Wonder Woman now tracking to have opening on par with other DCEU movies

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Confusing OP. $83 million OW would be a coup for this movie. Well in line with Marvel, of not better than a number their movies, and pretty optimistic considering the stink around this cinematic universe right now.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
Seriously, the "Avengers bump" certainly raised all tides, but it didn't automatically turn the next few origin films (including Guardians) into billion dollar properties.

If WW is good, the sequel will have raised expectations, but expecting more than $700 million for the first film for a character ever is ridiculous on any timescale. Fucking Logan is barely gonna break $600 million.
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This is a reasonable take.
 
I don't like the sound of this. I'm not that keen on Wonder Woman or the DCEU but I want the movie to be good and do well so that there's finally a good DCEU movie and a successful solo female-lead superhero movie. Hopefully the movie is good so that WoM can give it a boost and solid legs after the opening weekend/week 1.
 
Razgriz-Specter said:
All those characters besides Black Canary and Flash are low grade...
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I think a Supergirl movie could have been quite an event, especially if it had a more fun, light-hearted tone in parallel to Man of Steel's grimdark seriousness.

But now that Supergirl is already having weekly adventures on TV, that prospect will not really be as interesting to people.
 
Mushroomer25 said:
Suicide Squad made money, but was it genuinely well received by audiences? It made money because of a really savvy marketing campaign, which interlaced strongly with youth markets. The character design, soundtrack, and trailer work are why SS was a modest hit.

Wonder Woman has none of that working in its favor.
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BvS was not generally well received, and yet SS made money (and lots of it). That's my point.

This early on, it's hard to tell what WW does or doesn't have in it's favor the way we do, with the benefit of hindsight, for Suicide Squad.

I mean, Wolverine Origins happened and people still went and saw The Wolverine and Logan. People's memories are short.
 
border said:
I think a Supergirl movie could have been quite an event, especially if it had a more fun, light-hearted tone in parallel to Man of Steel's grimdark seriousness.

But now that Supergirl is already having weekly adventures on TV, that prospect will not really be as interesting to people.
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Supergirl is honestly too derivative/similar for her own movie at least for the first few phases.
Nightwing and Batgirl are a bit of a similar case however they have directions they can easily go and be unique from each other and a Batman movie.
Though we are extremely lucky that those 2 are happening.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
BvS was not generally well received, and yet SS made money (and lots of it). That's my point.

This early on, it's hard to tell what WW does or doesn't have in it's favor the way we do, with the benefit of hindsight, for Suicide Squad.

I mean, Wolverine Origins happened and people still went and saw The Wolverine and Logan. People's memories are short.
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You're ignoring that between Origins and Wolverine/Logan were multiple well received X-men films (First Class/Days of Future Past) that redeemed the brand in the public consciousness. As well as multiple years of separation. We're just over a year separated from BvS, and I'm still doubtful if SS provided them any bump (It made money, but WW is as close to the opposite side of the DCEU from it as you could get.).

I just don't see WW replicating SS's improbable profits. But a lot of this is too soon to call, anyways. Tracking closer to release is going to tell a lot.
 
broncobuster said:
BvS? Not so much. Suicide Squad? Inexplicably, yes. To say nothing of how much was made off merch, music, and other avenues. Suicide Squad was some cursed monkey paw nonsense.
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Seriously though. And we still have no idea how much SS has made from merchandising. Halloween numbers alone were probably HUGE.
 
Mushroomer25 said:
Suicide Squad made money, but was it genuinely well received by audiences? It made money because of a really savvy marketing campaign, which interlaced strongly with youth markets. The character design, soundtrack, and trailer work are why SS was a modest hit.

Wonder Woman has none of that working in its favor.
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By general audiences yes, the movie was well received. On GAF and by reviewers, the movie was panned. Pretty much word of mouth saved this movie because RT should've killed it.
 
Mushroomer25 said:
You're ignoring that between Origins and Wolverine/Logan were multiple well received X-men films (First Class/Days of Future Past) that redeemed the brand in the public consciousness. As well as multiple years of separation. We're just over a year separated from BvS, and I'm still doubtful if SS provided them any bump (It made money, but WW is as close to the opposite side of the DCEU from it as you could get.).

I just don't see WW replicating SS's improbable profits. But a lot of this is too soon to call, anyways. Tracking closer to release is going to tell a lot.
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WW probably won't do SS numbers but 83 million OW isn't bad by any stretch. It's well in line with other movies of the same genre.

And while I do think goodwill matters I think it's vastly overstated at times.

BvS didn't stop people from going to see SS. It's doesn't seem like it's having an negative impact on WW and it won't stop people from turning out this November to go see JL
 
Mushroomer25 said:
You're ignoring that between Origins and Wolverine/Logan were multiple well received X-men films (First Class/Days of Future Past) that redeemed the brand in the public consciousness. As well as multiple years of separation. We're just over a year separated from BvS, and I'm still doubtful if SS provided them any bump (It made money, but WW is as close to the opposite side of the DCEU from it as you could get.).

I just don't see WW replicating SS's improbable profits. But a lot of this is too soon to call, anyways. Tracking closer to release is going to tell a lot.
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So it's almost as if people will watch movies that look good, or that they hear are good, regardless of prior movies that take place in the same extended universe? Which is the only point I'm making.

BvS was poorly received, so much so that it spawned a meme, and yet, people still viewed SS on it's own merits, said "Hey this movie looks cool because of marketing/music/whaterver" and went out and watched it anyway.
 
El Topo said:
That would be a great result, all things considered.



I just want the movie to be successful. I mean, I want it to be good as well, but if I can't have that, the least I can hope for is financial success.
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Why would you want a bad movie to be successful? So they can make more bad movies ala transformers?
 
Instro said:
Confusing OP. $83 million OW would be a coup for this movie. Well in line with Marvel, of not better than a number their movies, and pretty optimistic considering the stink around this cinematic universe right now.
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Boke1879 said:
So an 83 million OW is bad for this?
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Yeah I don't get how that would be bad. Every DCCU movie (MoS, BvS and SS) had over $100m ow so that wasn't a fair comparison for WW. This should be compared to the Thor and CA opening weekends.
 
Mushroomer25 said:
You're ignoring that between Origins and Wolverine/Logan were multiple well received X-men films (First Class/Days of Future Past) that redeemed the brand in the public consciousness. As well as multiple years of separation. We're just over a year separated from BvS, and I'm still doubtful if SS provided them any bump (It made money, but WW is as close to the opposite side of the DCEU from it as you could get.).

I just don't see WW replicating SS's improbable profits. But a lot of this is too soon to call, anyways. Tracking closer to release is going to tell a lot.
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It doesn't have to.

And Logan came out after Apocalypse (which most considered to be, if not a fucking wreck, than nowhere near as good as the X-Movies that came directly before it).
 
Ninja Scooter said:
BvS was poorly received, so much so that it spawned a meme, and yet, people still viewed SS on it's own merits, said "Hey this movie looks cool because of marketing/music/whaterver" and went out and watched it anyway.
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Wonder Woman has a bit more of BvS's stink all over it, just because people got such a boring and unsatisfying introduction to Diana in BvS. It's a lot easier for people to separate Suicide Squad from BvS.

I feel like BvS basically left you wanting to see more from the Gotham characters, and less from characters in the larger DC universe. That was to Suicide Squad's benefit since they were leaning so heavy on Joker and Harley.
 
shira said:
estimated 100M

SS 175M
DOJ 250M
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Not a chance in hell the budget is that low; isn't the "source" for that figure Jenkins saying something like "I'm the first woman to direct a hundred-million-dollar film?" It strikes me as pretty obvious that she was merely referring to the general nine-figure budgets of big franchise films and didn't mean it literally.
 
I mean, it would make sense for it to make less money than a Superman movie and a movie where Batman and Superman fight. But god damn it'd be sad if it didn't make more than Suicide Squad.

Especially because it looks to be the most interesting one of the four.
 
Father_Brain said:
Not a chance in hell the budget is that low; isn't the "source" for that figure Jenkins saying something like "I'm the first woman to direct a hundred-million-dollar film?" It strikes me as pretty obvious that she was merely referring to the general nine-figure budgets of big franchise films and didn't mean it literally.
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I mean...the film doesn't really look that expensive so far from the trailers and they aren't exactly going balls to the wall with marketing for it.
 
Yeah, no shit. I'm surprised this wasn't obvious to every single person interested in this lol. I'd be surprised (pleasantly) if it made over $200 million domestic.
 
Father_Brain said:
Not a chance in hell the budget is that low; isn't the "source" for that figure Jenkins saying something like "I'm the first woman to direct a hundred-million-dollar film?" It strikes me as pretty obvious that she was merely referring to the general nine-figure budgets of big franchise films and didn't mean it literally.
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Estimates seem to be $100-$120 million. Not sure where that's coming from but that's in these articles about tracking and on the wiki page.

Even if this opened at $60m it should make good money WW at least.
 
Frozenprince said:
Wonder Woman is already a brand in and of herself.
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"Brand" is an unintentionally apt choice of words. She's popular as a symbol of female empowerment, a costume, a logo, or a name. She is not, however, popular as an actual character, at least to anything close to the extent that Superman and Batman are.

Anyway, I really don't think an $83m opening for this would be bad, especially given the quality of the last two films in this universe.
 
border said:
Wonder Woman has a bit more of BvS's stink all over it, just because people got such a boring and unsatisfying introduction to Diana in BvS. It's a lot easier for people to separate Suicide Squad from BvS.

I feel like BvS basically left you wanting to see more from the Gotham characters, and less from characters in the larger DC universe. That was to Suicide Squad's benefit since they were leaning so heavy on Joker and Harley.
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Eh there's no evidence of this at all. I'd say based on reaction around the net and from the people in the theaters i went to. People were more than satisfied with her entrance.

But again I'm wondering in what work an 83 million OW is bad what BVS stink has to do with that.
 
Not surprising if this happens. She ain't Batman or Superman and DCEU movies have been eh at best. I just want the movie to be good or at least okay.
 
Even a Single person on this planet doesn't know when tickets gonna open, buying a ticket is another thing, and some INTELLECTUAL BO dudes already know how much $$$ gonna come in smh
 
Not often I say this, but I could literally have done a better job with the DCEU then Snyder has.

Like he has to be trying for it to be this bad
 
Sorry but you couldn't pay me to see another DCEU film.

It sucks that its lessened performance will be blamed on the female lead though.
 
The good sign for female superheros anchoring films is Harley Quinn was basically the star of Suicide Squad. Some feminists complained she was too sexualized but bottom line is she's probably the most popular female superhero on the market right now...even amongst females.
 
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