The teen drama audience fled to Freeform or Netflix or Snapchat or wherever.
It's the DC(W) now. Should've marketed Riverdale as a comic show rather than go after the Ostroff's audience that never came back.
2016-17 TV Cancellations Thread: TNT finds "Nothing can come of nothing."
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The teen drama audience fled to Freeform or Netflix or Snapchat or wherever.
It's the DC(W) now. Should've marketed Riverdale as a comic show rather than go after the Ostroff's audience that never came back.
I'm very surprised at those low numbers.
Don't most network shows usually drop after the premiere and find their legs at a lower number? iZombie for example started with a 0.8. Because of that I would expect it to have a lower number once it finds its weekly ongoing audience, unless it becomes a breakout show that grows its numbers but I think that tends to be more the exception (though I would be glad to be corrected if wrong).
With that said, I agree with you and CW of all the main networks makes their decision least of all based on numbers. I expect Riverdale to stick around for a while.
Don't most network shows usually drop after the premiere and find their legs at a lower number? iZombie for example started with a 0.8. Because of that I would expect it to have a lower number once it finds its weekly ongoing audience, unless it becomes a breakout show that grows its numbers but I think that tends to be more the exception (though I would be glad to be corrected if wrong).
With that said, I agree with you and CW of all the main networks makes their decision least of all based on numbers. I expect Riverdale to stick around for a while.
Yes, these things tend to trend downward. That said with those ratings, it could hold, mostly because there's not a giant audience to lose. I'd say it has more staying power and room for growth than Frequency and No Tomorrow, but I also thought it'd do twice as well so my predictions are off. It's not impossible, but it's rare. We live in the world where Netflix made Breaking Bad.
As long as it can hover in the 0.4 to 0.6 range it's fine.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Even Freeform is struggling - Pretty Little Liars ain't what it used to be.
But I think teens/millennials are so used to the Netflix model of having all the episodes available to binge that they don't see the value in tuning in to watch an episode a week with commercials.
PHOENIXZERO
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lol I guess I should've been more pessimistic.
Interesting, I never knew Netflix was integral to BB's success. Thanks for the info! I wasn't very looped in to TV ratings when it was airing so that's interesting to hear. It would be fascinating if despite our expectations otherwise Frequency or Not Tomorrow became a massive Netflix success. Especially since IMO neither has made a good case for a need for more episodes - I was pretty disappointed with both all in all. Anyway, like you I did think Riverdale was going to do twice as well, and I think it's the exact kind of CW show that can grow with buzz, it's more accessible and less niche than NT or Frequency for sure. So, here's hoping that if it's great (haven't seen the premiere yet) it can stick around for a while. I'm definitely more optimistic than I'd be if it were on any other network. Archie is internationally known also so I could see that working in its favor abroad.
All the other comic shows came in with numbers over twice as high, from the same creative team no less.
Of course this wasn't marketed as a comic show and has no superheroes.
Does CW have any more comic shows currently in development?
The first few seasons had meh ratings, but from binging and word of mouth it started to grow and viewership had snowballed by the final season. Of course it's an extreme outlier and there's a lot more content to watch on Netflix now so I doubt that kind of extreme tripling of an audience will happen again.
From Wiki:
Constantine!
On CW Seed.
TVLine hasn't listed any pilots and I don't think they're interested in a fifth Arrowverse show.
Zippedpinhead
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I really enjoyed riverdale, and have told many people who share my tv likes to watch it.
Thursday at 9pm/8pm is incredibly competitive. My wife already records 3 different things (scandal, Nashville, project runway) at that time, on demands a fourth (mom) and then riverdale comes in at the same time. It's frustrating, because it seems like we only watch 1 thing a night except for one or two hours a week where everything comes on at the same time (tuesdays at 8, Thursday's at 8)
Thursday at 9pm/8pm is incredibly competitive. My wife already records 3 different things (scandal, Nashville, project runway) at that time, on demands a fourth (mom) and then riverdale comes in at the same time. It's frustrating, because it seems like we only watch 1 thing a night except for one or two hours a week where everything comes on at the same time (tuesdays at 8, Thursday's at 8)
Very interesting! Thanks for the info on both fronts and for finding those quotes. Personally I'm hoping for a break in the saturation of superhero shows. I've enjoyed some of them but I prefer the CW's other output so I selfishly want more of that. With that said, I know people really dig all of the CW capes shows and I wouldn't want them to lose out so I'm pretty happy with this shifting CW schedule of shows we get.
dead souls
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Riverdale washed up dead.
Internet buzz is worthless, an incompatible lead in, and the only thing that gets decent ratings on the network is superhero shows. I enjoyed the pilot, but I'm not surprised that it bombed.
Shame that Riverdale premiered low, I really liked it. Hopefully it does well enough on DVR/streaming in order to earn a second season at least.
Seems like The CW is going to eventually be almost entirely comic book series. Reign and TVD are ending this season, The Originals probably doesn't have much life in it, Frequency and No Tomorrow have been duds, Crazy-Ex and Jane are surviving mostly on critical acclaim and the fact that they're contractually obligated to have some CBS series on the network. That basically leaves just The 100 and Supernatural.
Seems like The CW is going to eventually be almost entirely comic book series. Reign and TVD are ending this season, The Originals probably doesn't have much life in it, Frequency and No Tomorrow have been duds, Crazy-Ex and Jane are surviving mostly on critical acclaim and the fact that they're contractually obligated to have some CBS series on the network. That basically leaves just The 100 and Supernatural.
Razgriz-Specter
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Damn it, I enjoyed it a lot.
RatskyWatsky
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lol
AngmarsKing701
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ftfy
Ever since I started watching tv shows I've never dropped a show, but I am so close to just calling it quits on both Supergirl and Arrow. It's not only that I find no enjoyment in them anymore, I honestly think they are on the brink of being bad. Or maybe it's just fatigue settling in.
My well-meaning two cents: if you don't find any enjoyment in them, drop them. Life's too short, and downtime is too precious, to purposely do things you don't want to do when you have a choice not to.
dead souls
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Do what you want, but Arrow's just about the best it's ever been. The only one of the Arrowverse shows I wish I could quit was Legends of Tomorrow. It's so bad.
firehawk12
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Better than Frequency at least? lol
The thing with Riverdale is that it feels like baby's first Scandanavian crime drama. Even the way it's shot feels almost like a parody of that "dark muted town". The only thing that's missing is the constant rain that The Killing kept using to make their show feel "moody".
The thing with Riverdale is that it feels like baby's first Scandanavian crime drama. Even the way it's shot feels almost like a parody of that "dark muted town". The only thing that's missing is the constant rain that The Killing kept using to make their show feel "moody".
Nah, they're bad shows.
I don't mean it in the same way something like Emerald City is bad where the writing is bad, the acting is bad, etc. But I found the Arrowverse (srsly, that's what it's called?) highly repetitive in its themes, further constrained by being overly formulaic, and the silly comic book stuff just doesn't work for me (e.g. the fucking ninjas in Daredevil*). Now the last one is a personal pet peeve, but the other two would probably explain why it feels draining to watch the shows.
I would (and did) drop them.
Well, to be clear I dropped Arrow in season 2 and The Flash in season 1 because the patterns were obvious then to me. And I mean The Flash has:
If that isn't enough to keep me watching I don't see why someone who may not find him stupidly attractive would watch that show.
*I know Daredevil isn't a DC show, nor does it air on the CW. But I really fucking hate those ninjas.
firehawk12
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Supergirl's one interesting thing is the lesbian relationship. Otherwise it's a very average show that doesn't really challenge you to think about it deeply in any manner.
The DC Doctor Who show is the same way, but it at least had a glimmer of being provoking when they did the slavery episode. Then it just went back to bumping into George Lucas and I realized the show is just there to please nerds who like when characters mention nerd things that they know about. lol
The DC Doctor Who show is the same way, but it at least had a glimmer of being provoking when they did the slavery episode. Then it just went back to bumping into George Lucas and I realized the show is just there to please nerds who like when characters mention nerd things that they know about. lol
Yeah, we're getting it on Netflix in Canada, too. Really happy about that.
That's a fair point.
Oh god, I just remembered that the US were subjected to the horrors of Welcome to Sweden (though to be fair you gave us Greg Poehler first so we're even) and that was at least partially subtitled. I think that is the only foreign language show I can think of that has aired on a traditional broadcast network. What was the reason given for its cancellation again?
"craptastically low ratings in the US"
Oh.
Then again it was an awful show.
Ok. So I check twitter (no, not to stalk Xavier Dolan) and Skam is trending worldwide. (WE MISS SKAM)
For no reason.
The first post I see is in Portuguese. From someone in Brazil. I'm pretty sure the show doesn't air there.
fake edit: it's number 69 on IMDb's top 250 TV list.
The fuck is going on with this show.
I do not see the US cultivating the same type of fanbase/enthusiasm.
Netflix has worldwide rights.
Which helps its survival chances.
RatskyWatsky
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Zippedpinhead
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This makes a lot of sense. In the era of binge watching online, most people I know don't want to tune in for syndicated (unless it's some sort of all day/weekend marathon).
Making it up with movies makes a lot of sense, Disc media market isn't as healthy so movie studios keep looking for continued revenue, more movies to cable networks seems like a win-win.
Doesn't help broadcast though, that's still tough
RatskyWatsky
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I don't watch Supergirl, but I'm on the verge of dropping Arrow, Flash, and Legends of Tomorrow at the end of their respective seasons. Even when they're "good", they're still not good.
Which is to say: exceedingly mediocre.
Still, Welcome to Sweden got better ratings in the US than it did in Sweden!
Skam!
There must be fan subs or something if people in Brazil and shit are watching it.
They have Penn and Teller Fool Us in the summer which is pretty great.
But yeah CW is doing so many comic based shows now and I love it.
yankeehater
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Clearly Edison is the biggest douchebag in that group, I hope he won.
I have no idea why, but at first I thought I saw The Ringer in your post when it said Reign and TVD. That was quite the show.
Is The 100 going into its final season or was that just a rumor?
ABOVEtheRIM
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the only show I actually watched off that list was limitless. thought it was pretty good, would have continued to watch it had it not gotten cancelled
OdysseusVA
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Was Riverdale actually good?
It's no O.C. (based on the first episode), but of all the teen soaps, it's pretty good. I liked it way more than I expected.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I think the overwhelming consensus from GAF is positive and it's got an 88% on Rotten Tomatoes.
We'll have to see where it goes, of course, as the first episode is very much setting up the pieces.
I'm the opposite. I am very disappointed with Arrow, and I hate this new team.
This is exactly how I felt. Super repetitive and formulaic. Although I am a huge fan of comic book tv shows and movies, these two just doesn't cut it for me anymore.
Yeah. I don't really feel like they are good shows. I am dropping Supergirl and Arrow, and I'll give Legends a chance the season throughout. I will stick to The Flash though, as he has always been a favorite superhero of mine. I'm thinking of catching up with Twin Peaks and maybe some Jane the Virgin instead. Game of Thrones too.
Legends of Tomorrow is probably the worst of the Arrowverse shows right now. It's pretty dumb most of the time but I always have a lot of fun watching it so I don't plan on dropping it.
you liked it?
I think it's fun and entertaining to watch unlike Arrow. In Legends you get the different time periods, and cool ass Sara and a funny Mick. And Atom who can shrink. Just all these different abilities. Captain Steel has been a great addition, although Vixen is a complete waste.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Flash and Supergirl are fighting it out at the bottom. Legends is, by default, the runner-up this year.
Yeah, it was a solid premiere that looked great and setup some interesting narrative threads to follow. Again, we'll have to see where it goes but there is a lot to like about the show.
Yeah, it was a solid premiere that looked great and setup some interesting narrative threads to follow. Again, we'll have to see where it goes but there is a lot to like about the show.
That second list looks way more awesome, I'd go with that one.
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