Colin Was Right: The Gaming Industry vs Donald Trump
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Ninja Scooter
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The entire country doesn't vote, not even close, so elections come down to which side can mobilize and impassion their people the best. Obama did a fantastic job of mobilizing young people on the left in 08 and 12. The Republicans, in turn, were able to impassion their side over the course of the next 8 years by using the simple fact that Obama was black to make everything he did seem "UnAmerican" and turn him into an outsider who was out to destroy the country and turn them into muslim communist zombies from kenya. Basically, the GOP is regularly able to mobilize their base using racism, which says a lot.
CrazyHorse
Junior Member
This guy calls himself a conservative?
well, i disagreed with fingerpointing towards the Druckmann tweet as well. This tweet just reinforces my belief that Colin (whom both devs certainly know personally - Druckmann more than Ismail, i think) is certainly meaning well, but is just being 'clumsy' with his suggestions of how to 'reach out', which some of us would consider showing a lack of empathy and to be a rather naive idea.
Something they seem to be able to overlook, in the grand scheme of things. I can totally accept that.
Once again, my real name is Colin; it's a coincidence.
I disagree with Colin on many things, like the PS4 Pro and TLG, but I guess because my name happens to be Colin, I can't have an unbiased opinion, right?
I just wish we'd stop pretending that nobody will ever change their minds and that everyone is 100% in one camp at all times. Aren't there stats suggesting a lot of people who voted for Obama in 08 and 12 now voted for Trump?
See, I don't know about Moriarty, but he's probably better than you at picking up when people are just making a lighthearted joke.
You defended Colin, your username was colin, 'omgomg conspiracy, it's you!'. Must've been one of the least ... 'tense' exchanges in this entire thread.
That may have been a joke.
There are shitloads of people- even progressives- who voted for Obama who nonetheless have ignorant or outright hostile views about black people as a whole (ignorant racism is still racism), in the same way that Madam CJ Walker becoming the first self-made black millionaire back in the 1800s didn't mean white people didn't have a problem with the rest of the recently-freed slaves, or even with Walker herself.
Individual exception and achievement on part of minorities is not an indication of the cultural norm that those minorities experience. This is an argument that is self-evident. If you do want some sort indication of cultural norms, look at polling and statistical analysis which, surprise surprise, show a majority of Trump voters tend to have extremely hostile racial views. Imagine that the guy scapegoating brown people as having stolen the American Dream from innocent, good-natured white folk would appeal to the section of our population that's more racist than the norm!
Regardless, "a majority" doesn't mean "all," which means for the Trump voters who pass the "are they called black people or negroes?" test, we're back to the argument of what the election meant from a moral or ethical context. If you vote for a racist in spite of their racist views, if you ignore Trump calling Mexican rapists because you think you're getting a tax cut, you cannot easily argue that you aren't aiding and abetting the spread of racism from that government's platform. At the absolute best, you don't care about the quality of life of minorities, which at the end of the day still has the same effect as voting to actively instill harm on minority communities. Apathy to evil aids evil. To run away from the implications of this is to not take responsibility for your vote. It is childish. It eschews individual responsibility. It is hypocritical. It needs to stop. All Trump voters who "didn't vote for the racist things" need to self-reflect hard. If they're not, they're no better than the actual racists.
Couple all of this with the absolute social, systemic, and diplomatic disaster that has only resulted from less than two weeks of his administration being in office, and the unrelenting shame is the least Trump voters deserve. I honestly hope that every time they buy something from a vending machine from now on, their shit gets stuck. I hope every piece of tape they pull from the roll bunches in on itself. I hope they always step on a Lego in the middle of the night. I hope they all get glitterbombed daily. I hope every time it rains they can't find their umbrella. I hope dogs continuously shit in their yard. I hope their favorite games only score an 8.8 from now on.
"I hope they miss everything cool in life and die angry."
See, I don't know about Moriarty, but he's probably better than you at picking up when people are just making a lighthearted joke.
You defended Colin, your username was colin, 'omgomg conspiracy, it's you!'. Must've been one of the least ... 'tense' exchanges in this entire thread.
It was funny when it happened for the first time like 5 months ago, lol.
Also work's been pretty stressful lately, so I'm fuckin' unhinged.
I don't really understand it either. If you've seen what Republicans have become and still identify yourself as a part of them, it'd be weird not to vote for Trump, not the other way around. Heck, I think that line of thought is supported by the poll statistics.
EdReedFan20
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I think you may be right, because of how much people in the industry (those who make games/those who cover games) have never shied away from giving Colin praise. When the various girlfriends of the KF guys did a special podcast together, Tim's girlfriend Gia, who is basically the anti-Colin politically, said that he is one of the kindest people she's ever met and said that, despite their political differences, he was so respectful and wanted to hear her beliefs (most of which challenged his own).
If anyone wants to see Colin at his rawest, check out his appearance on Jared Petty's Pockets Full of Soup. It was some very heartfelt stuff, you don't typically hear from him (Greg's was good, too).
He left the Republican party. Also, technically, being a Conservative does not automatically make one a Republican. There are such things as Liberal Republicans and Conservative Democrats, but they are not as common as Conservative Republicans and Liberal Democrats. I wonder what things would be like if Conservative Democrats and Liberal Republicans became their own parties.
I guess they haven't been following you for 5 months so they don't know if it's the first or the 100th time.
This is a salient point.
CrazyHorse
Junior Member
All his views seem liberal. It's odd.
Re was Obama just a dream:
Many young people voted for Obama under the impression that he would be a Sanders-like change in the political status-quo--especially when it comes to the use of force--only to become disillusioned with him and the party over time. Many Obama voters were independents who wouldn't normally vote for Democrats or Republicans, instead preferring third-party choices like Nader or just staying home. So comparisons between his electoral totals vs Hillary needs to be seen through that lens (as well as many other differences).
Many young people voted for Obama under the impression that he would be a Sanders-like change in the political status-quo--especially when it comes to the use of force--only to become disillusioned with him and the party over time. Many Obama voters were independents who wouldn't normally vote for Democrats or Republicans, instead preferring third-party choices like Nader or just staying home. So comparisons between his electoral totals vs Hillary needs to be seen through that lens (as well as many other differences).
Five months is an exaggeration. Note the "like" in my post.
It's felt like five months to me, because GAF's now my most visited site, at work and at home.
EdReedFan20
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Five months is an exaggeration, lol. I'm just inexperienced at dealing with this sort of stuff on GAF, so apologies in advance.
Messofanego
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Interesting that Colin seemed offended that even though he didn't vote for Trump, he felt attacked by the 2064 tweet ("If you voted for trump or support his facist regime please don't play our game.. Just go fuck off!"). Hmm.
"I'm still looking forward to playing 2064 Read Only Memories. Though I'm now having in the back of my mind that as a conservative, even though I didn't vote for Mr Trump, the creator of the game doesn't want people like me playing it at all."
Where was he targeted if he didn't vote for Trump?
"I'm still looking forward to playing 2064 Read Only Memories. Though I'm now having in the back of my mind that as a conservative, even though I didn't vote for Mr Trump, the creator of the game doesn't want people like me playing it at all."
Where was he targeted if he didn't vote for Trump?
Yeah. Again, i know that Colin is a smart guy. As i've posted before, smart guys - especially smart conservatives, but also smart leftists always argue how things should work - because they believe that a good idea / a good concept simply should work.
The free market, as a concept, should totally work, in principle.
Everyone being taxed as fairly and as low as possible, and tax dollars being spent efficiently, should totally work, in principle.
Everyone abiding the law, should totally work, in principle.
Even communism, should totally work, in principle.
If you are so in love with those textbook concepts ("Ayn Rand shaped my political beliefs") that they ignore the reality:
What makes all these seemingly flawless concepts not work, is simply ... people. People are fallible, people are selfish, people have herd mentality, people like being on top and are willing to put down others to lift themselves up.
Similarly:
Both sides in poltical discourse reaching out, being respectful, should totally work, in principle.
But in reality, there's people openly dehumanizing genders, sexual orientations, ethnicities and entire religions...
WrenchNinja
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So called moderates are always of a defensive mindset, its most likely stems from an internal struggle to come to terms with their own prejudices.
Its part of why All Lives Matter happened
Oh good, now I don't feel bad about calling him self-interested and out of touch
ScientificPizza
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Get fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked
innervision961
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Pretty surprised to see Neil Druckman praise this since it basically boils down to "give the racist mysogynists a chance" seeing as how much progress naughty dog has made in regards to women in the industry and given Trumps comments and actions towards women. I wonder if he watched it to the end...
boiled goose
good with gravy
To me, being a conservative doesn't make any logical sense.
It's basically all based on an appeal to tradition logical fallacy.
But things are working fine!!! Said the slave owners and every other privileged group in history ever.
Love them, but ND have anything but progressive with regards to POC.
#Whitefeminism
That's pretty much it right here, lol.
benicillin
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I mean that's not all that the video is about. The implication of the economic side of these policies I thought was explained pretty well. Everything after the ROM devs tweet and reply was total bunk and bullshit though.
gamerMan
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After building a following on IGN, these guys are getting $30,000/per month just on Patreon. Like most people pulling over 6 figures, his ideology is probably conservative. At the very least, he probably believes in tax cuts, which is a reason that many people voted for Trump despite not believing in his philosophies.
chromatic9
Member
I watched Trump say the "abortion law has been set and I think we have to leave it that way". and said prior to that in the same interview he'd like it be on each state if the law was to change. He might attempt to but its not looking likely.
Dreams-Visions
Member
This. I was enjoying the video until he got to this.
It's unfortunate, how out of touch with the policies, positions, statements and appointments of the Trump Administration he must be. If he was well informed, there'd be no way he could make this argument.
In many respects, it's like asking us to have discussion and find middle ground around the sky being blue when someone wants to tell us it's actually green. Not every opinion is worth entertaining, discussing or debating just because someone wants to hold it. My existence and validity as a minority is not up for discussion or debate. The rights of the LGBT community are not up for debate or discussion. The rights of women are not up for debate or discussion. Entering into debate or discussion around them validates the opposing position as a legitimate option worth considering. I'm sorry, but it's not. Some of Trump's positions are just fine for discussion and debate. We will debate those appropriately in the coming days. Many of them are not and will never be, however.
I will not accept the opinions or positions founded in ignorance and fear to hold a seat at my table. You shouldn't either.
That's a great way to self assassinate your position.
Dreams-Visions
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My (wo)man.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
I really don't know a whole lot about this Colon Moriarty guy, but from the little I've seen, he strikes me as a weird ideological hipster that likes to invoke tradition and conservativism to appear "wise". Hence the name of his show...
Yeah I don't like this dude, at all.
Right down to his pretentious tattoos.
Yeah I don't like this dude, at all.
Right down to his pretentious tattoos.
Quadraphonic
Member
The man will do anything in his power to raise his popularity in his base every time it begins to go south.
Fuck that tweet. That thing is the worst.
chromatic9
Member
The weird thing is the devs actually said to Colin they have no problem with conservatism or liberalism and this is about a con man working with white nationalists to steal our country. Colin say he's conservative and the devs don't want him playing their game.
Maybe Colin is just being honest with us or he's mistaken.
Dangansona
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Alright guys, lets keep it easy with the insults or non-GAF KF fans are going to tweet at him "that GAF thread huh?" and then he will be able to continue to dismiss the site.
The hate is mostly because of the last part of the video. It may have been coming from a good place, which is suspect because of past comments by him, but it comes across as really tone-deaf when you consider the fact that there are actual people suffering right now because of Trump's policies and they're being asked to reason with and reach out to the people who basically told them "fuck your rights, I want some tax cuts".
GameAddict411
Member
really hope that Trump implements the tariffs. Game consoles and games in general will sky rocket in prices. When it hits the white population, they will feel what minorities are feeling right now. It might be the only way to defeat Trump. The reality of the situation is that most people are selfish. As long as things don't affect them, they don't care. I am not even referring to the political or ideological tendencies. Even my "liberal" friends were complaining about traffic at airports or cities due to the protests. They simply don't give a shit apart from saying it's awful and the "tough luck" to the people affected. While it's true that a large minority apposes and demonstrate how much they disagree with the latest EO, I still think it's not enough to make things change for the better, at least quickly before permanent damage is done to the reputation and credibility of this country. It's both good and bad for the people of this country.
reelbigtink
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Does it matter if he dismisses GAF?
MadJackChurchill
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His Twitter handle is "notaxation" and his picture is "Don't tread on me". You bet he believes in tax cuts lol.