2016-17 TV Cancellations Thread: TNT finds "Nothing can come of nothing."

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Deep Dive Regional Television Warning.

As a follow-up to a few posts I did a couple months ago about the channel affiliation shakeup happening in the Boston market (where Comcast pulled the affiliation from the local channel in favor of starting up its own channel with its own news team; the local channel, WHDH, switched to an all news format, producing over 80 hours of news a week):

The ratings are in for January for both stations and it appears the split hasn't really helped either too much. While this is specific to the Boston market, I do think there are important concepts that can be gleaned from this example, especially when trying to figure out why the CW has a hard time growing its audience when compared to similar smaller networks like Fox.

From the Boston Globe:

NBC Boston, officially WBTS-TV, debuted Jan. 1, but each of its local newscasts ranked dead last in its time slot for the month among the critical 25- to 54-year-old demographic prized by advertisers.

Its 5 p.m. and 6 p.m. news broadcasts in January drew an average of 5,555 and 9,340 viewers, respectively, while the ratings leader for those times, WCVB, drew 26,940 and 38,338 viewers. Some individual NBC Boston news broadcasts even registered a 0.0 rating on Nielsen’s scale, which measures the percentage of televisions in a market area that were tuned in to a particular show.

The primary bright spot for NBC Boston, besides popular programming such as the Golden Globes and NFL football games, is the “Today” show, which ranked first among 25- to 54-year-olds during the weekday 7-to-9 a.m. period.

The picture is slightly more complicated over at WHDH:

WHDH, meanwhile, is having trouble replacing the NBC content it lost. For example, substituting local news for the “Today” show caused its ratings share for weekday mornings to drop from 1.7 to 0.8.

The former NBC affiliate also saw ratings for its existing news broadcasts dip somewhat. WHDH’s 6 p.m. news show fell from a first-place 1.8 rating to a second-place 1.3 rating, for example.

And while WHDH’s new 8 p.m. “Family Feud” broadcast is performing well, the station’s average evening prime-time rating throughout the week dropped from 2.5 to 0.8. NBC Boston, with its popular NBC shows, managed a 1.9 share during the same hours.

The most important detail here is that NBC Boston's ratings are down .6 points during prime time from the same period last year. There's a few things that help account for this, one being that NBC has a new channel number and viewers may not be used to tuning to it, but the major culprit could be the weakness of the local news team. As for why this is complicated for WHDH, it's because while their ratings are down, they are now keeping 100% of the advertising money during their broadcasts.

I think this underscores why the CW has a hard time consistently measuring up to the big 3. Much like NBC Boston, CW affiliates are generally the newest stations in their markets and to my knowledge none of them have their own dedicated news team. These trappings, like morning shows, evening news, and late night shows help gather larger groups of people that can be advertised to and increase the chance of people just leaving their TVs set to a certain channel.
 
I am surprised at how much I'm actually enjoying Lethal Weapon. On the other hand, second episode of Training Day was still bad.
 
Exactly. There is nothing worse than a dumb show that thinks it's smart. That's why I could only take one season of House of Cards.

I think House of Cards knows what it is to some degree though. Keeping up that S1 high was never going be to possible on multiple seasons.

True Detective made the mistake of thinking it could, but in reality few shows become much better in later seasons. Babylon 5 is the poster boy for being an exception, but it's one of very, very few TV shows to be able to do so. Because you have unlimited amount of time to pilot stuff, but when you have to write a show, you have to deliver on a yearly schedule. You can't maintain an increase (of even stable quality) on that kind of pressure. If Aaron Sorkin can't do it, you're not going to suddenly be able to beat that Sisyphus hill just because you think you're better than one of the most qualified 'great on schedule' writers around (with a full writer's room to boot).
I appreciate the difficulty of making good things when constrained by budget and time. But if you're drowning in budget and the writing is shit, that's a paddling.
 
So Star and Lethal Weapon seem like safe-bets for Fox next season

Wonder if will keep it in Empire's hiatus spot

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Is that a low for Arrow?
So sad because this season is better than ever.
 
The main reason I don't often post on series specific threads is because a lot of GAF members cannot for the life of them just enjoy a show and have to pick apart every detail and complain about it. The biggest problem is when one person notices something that nobody noticed themselves, yet they all jump on it and within hours the show or at least that episode will be the worst thing ever.

Generally as long as I am entertained, I am good, I do not require perfection. I will drop shows when I find myself getting distracted and doing other things while watching them too much, but as long as a show keeps me entertained, I am in.

I feel the same sometimes, I'll watch an episode of The Flash and be like "that was a nice, quaint episode" and then go on GAF & see everyone calling it the worst fucking thing. It's not that I need some echo chamber of people agreeing that everything I like is the greatest thing ever, but sometimes the resounding negativity is boring.

All I can end up saying is "the majority of your reasons for not liking this thing are valid, but I enjoyed it, so I don't know what to tell ya".
 
Nothing flash does is better than ANYTHING on HBO. Garbage show for garbage viewers.

This feels borderline.

Yeah in OT threads they just post porn fanfics

Only the best ones


Hyped to finally binge this whole series. Andy Daly is phenomenal.

I feel the same sometimes, I'll watch an episode of The Flash and be like "that was a nice, quaint episode" and then go on GAF & see everyone calling it the worst fucking thing. It's not that I need some echo chamber of people agreeing that everything I like is the greatest thing ever, but sometimes the resounding negativity is boring.

All I can end up saying is "the majority of your reasons for not liking this thing are valid, but I enjoyed it, so I don't know what to tell ya".

The Flash thread is generally pretty solid, the worst criticism was (rightfully) for the Zoom reveal stuff but it's mostly positivity. It is nowhere near the Arrow S3 and S4 threads. Took two seasons to get rid of the hate, and now we get the best season yet and very little complaining.

All of it is better than any Star Wars prequel discussion anywhere ever
 
The Flash thread is generally pretty solid, the worst criticism was (rightfully) for the Zoom reveal stuff but it's mostly positivity. It is nowhere near the Arrow S3 and S4 threads. Took two seasons to get rid of the hate, and now we get the best season yet and very little complaining.
Yup, I can't even recall the last real negative post in the Arrow thread for this season.
 
That's what happens when you make a good season, 3 and 4's backlash was more than warranted
I was one of those people that complained almost all the way through S4 and the second half of S3 in there.
I actually dropped it till the crossover hype started to pull me back and I was hooked again within 2 episodes of S5.

Its why the ratings are pretty sad to me because it is an incredible apology from them for those 2 seasons.
 
> We are nearly at the point where Goldbergs overtakes Modern Family in the ratings. They have been edging closer to each other for well over a year. Could it happen this season?
Given the respective ages of the shows, I bet that ABC would love to have that happen... assuming it's more because of The Goldbergs going up and less Modern Family going down.

Old news now, but this is definitely gonna help

http://www.itechpost.com/articles/8...ds-all-set-to-join-the-goldbergs-season-4.htm
 
Powerless looks like a dud.

I guess you tried, NBC. If only you'd kept Constantine on the air, you could have had your own NBC DC Television Universe and pulled crossover stunts for ratings.
 
Powerless, Training Day and Riverdale all whiffed right out of the gate. Tough month for Warner Bros tv.

Santa Clarita Diet is amazing. Netflix comedies really are the best I have seen.

Yikes. Really?! I watched the first episode of Santa Clarita Diet and thought it was cheaply made garbage. Not funny, not compelling. The sort of 'meh' first episode that now passes for a good instalment of a season in this modern binge culture.

Rant ends.
 
Powerless, Training Day and Riverdale all whiffed right out of the gate. Tough month for Warner Bros tv.



Yikes. Really?! I watched the first episode of Santa Clarita Diet and thought it was cheaply made garbage. Not funny, not compelling. The sort of 'meh' first episode that now passes for a good instalment of a season in this modern binge culture.

Rant ends.

It is better than the 1st episode but I wouldn't call it good.
 
Powerless, Training Day and Riverdale all whiffed right out of the gate. Tough month for Warner Bros tv.



Yikes. Really?! I watched the first episode of Santa Clarita Diet and thought it was cheaply made garbage. Not funny, not compelling. The sort of 'meh' first episode that now passes for a good instalment of a season in this modern binge culture.

Rant ends.

The best part is Olyphant. Guy kills it in all episodes.
 
Anyone know how accurate these Live+7 numbers are for cable shows?
http://www.tv-recaps-reviews.com/2017/02/cable-live-7-ratings-jan-30-feb-5.html

It shows pretty good ratings, I would imagine, for Live+7 for stuff I am hoping gets renewed like Taboo and The Expanse, and at least the Live+SD numbers match what the networks have said.

I was also a bit surprised at how (relatively) high the Top Chef numbers still are, don't really seem to have anyone talk about the show anymore.
 
started watching Chef's Table, I feel it should be 25mins eps >_>

also there is a lot less food porn than I expected.
 
A world where y'all don't care about Emerald City's ratings is a world I don't want to be a part of:

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I can't believe The Vampire Diaries is doing just as well as Riverdale. I mean I'm a huge fan of TVD but the quality was going downhill untill last season and then it went down again in this final season. That's fine and all. But a show of Riverdale's caliber should have better ratings, it's a crime it's not doing better than it is.
 
I can't believe The Vampire Diaries is doing just as well as Riverdale. I mean I'm a huge fan of TVD but the quality was going downhill untill last season and then it went down again in this final season. That's fine and all. But a show of Riverdale's caliber should have better ratings, it's a crime it's not doing better than it is.

Did The CW renew The Originals? Hard to imagine that show lasts much longer in a post-Vampire Diaries world.
 
Did The CW renew The Originals? Hard to imagine that show lasts much longer in a post-Vampire Diaries world.
Only for a fourth season next month. There's been speculation that some TVs cast members could crossover to The Originals but I don't think that series is gonna continue either.
 
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