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[Buddy Mcpuddy]

Money doesn't magically make people smarter.

There was a huge thing a couple years ago about him making rape jokes, as with this case, over a series of videos. This guy isn't going to change, he's always been a piece of shit.

Edit: I believe it was before Disney purchased Maker?

I just can't fathom the depth of stupidity that must be required to not even be able to employ the forethought required to, oh I don't know?, reconsider making anti-Semitic statements when you have a contract with Disney.

 

[xxracerxx]

posted accidentally.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The guy lives in Sweden. Why is knowledge of the white nationalist movement in the US and the UK now a qualifier?



That was not the crux of his post at all. This is selective reading resulting in nothing other than another strawman in this thread.

How could a man in Sweden be aware of white nationalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Swedish_general_election,_2018

The Sweden Democrats have, among all Swedish parliamentary parties, had the largest share of elected municipal representatives resign since the 2010 elections (27.8%).[116] Many of these resignations were brought on by racist statements or actions by these representatives.[116]

In November 2012, party spokesperson Erik Almqvist resigned after he had been caught on tape making racist and sexist statements.[117] Another video later surfaced, showing how Almqvist, in addition to party spokesperson Kent Ekeroth and party official Christian Westling were arming themselves with aluminium pipes before they sought out a confrontation with Soran Ismail, a Swedish comedian of Kurdish descent.[118]

In November 2012, parliamentarian Lars Isovaara resigned after accusing two people of foreign origin of stealing his bag (which Isovaara had left at a restaurant) and then proceeding to verbally abuse a security guard of a foreign background.[119] Isovaara's replacement in parliament, Markus Wiechel, was found in April 2013 to have referred to a group of black people as "monkeys".[120]

In March 2013, 12 individuals were thrown out of the party for their involvement in neo-Nazi or other extremist movements.[121]

In November 2013, parliamentarian and then vice party leader Jonas Åkerlund gained attention for having called immigrants "parasites" during a broadcast on SD's own radio station in 2002, after the recording was publicly rediscovered. In his defence, Åkerlund stated that he only said it to provoke people.[122]

In September 2014, a few weeks before the general election, the party chairman of the local Stockholm branch, Christoffer Dulny resigned from his position. He had been posting mocking comments about immigrants, calling them "shameless liers" on alternative media sites.[123] He also resigned from his newly won position in the parliament on the same day he was elected, 29 September 2014.[124]

In October 2016, a video of the parliamentarian and economic policy spokesperson Oscar Sjöstedt making antisemitic jokes was released. Whilst at a party, believed to have taken place in 2011, he laughingly told a story about former co-workers with Nazi sympathies mocking jews and comparing them to sheeps.[125]

During the same month, the parliamentarian and second vice party leader Carina Herrstedt was confronted with having sent an allegedly racist, antisemitic, homophobic and antiziganist email to her then spouse in 2011. The email, which had been leaked from the party's internal servers, for instance contained phrases that named black football players from the team Landskrona BoIS as niggers whilst also picturing Romani people as thieves.[126]

In December 2016, the parliamentarian Anna Hagwall was thrown out of the party after using arguments associated with antisemitism to argue for a bill that she introduced in parliament intended to reduce concentration of media ownership in Sweden.[127]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats#Racist_incidents

 

[R0ckman]

Yeah, it gets the same effect as calling anyone that disagrees with you racist, sexist or a bigot: It leads people nowhere at all.

This is stupid, labels of shame are made for a reason, they are made so they can be addressed and corrected.

SJW is a stupid attempt at creating a buzzword to invalidate a point of view, its artificial and not at all equal to a label that one earns that should bring them shame, such as a racist, gossip, glutton etc.

 

[Stranya]

It's incredible that, in his apology, he refers to the actions in question as a "joke".

 

[jacob armitage]

It's incredible that, in his apology, he refers to the actions in question as a "joke".

Very tone deaf.

 

[Nerokis]

you shouldn't call people sjw because it's 'outlawed' (it isn't). you shouldn't call people sjw because the notion of mocking people who support social justice is ridiculous. it reminds me of comic book villains from the 1950s lamenting those 'do-gooders'.

Like most people on this board, I dislike the term 'SJW', and it has negative connotations whenever I see someone use it. But there was a brief period of time when I saw it as a fitting term for describing a particular group of people. As someone who got into Tumblr, in part, because there were a number of social justice communities I could engage with, and then proceeded to bounce from Tumblr when I noticed a lot of the discussion there was super loud, vitriolic, and insular, 'SJW' seemed like a humorous, accurate enough description for the people who turned me off from that platform. (I realize that was a long sentence.)

Soon enough, I noticed the people I had picked up the term from had a lot of views I disagreed with, and dropped it. I do understand, though, how it has managed to sustain non-fringe use. For a lot of people passing through these discussions in a casual manner, the negative connotations it now has for me (and a good amount of people on this board) never take shape. They don't associate it with GamerGate, the alt-right, or whatever else. It's an (often ironic) term that has currency in broader discussions about how we communicate with one another, where such labels don't have as much pull or significance.

I write all this to add some context, because I find a lot of the arguments for not using the term presented in this thread unpersuasive. They explain the negative connotation in a way that, it seems to me, fundamentally presumes the negative connotation - for example, without it, who would think that the term is seriously mocking supporting social justice in and of itself? I think it'd be more accurate to say, "We have come to dislike the term because a lot of bad people use it. You'll be much easier to take seriously or in good faith if you drop it."

Anyway, this isn't a subject that warrants a post of this length, and I'm not proposing a change to the status quo beyond maybe showing slightly more patience to people who haven't yet picked up our lingo. So...yeah. Posts get long when you're procrastinating at 1:30am.

 

[-Mutsukki-]

When did I ever call PewDiePie a Nazi?

In fact, I specifically stated numerous times in this thread that he is not a Nazi.

Insensitive asshole who likes to tell antisemitic jokes, yes. Nazi, no.

I feel that the kind of thinking you demonstrated is what make people jump and start calling other people names. But if you didn't then sorry, my bad.

I am saying that it was not 'gamer culture,' it was shitty people saying shitty things.

Mhmmmm yes, I can agree with that, but I also feel like that was very rooted by that point, nobody found it weird. But times change and that's alright (and probably for the better in this case)

This is stupid, labels of shame are made for a reason, they are made so they can be addressed and corrected.

SJW is a stupid attempt at creating a buzzword to invalidate a point of view, its artificial and not at all equal to a label that one earns that should bring them shame, such as a racist, gossip, glutton etc.

That is the problem, they're being used on the same level. Labels of shame are so strong that they can ruin a person's life, shouldn't be used lightly and if thrown around will get nowhere. I'm not talking about people that actually deserves these labels by the way. Anyway, my point is that jumping and calling anyone anything unless they absolutely deserve it is a shit practice.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

Kudos to you for actually having a conversation with me. You're right, I won't use the term anymore. Unfortunately the damage is already done. Well I'll hopefully do better next time

I'm glad you were chill enough to listen to 'the other side'. It just gets a bit suspicious when a number of junior posters run into the thread talking about 'SJW' being offended as their first thread. Or just plain trolling and saying 'ban me I have alts', etc.

People being paid to write anti-semitic hate speech online isn't absurd it's a reality, it happens. We know there are organisations that pay people to post hateful shit online, and most of then have links to white-supremacist groups.

Most of them are paid in rubles too.

 

[Supast4r]

Is Markiplier the only big youtuber who isn't a piece of shit? Oh and the Grumps.

Maximillian DOOD isn't bad as far as I know. He's not super big though.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

you shouldn't call people sjw because it's 'outlawed' (it isn't). you shouldn't call people sjw because the notion of mocking people who support social justice is ridiculous. it reminds me of comic book villains from the 1950s lamenting those 'do-gooders'.

There's a difference between people standing up for what they believe is right and being a SJW.

SJW lose credibility and sting for being outraged at every scenario possible and just being obnoxiously loud without giving room for a dialogue.

 

[xxracerxx]

Mhmmmm yes, I can agree with that, but I also feel like that was very rooted by that point, nobody found it weird. But times change and that's alright (and probably for the better in this case)

I edited this part in:

edit: I do think you are handwaving away a shit ton of terrible things said by just calling it 'gamer culture' though.

And I still think you are by saying no one found that weird.

 

[SomewhatGroovy]

But you go on protecting the dude that just made fun of genocide.

Thanks for the greenlight.

In the history of Comedy, no subject has ever been taboo for discussion nor will it ever. There is a fine line between joking about genocide and joking about the victims of genocide.

PewDiePie isn't a comedian. That's where he fucked up.

 

[-Mutsukki-]

I edited this part in:


And I still think you are by saying no one found that weird.

No I'm not, I'm stating a fact. I'm not making any commentary about how it was better or not that people did not find that weird. I'm not excusing anything. Do not put words in my mouth

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

Is Markiplier the only big youtuber who isn't a piece of shit? Oh and the Grumps.

TheBitBlock is also a piece of shit. But he's not that "big"

 

[civilstrife]

There's a difference between people standing up for what they believe is right and being a SJW.

SJW lose credibility and sting for being outraged at every scenario possible and just being obnoxiously loud without giving room for a dialogue.

So a person being a SJW is matter of degrees? As in, "Care, but not too much?"
Or is it just when someone cares about something you don't or don't understand?

 

[Pathfinder]

Thanks for the greenlight.

In the history of Comedy, no subject has ever been taboo for discussion nor will it ever. There is a fine line between joking about genocide and joking about the victims of genocide.

I think part of the problem may stem from some people's unique definition of the word "joke".

PewDiePie isn't a comedian. That's where he fucked up.

You're right. He's not.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

So a person being a SJW is matter of degrees? As in, "Care, but not too much?"
Or is it just when someone cares about something you don't or don't understand?

U can care about something passionately without being an asshole. Is this an incomprehensible concept?

 

[-Mutsukki-]

TheBitBlock is also a piece of shit. But he's not that "big"

I think he was asking for people that were not pieces of shit, but goddam did this exchange make me angry. I hate "intellectual atheists" sooo much

 

[SomewhatGroovy]

I think part of the problem may stem from some people's unique definition of the word "joke".

Ha, I just clarified my post to suggest that's where he fucked up. He shouldn't play comedian.

 

[eXistor]

All of this just reads a a bad joke gone wrong. I doubt very much he is a nazi (seriously guys?). I always love the hypocrisy on display. This is a guy who repeatedly yells rape jokes and he gets away with it, in fact millions seem to love it (I mean Disney clearly did), but make dumb nazi jokes and he's a monster all of a sudden?

He made a dumb mistake and the joke backfired, move on. He's not suddenly this human garbage people suddenly make him out ot be, be real.

 

[AniHawk]

Do you also think that people who attack the Patriot Act do so because they hate patriotism?

not really the same thing?

There's a difference between people standing up for what they believe is right and being a SJW.

SJW lose credibility and sting for being outraged at every scenario possible and just being obnoxiously loud without giving room for a dialogue.

whatever meaning 'sjw' originally had has been corrupted into something more all-encompassing since the alt-right got their hands on it. it's a term used to broadly describe progressive politics and actual social justice. censor a game? probably because you're a sjw. want more women in the workforce? definitely something a sjw would do. more representation in games from different races and backgrounds? damn those sjws are just ruining mah games.

i've even read comments where posters believe there's some sort of secret sjw cabal working behind the scenes to undermine the hobby they love. it's fucking ridiculous.

 

[Zakalwe]

Pewdiepie is not an nazi. That's ridiculous.

He's an idiot for making the jokes he did, but he's clearly doing it for the shock value. Does that make him any better/worse?

I don't think it's comparable, but I do think he should be held accountable as the jokes he made can cause harm.

 

[Oersted]

17 pages thread.

1 poster called him a Nazi.

Lets use that to deflect the actual issue at hand.

U can care about something passionately without being an asshole. Is this an incomprehensible concept?

If that is the worst thing the far left militia can do...

Spoiler

Also holy thread derail Batman

 

[xxracerxx]

No I'm not, I'm stating a fact. I'm not making any commentary about how it was better or not that people did not find that weird. I'm not excusing anything. Do not put words in my mouth

I completely understand you are not saying it was better back then, but you are just handwaving it away by saying it was so 'rooted' in 'gamer culture' that it passed.

And regarding the 'not find it weird' part, you literally just said this:

Mhmmmm yes, I can agree with that, but I also feel like that was very rooted by that point, nobody found it weird. But times change and that's alright (and probably for the better in this case)

 

[-Mutsukki-]

All of this just reads a a bad joke gone wrong. I doubt very much he is a nazi (seriously guys?). I always love the hypocrisy on display. This is a guy who repeatedly yells rape jokes and he gets away with it, in fact millions seem to love it (I mean Disney clearly did), but make dumb nazi jokes and he's a monster all of a sudden?

He made a dumb mistake and the joke backfired, move on. He's not suddenly this human garbage people suddenly make him out ot be, be real.

He doesn't though, people called him out a fucking lot on that and he apologized like a lot of time later, after he allegedly "grew up".

He did a bad thing, it was dumb, he got called out. Luckily for him, he can grow up yet again

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

I think he was asking for people that were not pieces of shit, but goddam did this exchange make me angry. I hate "intellectual atheists" sooo much

Oh I misread haha. But Josh claims he isn't an atheist. He's a bigoted moron

 

[-Mutsukki-]

I completely understand you are not saying it was better back then, but you are just handwaving it away by saying it was so 'rooted' in 'gamer culture' that it passed.

And regarding the 'not find it weird' part, you literally just said this:

Yes I know what I said, but I did not mean anything by it except that it was a thing that happened. A lot of people grew out of this kind of behaviour and apologized, him being included. I'm not handwaving, but are we supposed to held absolutely everyone accountable for this, even when we can all agree and be glad that this kind of shit doesn't fly anymore?

Oh I misread haha. But Josh claims he isn't an atheist. He's a bigoted moron

...what IS he then. If he's Jewish or Christian what he said make 0 sense, since they're all the same God. what the fuck lol

 

[zoukka]

Do we have the context for these moments in his videos? Did he endorse these views or laugh at them?

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

There's a difference between people standing up for what they believe is right and being a SJW.

SJW lose credibility and sting for being outraged at every scenario possible and just being obnoxiously loud without giving room for a dialogue.

Nope. An SJW is anyone who critizes anything ever, even if that critique was delivered in a non-inflammatory way. Question if GoT is sexist? SJW. Point out these female armor designs are kinda sexist in a thread? SJW. Put a gay character kissing another girl into a video game Cough-TLOU-Cough? Cuckmann is just a SJW.

SJW has been taken over by people who just hate criticism of literally anything they like. I fucking disagree with some of these arguements myself, but you can't be blind to how on literally anywhere you'll find someone typing SJW as a response to any comment on an entettainment medium. It used to be a way to laugh at well intentioned teenagers trying to act progressive on Tumblr but it's outta control.

Don't get me started on people who decide to use it on people outside of the entertainment sphere.

 

[joe2187]

Maximillian DOOD isn't bad as far as I know. He's not super big though.

Dont forget to come join us in the church of the Super Best Friends Play

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1342210

Dont look too much into the thread titles, and Podcast titles.

I assure you that titles such as:

"Black Panthers debut was running from the cops"
"Crowd fund the fourth reich"
"Aryan Resurrection"
"Cant push baby murder for summer slam"
"Underwater Racism"
"Three-fifths of a Podcast"
"Miracle Girls Festival: Let Me Bury Your Child: Stop Me From Bearing Your Child"
"Sense of Blackface Alliance"
"The Races Must Not Mix Until Time Cube is Defeated"

All make total sense and do not reflect upon you badly when seen on your phone by other people.

 

[Nanashrew]

I think he was asking for people that were not pieces of shit, but goddam did this exchange make me angry. I hate "intellectual atheists" sooo much

Josh Thomas is a very awful individual. I believe he's a Trump supporter as well. I refuse to watch any video he produces when they wind up on GAF. He's done a lot of crap and harassed other YTers, his audience, antagonizes people, and acts like a petulant child all the time.

Some might even say he's salty or frustrated a lot of the time on Twitter, but he once even made an alt account where it's just endless amounts of hate thrown out.

 

[ModestMouseTrap]

I'm sorry but Pewdiepie is not a Nazi, and he definitely does not have anything against Jews. This is getting kind of out of hand. He is definitely immature but none of the videos I've seen when put in context have an ounce of seriousness to them and he is clearly doing so ironically in response to the original ridiculous accusation. He is a smartass, and most of the content referencing Nazi's and nazi imagery is all in reference to the original accusation.
It's amazing how quickly people take out their pitchforks. Is this where we are at now? Didnt we used to lampoon Nazis and naziism until recently? I understand we are under duress with the Cheeto running the country but it seems like this is becoming the lefts (I'm a liberal as well) version of mcarthyism and "the red scare".

Accusing someone of being a nazi is a VERY serious accusation.

 

[Piggus]

Do we have the context for these moments in his videos? Did he endorse these views or laugh at them?

He doesn't endorse those views. Anyone who's followed him knows he does it as an ongoing joke, and part of that joke is in response to those who freak out about it. I think he went a little too far with it in the Fiver video, but whatever. He's not really doing anything that other people aren't doing, but people look for any reason they can hate on him and other YouTubers, so the reaction isn't really that surprising.

I don't know why Disney agreed to do anything with him in the first place considering none of his content is family friendly in any way lol.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

Pewdiepie is not an nazi. That's ridiculous.

He's an idiot for making the jokes he did, but he's clearly doing it for the shock value. Does that make him any better/worse?

I don't think it's comparable, but I do think he should be held accountable as the jokes he made can cause harm.

All of this just reads a a bad joke gone wrong. I doubt very much he is a nazi (seriously guys?). I always love the hypocrisy on display. This is a guy who repeatedly yells rape jokes and he gets away with it, in fact millions seem to love it (I mean Disney clearly did), but make dumb nazi jokes and he's a monster all of a sudden?

He made a dumb mistake and the joke backfired, move on. He's not suddenly this human garbage people suddenly make him out ot be, be real.

I mean according to the article he's done jokes like this 9 times before so...

This is the only 'joke' that had an edited video dedicated to it. Could have slid by if he just apologized on twitter and not made a video like the others.

I guess that's the funny part.

 

[Oersted]

I'm sorry but Pewdiepie is not a Nazi, and he definitely does not have anything against Jews. This is getting kind of out of hand. He is definitely immature but none of the videos I've seen when put in context have an ounce of seriousness to them and he is clearly doing so ironically in response to the original ridiculous accusation. He is a smartass, and most of the content referencing Nazi's and nazi imagery is all in reference to the original accusation.
It's amazing how quickly people take out their pitchforks. Is this where we are at now? Didnt we used to lampoon Nazis and naziism until recently? I understand we are under duress with the Cheeto running the country but it seems like this is becoming the lefts (I'm a liberal as well) version of mcarthyism and "the red scare".

Accusing someone of being a nazi is a VERY serious accusation.

Jon Bones is McCarthy and Gafs leader, sure. As sure as you are left.

 

[Zakalwe]

I mean according to the article he's done jokes like this 9 times before so...

This is the only 'joke' that had an edited video dedicated to it. Could have slid by if he just apologized on twitter and not made a video like the others.

I guess that's the funny part.

As I said, all this makes him is an idiot in that he's not being aware enough of the potential damage his jokes could do.

This doesn't make him a nazi, and throwing that around as a description here weakens us (those who oppose overt fascism and bigotry) elsewhere.

Yeh, I get the need to stand up to it in all degrees, but not like this...

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

Josh Thomas is a very awful individual. I believe he's a Trump supporter as well.

Hardcore supporter. He picks fights with people on Twitter about it every day--even Charles Martinet!

 

[SaniOYOYOY]

Do we have the context for these moments in his videos? Did he endorse these views or laugh at them?

this. I watched pewdiepie daily and I dont even remember such video exist

 

[Ratrat]

whatever meaning 'sjw' originally had has been corrupted into something more all-encompassing since the alt-right got their hands on it. it's a term used to broadly describe progressive politics and actual social justice. censor a game? probably because you're a sjw. want more women in the workforce? definitely something a sjw would do. more representation in games from different races and backgrounds? damn those sjws are just ruining mah games.

i've even read comments where posters believe there's some sort of secret sjw cabal working behind the scenes to undermine the hobby they love. it's fucking ridiculous.

Seems like its down to personal experience. As someone who is often labeled sjw, I do think there are enough idiots that warrant it being used.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

As I said, all this makes him is an idiot in that he's not being aware enough of the potential damage his jokes could do.

This doesn't make him a nazi, and throwing that around as a description here weakens us (those who oppose overt fascism and bigotry) elsewhere.

Yeh, I get the need to stand up to it in all degrees, but not like this...

Never said he was. Just a fucking idiot who thought he was above it all.

Also a whiny baby with his constant 'it's a prabk bro' responses but that's just me.

 

[-Mutsukki-]

Seems like its down to personal experience. As someone who is often labeled sjw, I do think there are enough idiots that warrant it being used.

I fucking hate the term SJW with a passion, but I honestly got around thinking this recently and that's really bad.

Never said he was. Just a fucking idiot who thought he was above it all.

Also a whiny baby with his constant 'it's a prabk bro' responses but that's just me.

I don't think you know what you're saying... "it's a prank bro" is a completely different category of people that are Actual Confirmed Shitheads

 

[Nanashrew]

Hardcore supporter. He picks fights with people on Twitter about it every day--even Charles Martinet!

Was this when Martinet compared Sean Spicer to Joseph Goebbels?

 

[Bananastand]

So what are the odds of him pandering to the GamerGate, white nationalist, Trump-fan, anti-pc audience starting from now?

 

[Ratrat]

I fucking hate the term SJW with a passion, but I honestly got around thinking this recently and that's really bad.



I don't think you know what you're saying... "it's a prank bro" is a completely different category of people that are Actual Confirmed Shitheads

I know criticizing our own should hardly be a priority, but once in a while you'll see or hear something and wonder what the fuck is wrong with some people.

 

[zoukka]

He doesn't endorse those views. Anyone who's followed him knows he does it as an ongoing joke, and part of that joke is in response to those who freak out about it. I think he went a little too far with it in the Fiver video, but whatever. He's not really doing anything that other people aren't doing, but people look for any reason they can hate on him and other YouTubers, so the reaction isn't really that surprising.

I don't know why Disney agreed to do anything with him in the first place considering none of his content is family friendly in any way lol.

Good to know. I can understand Disney wanting to keep out of this though.

 

[SaniOYOYOY]

So what are the odds of him pandering to the GamerGate, white nationalist, Trump-fan, anti-pc audience starting from now?

zero. he will stay as he is, another studio will pick him up, and I will still watch his video

 

[Zakalwe]

Never said he was. Just a fucking idiot who thought he was above it all.

Also a whiny baby with his constant 'it's a prabk bro' responses but that's just me.

I don't think he thought he was above it all, I don't think he really thought.He made some idiotic jokes and got away with it because no one called him out (no one who would actually have any impact, ie: people who get him paid).

This doesn't make him a demon like some are making him out to be ITT. It doesn't make him the enemy (although that's a fine line he's balancing on).

How he handles himself from this point on now will tell us about that last part for certain.

 

[Nightbird]

I like Pewdiepie, he started to become one of my favorite Youtubers. I really don't think he is a Nazi. He, however, does like to use Nazi imagery as shock material in his videos.

Considering that a sizable portion of his audience consists of kids, there were some videos where i thought "what the fuck are you doing?" most recently, the beginning of his "comment about my new hair" video, where did again use nazi imagery.

I'm not gonna defend him on this. He takes days to produce his videos, he had plenty of time to think about what to add, and what not while editing, so if he decides to roll with this, he needs to be ready to bear the consequences.

 

[Charamiwa]

It's probably been said already, but saying PewDiePie had a partnership with Disney is vastly overselling it. He had a contract with Maker, like many youtuber, which then got aquired by Disney. That's it. It does make for a good headline though