are positive so no, they're progressing forwards and have a strong foundation for that to happen. And just because Lionhead was a verteran studio doesnt mean they were still producing quality, they we'rent and honestly the writing was on the wall when Molenuex and other top staff left.
That's not risk that is fucken suicide. For starters they would need to create new studios to handle their bread and butter IPs. Make sure that they are up to snuff so their talented studios can try their hand at something new. Let's put it this way, if you have 343 and Coalition work on something new then it better hit because if it fails you are out of job.
Neuromancer
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As a publisher, MS is about risk-averse as you can possibly be.
It's too late. Games take time to develop, and they have nothing in their sleeves for the next 18 months. It's going to be another long year where Sony has big releases every other month and the Xbox is graced by more sprig name sequels for just three months of the year.
Microsofts decades long failure to invest and grow games developers is one of their biggest strikes against them. Even when they were riding high on the 360 and Kinect they still utterly failed to build anything for the future. Sony might produce some shit games, but at least they keep trying and taking risks.
(At this point, anything Phil says just needs to be ignored. He's a nice sounding guy who mouths platitudes but ultimately is a completely empty suit. How many times do we have to hear him say this crap before we realise it's just lies? He's becoming Molneux-Esc at this point).
Microsofts decades long failure to invest and grow games developers is one of their biggest strikes against them. Even when they were riding high on the 360 and Kinect they still utterly failed to build anything for the future. Sony might produce some shit games, but at least they keep trying and taking risks.
(At this point, anything Phil says just needs to be ignored. He's a nice sounding guy who mouths platitudes but ultimately is a completely empty suit. How many times do we have to hear him say this crap before we realise it's just lies? He's becoming Molneux-Esc at this point).
TimeEffect
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MS should have started this last gen. hope they pull it off
Film industry is small too. You hear horror tales about some people but you met them and they're totally fine and work well with you. You also hear great things about some people and you can't stand them and your chemistry is terrible.
At the end, people have to realize that people make up these industries. There are people/teams who don't work well together and others that do. Not everyone at MS/Sony is a bad egg, just like not everyone at Nintendo is out of touch.
The hyperbolic statements are really out of touch though. You can quote Jonathan Blow or some dev that had a problem with Sony/Nintendo/Activision/w.e. all you want, but it doesn't change that every company has some good and bad.