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[chrislowe]

Not at all. Even a 7700K struggles with some games.
The question is whether Ryzen's additional cores make up for its lower per-core performance in those games, and how it handles other games which don't scale well beyond 4 cores. (not well from looks of it, based on that GTA benchmark)

We need a list of games that does not hit 60fps on a i7 7700k.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Not at all. Even a 7700K struggles with some games.
The question is whether Ryzen's additional cores make up for its lower per-core performance in those games, and how it handles other games which don't scale well beyond 4 cores. (not well from looks of it, based on that GTA benchmark)

What?! Depends almost entirely on the videocard. Doesn't make sense.

 

[Paragon]

We need a list of games that does not hit 60fps on a i7 7700k.

Some of these are 6700K benchmarks instead of 7700K but the two should be almost identical.
ARMA 3, Dishonored 2, Civilization VI, Watch Dogs 2, and GTA V are a few.
I would expect ABZU to have framerate drops, since it drops to around 40 FPS on my 2500K and a 7700K is only supposed to be about 30% faster.

What?! Depends almost entirely on the videocard. Doesn't make sense.

As people have repeatedly tried explaining to you, minimum framerate/0.1% frame-time - the most important metric for smooth gameplay - is almost entirely dependent on the CPU & RAM, while averages can be almost entirely GPU-dependent. (though not always)

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Some of these are 6700K benchmarks instead of 7700K but the two should be almost identical.
ARMA 3, Dishonored 2, Civilization VI, Watch Dogs 2, and GTA V are a few.
I would expect ABZU to have framerate drops, since it drops to around 40 FPS on my 2500K and a 7700K is only supposed to be about 30% faster.

As people have repeatedly tried explaining to you, minimum framerate/0.1% frame-time - the most important metric for smooth gameplay - is almost entirely dependent on the CPU & RAM, while averages can be almost entirely GPU-dependent. (though not always)

Lol at these benchmarks. You're clutching at straws.

 

[spyshagg]

Lets get something clear here. The reason gaming performance is being compared between the 1700 and 7700K, is only because they fall into the same price range TODAY. But people have to forget how cpus were priced up until now. Everything changed this week, but your thought processes have not and neither have intel prices.


The true competitor for the 7700K, its not any of AMD's 8 Core parts, the same way its neither of Intel 8 core parts. The only thing pitting these two cpus together in gaming, is the insane price of the 1700 - a part made for the same workloads/market as the 6800/6900. The price is so insane, we misjudge this fact.


The analog cpu from AMD to fight the 7700K in gaming will not be a 330$ cpu, nor an 8 core cpu. Expect highly, highly clocked 4 core parts at about 200~250$. Compare games with these, not with the 3ghz 1700 Vs 4.2ghz 7700K

 

[PdotMichael]

Well, the question would be if the 8 core CPUs would be a bottleneck in any semi realistic cases of l the non multi-thread optimized game right now, because the time only plays the 8 core CPUs into their hands.

 

[longdi]

Dont we already know Ryzen single core performance? That is, it will perform same as Broadwell. AMD showed us that the IPC gain was 50%, beyond their early goals. Which ties with David Kanter article predicting Ivy-Haswell level initially.

For multi-core, it performed more efficient than Broadwell, so thats very good.

What we dont know, is how much Ryzen can overclock. A 4.5Ghz is very healthy and works great for all games now and future. A 4Ghz, not too exciting for older games i guess, but it should tie/beat your overclocked 2500/2600K buddies..

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

Dont we already know Ryzen single core performance? That is, it will perform same as Broadwell. AMD showed us that the IPC gain was 50%, beyond their early goals. Which ties with David Kanter article predicting Ivy-Haswell level initially.

For multi-core, it performed more efficient than Broadwell, so thats very good.

What we dont know, is how much Ryzen can overclock. A 4.5Ghz is very healthy and works great for all games now and future. A 4Ghz, not too exciting for older games i guess, but it should tie/beat your overclocked 2500/2600K buddies..

I wait until independent people can publish, not what pr says.

 

[Thraktor]

I would assume this is it.

Yeah, it seems to be another arbitrary synthetic benchmark with such poorly defined categories as "multi core floating point speed" and "quad core integer speed". I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in its results.

That's usually how people define "minimum FPS". (And yes, it does make very little sense, since the arbitrary "second" discretization it introduces can have a significant impact on the final number while having no relation to the game experience).

That's why I asked. The aforementioned discretization makes it an incredibly vague measure of the smoothness of a gaming experience (which is ostensibly the point of providing the figure in reviews). I'd almost just take the average FPS over it, as at least the mean is statistically well-defined.

That's actually one of the metrics techreport uses (or at least close, I don't think they use percentages). The present the frames over 50 ms, 33.3 ms, 16.7 ms and 8.3 ms. So you get a good idea of severe stutter (>50) and performance consistency at 30, 60 and 120 FPS.

Yep, TechReport is definitely my preferred site for these things. The only issue I have with them, as you mention, is that they use "time spent over X ms" rather than "percentage of time spent over X ms". Aside from the latter being more easily relatable, the benchmarking runs can vary a little bit in duration, which would get normalised when reporting as a percentage. In fact, thinking about it I'd almost argue that it should be inverted, as "percentage of time spent under X ms", just from a visual design point of view as it would give you a better idea of what you're losing, proportionally, going from one piece of gaming hardware to the next, without having to refer to a scale.

Edit: They also tend to ignore short-term frametime variance (i.e. microstutter), but then again everyone seems to ignore that outside of multi-GPU analyses.

 

[Colbert]

Lets get something clear here. The reason gaming performance is being compared between the 1700 and 7700K, is only because they fall into the same price range TODAY. But people have to forget how cpus were priced up until now. Everything changed this week, but your thought processes have not and neither have intel prices.


The true competitor for the 7700K, its not any of AMD's 8 Core parts, the same way its neither of Intel 8 core parts. The only thing pitting these two cpus together in gaming, is the insane price of the 1700 - a part made for the same workloads/market as the 6800/6900. The price is so insane, we misjudge this fact.


The analog cpu from AMD to fight the 7700K in gaming will not be a 330$ cpu, nor an 8 core cpu. Expect highly, highly clocked 4 core parts at about 200~250$. Compare games with these, not with the 3ghz 1700 Vs 4.2ghz 7700K

Valid point!

 

[psn]

Some of these are 6700K benchmarks instead of 7700K but the two should be almost identical.
ARMA 3, Dishonored 2, Civilization VI, Watch Dogs 2, and GTA V are a few.
I would expect ABZU to have framerate drops, since it drops to around 40 FPS on my 2500K and a 7700K is only supposed to be about 30% faster.

As people have repeatedly tried explaining to you, minimum framerate/0.1% frame-time - the most important metric for smooth gameplay - is almost entirely dependent on the CPU & RAM, while averages can be almost entirely GPU-dependent. (though not always)

6700k + 1070 here, Watch Dogs 2 + GTA V runs at over 100fps average with some graphic settings toned down. Never ever experienced a drop below 60fps (not even below 90), never friggin ever. A maxed out Benchmark is bs as well. 1280x720 would be much better:

http://cdn.sweclockers.com/artikel/diagram/10357?key=a77cf7f73e1c0b9912726b0497949a55

Also:
Your GTA V benchmark looks fake.
7700k @5GHz with less average frames despite having 25 more @peak and 9 more @lowest

 

[Lettuce]

Have been toying with the idea of updating my HTPC (i5 2500k, 8GB ram, 750Ti) for a while for a capture/streaming system and these new multi core AMD cpus seem to be ideal for streaming whilst playing on the same PC, was going to build one back in November using Intel but glad i didnt as these AMD's seem to be better suited for such a purpose

 

[Weevilone]

I'm clutching my shiny new Noctua AM4 heatsink bracket in my hands... itshappening.gif

 

[opticalmace]

I'm clutching my shiny new Noctua AM4 heatsink bracket in my hands... itshappening.gif

Hm, I should order one for my D15. I'm keeping my 6700k for gaming and I'm planning on the 1700x to primarily be a work machine. But there's a chance I might swap the Noctua over to the Ryzen build... and then I'll need another cooler. Hm.

 

[Weevilone]

Hm, I should order one for my D15. I'm keeping my 6700k for gaming and I'm planning on the 1700x to primarily be a work machine. But there's a chance I might swap the Noctua over to the Ryzen build... and then I'll need another cooler. Hm.

If you aren't in a hurry it's free from Noctua. If you are in a hurry, vendors are selling them. I got mine from Amazon.

Funny, we're in a similar spot. I just built a 7700k and I can either keep that for gaming and use the 1800X for work, or slide these parts to my kids' PC and do everything on the 1800X. I guess it depends on how everything shakes out.

 

[a916]

I'll be honest... all this talk makes me head hurt. I just want them to get these into the wild, bench mark this in terms I can understand with a plethora of other video cards...etc.

Pretty much just need a BF1 FPS and a few other games I like to play.

Those scores seem promising for any media streaming/converting heavy lifting.

I want to pull the trigger on the 1700 but I'm also curious to see if Intel will respond with price cuts (I doubt it at first)

 

[opticalmace]

If you aren't in a hurry it's free from Noctua. If you are in a hurry, vendors are selling them. I got mine from Amazon.

Funny, we're in a similar spot. I just built a 7700k and I can either keep that for gaming and use the 1800X for work, or slide these parts to my kids' PC and do everything on the 1800X. I guess it depends on how everything shakes out.

Ha, actually it gets even a little more similar. I'm considering sending some parts to my wife's computer, though she still has a nice little i5-4590. In any case, I'm very excited for this new build. My last AMD cpu was an Athlon 64 3000.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

I have my final PC build done. I was able to get it around $1,100. Going to nab the 1700X next Friday (If in-stock) alongside the motherboard, then buying the rest on the next paycheck. So excited to build my PC! I have prepared myself for the benchmarks, as I expect Intel to still do decently well with single core performance. Knowing this, I won't be disappointed with Ryzen at launch. I really want those extra cores and threads for livestreaming and video editing, so I'm stoked for that extra power.

 

[mixedbiznes]

Lets get something clear here. The reason gaming performance is being compared between the 1700 and 7700K, is only because they fall into the same price range TODAY. But people have to forget how cpus were priced up until now. Everything changed this week, but your thought processes have not and neither have intel prices.


The true competitor for the 7700K, its not any of AMD's 8 Core parts, the same way its neither of Intel 8 core parts. The only thing pitting these two cpus together in gaming, is the insane price of the 1700 - a part made for the same workloads/market as the 6800/6900. The price is so insane, we misjudge this fact.


The analog cpu from AMD to fight the 7700K in gaming will not be a 330$ cpu, nor an 8 core cpu. Expect highly, highly clocked 4 core parts at about 200~250$. Compare games with these, not with the 3ghz 1700 Vs 4.2ghz 7700K

I agree with everything you've said here, spyshagg. When the third party benchmarks come out next Tuesday it will more than likely be the case that the 7700K will come out ahead in gaming scenarios just as it does when being compared to to the 6900K. From the leaks so far it appears the IPC of the Ryzen 7's are at least pretty evenly matched with the 6900K and from that workload and price stand point I'm looking to build a system around the 1700K and sell off my 3570K rig.

 

[a916]

I have my final PC build done. I was able to get it around $1,100. Going to nab the 1700X next Friday (If in-stock) alongside the motherboard, then buying the rest on the next paycheck. So excited to build my PC! I have prepared myself for the benchmarks, as I expect Intel to still do decently well with single core performance. Knowing this, I won't be disappointed with Ryzen at launch. I really want those extra cores and threads for livestreaming and video editing, so I'm stoked for that extra power.

If you don't mind, can you post your build?

 

[pooptest]

Any reason to NOT get the Asus Prime X370-Pro over the VI Hero? I don't see anything in there to warrant +$100.

Trying to be slightly cheap about this build: 1700X (don't see the reason to get 1800X) and Prime X370-Pro (don't see the reason to get VI Hero).
Also, saving $200 in the process.

 

[TC McQueen]

Any reason to NOT get the Asus Prime X370-Pro over the VI Hero? I don't see anything in there to warrant +$100.

If you use a WiFi card, the lack of a short PCI-E slot above the PCI-E x16 slot is a big problem, since you might not be able to get as good a signal if your card has the antenna attach directly to the back of card.

 

[TheGreyHulk]

Man, i hopw im able to walk into frys the instant they open on 3/2 and snatch up a 1700X! I saw the labels online for it so i know theyll have some....just hope they have enough.



http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-i7-6900k-gaming-performance/

Random game test vs 6900K. Looks promising.

 

[pooptest]

If you use a WiFi card, the lack of a short PCI-E slot above the PCI-E x16 slot is a big problem, since you might not be able to get as good a signal if your card has the antenna attach directly to the back of card.

Nope, I'm good. Thanks for the input. Prime X370-Pro for me!

Also, not sure why NewEgg has it for $10 cheaper than Amazon.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

If you don't mind, can you post your build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ShadowKingpin/saved/d6QLkL

Now, keep in mind that I am eliminating $70 by not going with the motherboard in that list (The one I am using, the ASUS Prime B350-Plus, is not available on PC Part Picker as of now and it's $100).

 

[LelouchZero]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ShadowKingpin/saved/d6QLkL

Now, keep in mind that I am eliminating $70 by not going with the motherboard in that list (The one I am using, the ASUS Prime B350-Plus, is not available on PC Part Picker as of now and it's $100).

I highly recommend getting the 8GB RX 470 or 480 over the 4GB models.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

I highly recommend getting the 8GB RX 470 or 480 over the 4GB models.

I was aiming to go cheap until I could afford Vega down the road, but I may just pay the, what, extra...$100 or so for the 8GB 470/480?

 

[QualityPixel]

I was aiming to go cheap until I could afford Vega down the road, but I may just pay the, what, extra...$100 or so for the 8GB 470/480?

Playing at 1080p? if yes the RX470 will be fine until you're ready to get a 1070/1080/future-AMD-5XX.

No SSD?

 

[LelouchZero]

I was aiming to go cheap until I could afford Vega down the road, but I may just pay the, what, extra...$100 or so for the 8GB 470/480?

It looks like it's $20 more for the 8GB version of the RX 470 Sapphire Nitro+, and it apparently costs the same as the 8GB RX 480 Nitro, non plus version.

The RX 480 8GB Sapphire Nitro+ appears to be $60 more than the RX 470 4GB Sapphire Nitro+ and also appears to come with Doom for free.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

It looks like it's $20 more for the 8GB version of the RX 470 Sapphire Nitro+, and it apparently costs the same as the 8GB RX 480 Nitro, non plus version.

The RX 480 8GB Sapphire Nitro+ appears to be $60 more than the RX 470 4GB Sapphire Nitro+ and also appears to come with Doom for free.

Much appreciated, but I am going to stick with the 470 only for now until I have more money to invest (With my current divorce and living on my own in a few months, I am trying not to go crazy on the PC build), so the GPU is where I will have to cut corners until Vega.

Playing at 1080p? if yes the RX470 will be fine until you're ready to get a 1070/1080/future-AMD-5XX.

No SSD?

Yeah, I plan to stick with the 470 until I upgrade to Vega. Right now, I am on a budget and need to cut corners. I only have a 1080p monitor, so the 470 is more than enough for right now. I just updated the build with a small SSD for the OS.

 

[LelouchZero]

Much appreciated, but I am going to stick with the 470 only for now until I have more money to invest (With my current divorce and living on my own in a few months, I am trying not to go crazy on the PC build), so the GPU is where I will have to cut corners until Vega.



I will buy an SSD soon, but after the build

Yeah, I plan to stick with the 470 until I upgrade to Vega. Right now, I am on a budget and need to cut corners. I only have a 1080p monitor, so the 470 is more than enough for right now. I just updated the build with a small SSD for the OS.

Sorry to hear about that. The RX 470 is a really nice card, I hope you enjoy it!

 

[StaSeb]

I am in on the 1700x, system is gonna cost me around 1900 Euros but for once in my life I wanted to build a cutting edge PC. 500gb nvme ssd, 32 gigs of ram, big ass noctua cooler, silent case, adtermarket fans and a solid board, hell, i will even have a usb-c front connector. god knows when I am gonna need that one.

Am hyped for building it!

 

[Weevilone]

I am in on the 1700x, system is gonna cost me around 1900 Euros but for once in my life I wanted to build a cutting edge PC. 500gb nvme ssd, 32 gigs of ram, big ass noctua cooler, silent case, adtermarket fans and a solid board, hell, i will even have a usb-c front connector. god knows when I am gonna need that one.

Am hyped for building it!

I'm not sure it's even legal to use a 500GB nvme drive with 32GB RAM. I think international law mandates a minimum of 1TB for the SSD.

 

[KimonoNoNo]

If you aren't in a hurry it's free from Noctua. If you are in a hurry, vendors are selling them. I got mine from Amazon.

I wonder if Cryorig will do a similar deal for the R1 I've got.

 

[Deleted member 59090]

I wonder if Cryorig will do a similar deal for the R1 I've got.

You just need to send them proof of purchase of your cooler and mobo/cpu.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

Does anyone know how to determine whether or not a specific CPU cooler will come with an AM4 bracket? Mine is the Noctua NH-D15S. It says that it supports AM4, but I don't know if the bracket comes with. I saw there was a specialized one (The Noctua NH-D15 SE model), but that is sold out.

 

[nubbe]

Does anyone know how to determine whether or not a specific CPU cooler will come with an AM4 bracket? Mine is the Noctua NH-D15S. It says that it supports AM4, but I don't know if the bracket comes with. I saw there was a specialized one (The Noctua NH-D15 SE model), but that is sold out.

They have the "SE-AM4" at the end of the name

 

[AnythingBut]

Gone to order my bracket for the hyper 212 and... out of stock (uk).

Any other outlets for 'em?

 

[StaSeb]

I'm not sure it's even legal to use a 500GB nvme drive with 32GB RAM. I think international law mandates a minimum of 1TB for the SSD.

no, those 1TB NVNEs are where I draw the line. Just to expensive for an anyways pretty unreasonable piece of hardware. also the 32GB. damn

but at least I waited/saved long and hard. still rocing a phenom II X4 905e (i was stupid bac then) with 4 gigs of ram, 320GB hdd, 120GB SSD(sata2!) and a radeon hf 7770.

Its about time. Still undecided about the PSU though. I want silence and stable voltages, 600W should be enough. Have budgeted 100 Euros. welp, gonna ask in the hardware.OT anyways,

 

[dhlt25]

does anyone know if it's possible to adapt a corsair water cooler for the 2500k to the AM4 socket? Kinda a waste to throw away a perfectly functioning cooler like that

 

[·feist·]

The Ryzen OT will have a section covering which manufacturers have already announced AM4 support, with links to their pages wherever possible.

does anyone know if it's possible to adapt a corsair water cooler for the 2500k to the AM4 socket? Kinda a waste to throw away a perfectly functioning cooler like that

Corsair have sourced their AIOs from multiple OEMs and had different mounting mechanism revisions, so it depends on the cooler, really.

Corsair releases socket AM4 compatibility info (via OC3D)
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cases_cooling/corsair_releases_socket_am4_compatibility_info/1

Gone to order my bracket for the hyper 212 and... out of stock (uk).

Any other outlets for 'em?

Not sure which vendor you're using, but Cooler Master has it listed via their CM-EU store:

AMD AM4 Upgrade kit (RR-ACCY-AM4B-R1)
http://www.cmstore.eu/cooling/amd-am4-upgrade-kit-rr-accy-am4b-r1

Alternatively:
We are ready for your AM4 socket
http://www.coolermaster.com/we-are-ready-for-your-am4-socket/

I wonder if Cryorig will do a similar deal for the R1 I've got.

CRYORIG Provides Free AM4 Update Kit
http://www.cryorig.com/news.php?id=67

 

[Nostremitus]

does anyone know if it's possible to adapt a corsair water cooler for the 2500k to the AM4 socket? Kinda a waste to throw away a perfectly functioning cooler like that

I guess you could try it with the AMD bracket.

My understanding is the screw placement is the same, but the chip sits taller on the new board. So tightening down all the way could put too much pressure on the board and CPU.

But... I don't remember where I read that...

Edit: -Feist- doing good things.

 

[PFD]

When will the OT go up?

 

[Nostremitus]

When will the OT go up?

I'd guess once we have actual benchmarks.

 

[nubbe]

I'd guess once we have actual benchmarks.

Hope so, because it will be the first question in the thread.

Can it run Crysis?

 

[AnythingBut]

Not sure which vendor you're using, but Cooler Master has it listed via their CM-EU store.

EU store was the one I checked, shows as unavailable for moi, tho have put it on the wishlist for when it's back in stock.
Will use the time to scout for a equivalent alternative cooler incase I'm kept waiting.

 

[kotodama]

When will the OT go up?

I think there is a rule saying you can't put an OT up 48 hours or so before actual release.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

They have the "SE-AM4" at the end of the name

That's really odd. The one I chose says that it supports AM4, but doesn't have that in the name.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

I'm kind of eyeing the R5 1600X but it's not coming until May or June. The R7's seem like a waste to me with that many cores.

 

[Sectorseven]

Total layman question, but does having 8 cores possibly make for better multi-platform games? Like, since the PS4 has 8 cores, does that mean it would be easier to port to PC, since you could plop in instructions core for core?