Yeah, because of responses just like this one.
It's worth discussing, since there are post-mortems coming out that pin a large percentage of the deflection based on the economy.
One person ran on only that, one didn't.
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Yeah, because of responses just like this one.
It's worth discussing, since there are post-mortems coming out that pin a large percentage of the deflection based on the economy.
One person ran on only that, one didn't.
It can be both!
Why would any smart blue collar american listen to the biased fake news media?
2Smashed4U
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Meh I don't know about this anymore. Hillary got more votes than Obama did in 2008 actually, but does anyone think she would've had the historic margin of victory he did over McCain?
People are hurting. Wages stagnant in real terms. Housing and schooling costs going up a ton. Some areas of the US seeing basically no gains. It's not hard to see why people opted out of a continuation, even if the new option is batshit crazy.
EatinOlives
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I genuinely hope Democrats bring something to the table in 2020 other than "return dignity to the White House!"
This shows just how atrociously bad Democrats are at branding, when Republicans manage to brand them as being for the 1%.
Neanderthals had bigger brains.
Neanderthals had bigger brains.
Honestly, this is probably it.
RPGCrazied
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His falling approval rate seems to indicate it.
Well, if their situation doesn't improve? Probably.
If people are fickle enough to go from voting for Obama to voting for Trump, I would assume anything is possible.
I talked to my dad, a staunch conservative, about this a few weeks ago... He had no idea. After he found out what it was, even he was mystified. People really have no clue. And he's well-informed and can't stand Trump. It's just something conservatives never discuss.
They actually might if they're being honest as to why they turned on Obama.
Psychoward
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It was both!
Any time Donald brought up the economy the entire DNC laughed at him and tried to show his true face, whether that was bankruptcies, stiffing contract workers, inheriting a 15 million loan which doesn't take into account today's inflation, using chinese steel, failing to disclose his tax returns, and lying about every single one of those topics. This was in addition to yes, providing her own economic policies. And it didn't fucking work. Because people. Are. Dumb.
And Dems could do almost nothing because these same people (the american electorate in general) voted in the Tea Party in '10.
2Smashed4U
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Yep, but she played his game and made her message about Trump. She didn't offer enough of her own solutions at the end of the day, beyond the fact that she wasn't Trump.
Lord Frieza
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It's so worth discussing, apparently, we haven't stopped discussing it since the primaries. If you really didn't want to 'bring it up from the dead,' you should have just omitted the Bernie stuff and focused on the flaws of the Clinton campaign in this regard.
Version 3.0
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Looks like the Republicans' plan of accusing the Democrats of everything that they (the GOP) actually stand for, while simultaneously yelling "freedom" every 30 seconds, is working pretty well.
JordanN
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I seriously believe Democracy needs a set of standards when it comes to voting.
It's always been too dangerous when you let people vote for any reason or refuse to do any fact checking before hand.
Just like how you have to pass a test or meet a certain requirement to apply for a job, voting needs similar regulations.
It's always been too dangerous when you let people vote for any reason or refuse to do any fact checking before hand.
Just like how you have to pass a test or meet a certain requirement to apply for a job, voting needs similar regulations.
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They didn't, because this article is discussing people who voted people for Obama in 2012, and I think the fraction of people who went Tea Party '10 -> Obama '12 -> Trump '16 is probably only slightly more than the collective IQ of the Tea Party, but you've never been one to let a good fact get in your way.
2Smashed4U
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That's how you end up with "literacy tests" and suppressing the shit out of voting rights for minorities in this country.
Flying Toaster
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Take this and include becoming a parent. The world would become a lot better place in a few decades. Of course the counter argument and rightfully so is literacy tests that were used as voter suppression.
FML the entire voter suppression thing really gets me pisssed.
Lord Frieza
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Yeah, as nice as that sounds in fantasy land, that would be terrible on almost every level in reality.
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This shit better mean that whatever candidates they are getting is very, very pro labor. But this:
Is the message they'll probably run with. The idiots.
Fuck no, then it'll be used as a tool to disenfranchise even more minority groups. It's already happen, and less than a century ago.
Is the message they'll probably run with. The idiots.
Fuck no, then it'll be used as a tool to disenfranchise even more minority groups. It's already happen, and less than a century ago.
I edited to make it clear I meant the electorate in general w/ that statement, I'm aware of the difference.
The american electorate being reactionary is nothing new.
I hear you, but no. Republicans are already trying their hardest to make/keep the general voting public as dumb as possible. Don't help them accelerate their efforts.
Yes, yes... Why would I compare the failed democratic nominee to her opponent, who ran solely on the struggles of working class Americans and co-opted the outcry against the '1%'?
You're right. Totally nonsensical.
2Smashed4U
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I'm aware, I watched it. But that was a very small part of her message overall. Everything else was largely based on Trump.
yanipheonu
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There is the sobering reminder that some people and families really are desperate enough to think literally anything than the status quo looked appealling to them.
Of course, Trump isn't exactly going help.
Of course, Trump isn't exactly going help.
Yoda
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Kind of like voter ID to stop all that rampant fraudulent voting? Be careful what you wish for, I'd abstain from giving the government a power you wouldn't want someone on the opposite side of the political aisle from having.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Co-opted, and turned the fervor against a fellow Democrat.
Then stayed in the race for weeks (months?) after it was impossible for him to win, still pushing the SAME MESSAGE.
Oh wait, is he a Democrat?
JordanN
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Why does it have to target minorities? I think a test that determines whether you're a sensible adult would do more good to weed out the stupid & hateful people.
Our politicians would only use this to discriminate against people.
Absolutely not. It's immoral to disenfranchise people from voting.
If you want people to be better educated before voting, focus on public education.
Hillary's loss - still Bernie's fault. Sure guy.
2Smashed4U
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You know those things don't happen explicitly in writing, right?
Like the better Clinton campaign says: It's the economy, stupid.
Hey fellow Dems. Next time let's not run a candidate with alltime deplorable ratings + has the FBI on her ass until the very end of a campaign. Let's vote for someone that will work at least half as hard/smart as Obama did in the battleground states, instead of flying home every night like Sec. Clinton. Would've and should've won against the goddamn billionaire birther/rookie
And on top of that Trump actually showed up on the trail (rallies) and like you said dominated all forms of media. Hillary and Dems were no-shows and even gave up on traditional campaign advertising for moneyball bullshit, they made history for the wrong reasons like skipping WI. Dems got mixed messaging and no presence, bad mix
Hey fellow Dems. Next time let's not run a candidate with alltime deplorable ratings + has the FBI on her ass until the very end of a campaign. Let's vote for someone that will work at least half as hard/smart as Obama did in the battleground states, instead of flying home every night like Sec. Clinton. Would've and should've won against the goddamn billionaire birther/rookie
And on top of that Trump actually showed up on the trail (rallies) and like you said dominated all forms of media. Hillary and Dems were no-shows and even gave up on traditional campaign advertising for moneyball bullshit, they made history for the wrong reasons like skipping WI. Dems got mixed messaging and no presence, bad mix
Lord Frieza
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It is when it's not what the topic is really about, and it's obviously just a way to start up the tired old primary discussion to pound your chest for Bernie, but most didn't take your bait thankfully, so just go on about your business
Psychoward
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Maybe because if you're trying to reach the white working class nominating an old, jewish, self-described socialist from the Northeast isn't the best way to do it, especially if he can't even win his own party over?
I wasn't referring to a single speech, there are plenty of links in there.
And still, if your argument is "hey these guy's economicpolicies are fucking awful because x and y, instead I'm going to do z to help the economy" that's still focusing on economics.
The Technomancer
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It will end up as a way to fuck over minorities. Every time
Some people wanted to send a message by not supporting the status quo, I just hope others hear it over the sound of their superior intellects.
Byakuya769
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These voters have a disdain for the coastal elite. The professional class is generally full of people who think they're smarter than them because they have a fancy degree. However, they are infatuated with people who hold most of the capital. Those owners are all self-made.
tldr:
Labor that receives high-income - elite, arrogant, snobs
Owners that profit off of capital rather than labor - smart, self-made, the american dream.
Sports are a microcosm of the same dynamic. Overpaid, greedy athlete and the gracious, publicly subsidized, owner.
tldr:
Labor that receives high-income - elite, arrogant, snobs
Owners that profit off of capital rather than labor - smart, self-made, the american dream.
Sports are a microcosm of the same dynamic. Overpaid, greedy athlete and the gracious, publicly subsidized, owner.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Good job making up words I did not say.
I mean yeah, but there's poor messaging and then there's an inability to perceive reality.