TheGreatMightyPoo
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It's said to be based on Bomberman 64 and Super Bomberman 3 but I have seen no indication of animals.
New Super Bomberman R footage - appears 60 fps?
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Until you put the same games running in different FPS side by side I am completely incapable of telling the difference.
And sometimes even then I can't tell especially when we get into weird values that are not 30 and 60.
edit: seems I'm not alone people here are actually arguing about what the fps is.
And sometimes even then I can't tell especially when we get into weird values that are not 30 and 60.
edit: seems I'm not alone people here are actually arguing about what the fps is.
I don't think this is 60fps. I brought the 60p youtube clip into Adobe Premiere and gave each frame a look. The uploaded video is 60fps, and it just gives that impression by the frame interpolation. If you watch it frame by frame you'll see blurred/mixed frames in both Bomerman (30fps) and Zelda (30fps), where in Mario Kart 8DX (60fps) you can really count each individual frame.
The game still looks good, and I'm glad to hear the load times are getting improved. They were horrible at the Switch event.
The game still looks good, and I'm glad to hear the load times are getting improved. They were horrible at the Switch event.
I'm still fairly convinced that this game is targeting 60 fps for the final build because the menus/cutscenes run in 60. You can even see the 3D models animate in 60 for them. At this point though I wouldn't be surprised if they're just straight up running the commercial build in demo events so if it's not 60 now then I don't have high hopes.
At some points in the video it seems to dip into the 30fps that ran in previous builds. I can only hope it gets fixed if it is targeting 60. If it doesn't, it'll be somewhat disappointing since they can indubitably get a lot more out of the Switch than this. Not necessarily a dealbreaker, but 60 fps would be much more preferable.
At some points in the video it seems to dip into the 30fps that ran in previous builds. I can only hope it gets fixed if it is targeting 60. If it doesn't, it'll be somewhat disappointing since they can indubitably get a lot more out of the Switch than this. Not necessarily a dealbreaker, but 60 fps would be much more preferable.
El Sabroso
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looks 30 fps
That actually looks like it may be true. The smudging effect is difficult to notice because of the blurriness of the footage and the fact that the moving screen elements don't tend to move far enough at each new frame to separate themselves from the previous frame. HOWEVER, if you pause it around 28:33 and advance frame by frame, you can see the ghosting effect on the bomb that the green thing in the upper left throws. Which suggests that maybe the game still is 30 fps. Konami still confirmed as a failure!
Well now.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Maybe you'll get a "framerate analysis blew up in my face" tag.
polyh3dron
Banned
The video itself is shot at 30FPS. You can tell from when the camera is moving, even though YouTube says it's 60.
thrillho88
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I remember in an early thread about No Man's Sky people were confidently claiming the game ran at a 'buttery smooth' 60fps on PS4.
As much as people carry on about frame rate, when it comes to it, people seem to have a really hard time picking it.
RampagingSoul
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Street Fighter isn't at launch. No confirmed release date. I think the confirmed online multiplayer game at launch is Bomberman. Other games are local I'm pretty sure like Skylanders and 1-2-Switch.
Mario Kart 8 is good for observing the differences in feel IMO single vs. Multi
because a 60fps video looking at a tv is super hard to tell if the footage you are looking at is 30fps? It definitely LOOKS smoother, but it will be hard to tell properly untill we see direct gameplay
Sora the Cat
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Ok guys, I still think the game is clearly 60fps in that video. Here's a a 1080p60fps video of zelda running offscreen, see how the game still looks 30fps even tho the video is at 60?
Hope that will make it more clear to you.
Hope that will make it more clear to you.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Kart mode confirmed.
In this case the actual off screen video is only recording at 25-30 fps. In the Bomberman video the off screen recording is at 60 fps and is also using some sort of post-processing smoothing effect which is obscured due to the blurriness of the recording.
This comparison doesn't quite work. The camera used to record this video is recording at a lower framerate than the camera used for the footage in the OP. The video is technically rendered in 60fps (mostly for the sake of Gamexplain's logo) but without the game/camera footage being interpolated it's still 30fps.
ToysAndMoreClub
Member
I had to take another look. Confirmed launch titles for Switch in North America:
- 1-2-Switch
- Human Resource Machine
- I Am Setsuna
- Just Dance 2017
- Little Inferno
- The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
- Skylanders: Imaginators
- Super Bomberman R
- World of Goo
Super Bomberman R is looking like another game I'll be picking up next to BOTW and if that's 30fps, it certainly has us fooled enough, which is good enough XD.
casey_contra
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I took the video
ran this
ffmpeg -ss 28:49 -i switch.mkv -to 0.25 -qscale:v 3 frames/%04d.jpg
to get 1/4 of a second's worth of frames (15):
http://imgur.com/a/Sj1Sp
Every frame is different. As odd as it looks, it really is running at 60 FPS.
From the man himself!
Edit: I think I misunderstood... I thought you meant you took the original video, not "took" the existing video and did something with it lol.
GregLombardi
Member
lol wow this thread, kind of crazy!
sixteen-bit
Member
what if the tv is running motionsense or some sort of frame interpolation like most floor model tvs @ electronics stores?I took the video
ran this
ffmpeg -ss 28:49 -i switch.mkv -to 0.25 -qscale:v 3 frames/%04d.jpg
to get 1/4 of a second's worth of frames (15):
http://imgur.com/a/Sj1Sp
Every frame is different. As odd as it looks, it really is running at 60 FPS.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Kind of???
NecromorphTX
Member
60fps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>30fps, more is better.
Well, Bomberman looks nothing like a technical achievement, 60fps is obligatory.
Like the hat?
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When I played it on Saturday it didn't feel like 60 to be but to be honest I'm not super sensitive to the matter.
Solid SOAP
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I don't get the NEED for 60fps in Bomberman. It'd be nice and like, I don't get why it's so hard to achieve atm, but is it really necessary?
I took the video
ran this
ffmpeg -ss 28:49 -i switch.mkv -to 0.25 -qscale:v 3 frames/%04d.jpg
to get 1/4 of a second's worth of frames (15):
http://imgur.com/a/Sj1Sp
Every frame is different. As odd as it looks, it really is running at 60 FPS.
Watch the Zelda:BOTW segment in the same video file. It appears 60fps now too.
If you look closely and inspect each frame of Bomberman (and Zelda) I noticed there are blurred mid-frames. This doesn't happen in Mario Kart 8DX being 60fps.
I could be wrong and there is a motion blur effect happening in Bomberman that I'm mistaking as frame interpolation, but I don't think so.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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No, it's not necessary.
But I agree that it should be.
Well, if your execution is high enough, 60FPS is more responsive and you're less likely to get robbed for having inputted stuff accurately since the game will allow you the make that crucial corner turn at the right frames or whatever.
Not that this will help you if some asshole tosses a bomb in and you're trapped between the bomb and a wall :v
Ah yeah, I didn't even consider that. That would explain the blurry parts. Welp, it's probably interpolated.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Ok, I asked a Nintendo rep.
It's 120 fps.
It's 120 fps.
ToysAndMoreClub
Member
I took the video
ran this
ffmpeg -ss 28:49 -i switch.mkv -to 0.25 -qscale:v 3 frames/%04d.jpg
to get 1/4 of a second's worth of frames (15):
http://imgur.com/a/Sj1Sp
Every frame is different. As odd as it looks, it really is running at 60 FPS.
And this is why I love GAF
ivanthebearable
Member
Lol the deliberating over this.. we'll find out in a week! 30FPS or 60 FPS, the game will work just fine. If it bothers people enough to not buy if it's 30FPS just wait a week and get some impressions.
AcademicSaucer
Member
If Konami said 30 is 30
Solid SOAP
Member
I really think this game should've been a sprite-based, budget-priced title. $10-20 with awesome looking sprites in wide-screen HD, 60 fps. Everyone would be happy. It'd play better, be cheaper, have a bigger install base, and arguably even look better!