"The Last Night" (Milkshake Duck incarnate) E3 Trailer [XBO/Win10/Steam 2018]
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I wish I had of soundboard of Austin Walker's "hmm"
He can make anything he likes, based on whatever perspective he holds. And everyone maintains the right to tell him to fuck off for his shitty perspective and refuse to give his game the time of day.
DirtyManos
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1) What do you think is being done here?
2) What? Are you suggesting that someone else should make a counter-game about how feminism doesn't result in a future dystopia?
Psychoward
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ok sorry, I meant Chinatown wasn't promoting child rape
nhlducks35
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...have you guys even seen Chinatown?
I just feel like the work should get to speak for itself. Authorial intent is overrated.
brianmcdoogle
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You're absolutely right, but other art forms allow for people to heavily criticize said beliefs, whereas in the world of video games, people get really defensive and surround the wagons behind terrible people when criticism gets leveled. It's why a lot of GamerGate happened in-part because someone dared to make a video game series outlining the awful things in video games with a very basic critical eye, and people flipped out.
This selective "games are art and should be treated as art except when they are criticized for being misogyny, sexist, racist, or whatever" is a major problem. And, I don't think many people in this thread are saying the game shouldn't exist at all. It's just a lot don't want to financially support terrible viewpoints and have them spread even farther.
And, personally, it's also a bit frustrating to keep seeing some people use the "separate the art from the artist" as an excuse to financially contribute to hateful viewpoints and simultaneously abandon all responsibility for doing so.
Exactly the issue here, it's not a partisan issue. This a game designed by a person with a certain world view. It's his game.
You're not obligated to support it in any type of way. You can ignore it, you can tell your friends not to purchase it. My only argument is that regardless if there are people that find the concept or premise offensive, the game exists because of personal expression. Video games are the creative medium.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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The game will still be available to buy if you want it.
I guess that's a fair point. Call me a pessimist; my implicit assumption is that I'm probably financially contributing to hateful viewpoints either way. The only difference is whether I'm conscious of it when I slap down my woolongs.
It is a video game that exists/will exist. Yes you are right. I don't understand your point
SaiyanRaoh
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Sorry guys, Guess I have no ethics and I'm probably part of the problem. But I'm not passing up a game like this because of an (fucked up) opinion. It's rare to see games like this these days without Co-op or multiplayer crammed down my throat. And a cyberpunk adventure at that! I know we know nothing about this game but I don't feel the "social" stench we are getting in games these days with this one.
Oh man, and I was looking forward to a new cyberpunk game
Fuck this dude and his views.
Cyberpunk 2077 will eventually happen. If you haven't checked out 2064: Read Only Memories, give it a go. It's pretty much the polar opposite of whatever terrible screed Last Night turns into
hardcastlemccormick
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Personally not interested in a creative product a gamer gator would make. Complete lack of interest.
Good premise though. Too bad.
Good premise though. Too bad.
Okay I was distracted by all the pretty pixel art happening and just assumed without thinking too hard about it that he was a rando bad guy in this Another World adventure -
maybe a Corrupt Mob Boss who was profiting off of the bad sort of dystopian happenings or something equally trope-y.
I was definitely projecting onto this game before finding out the lead developer was involved in Gamergate and was planning to write about some unfortunate themes. Look at those AESTHETICS, the game must clearly be focused on environmental storytelling that aligns with my own beliefs!
[and then milkshake duck]
Other thing I've noticed after paying closer attention to the plot outline: if AI have owned humanity so hard we don't really want to make things any more, what is the delimiter for social classes in a post-scarcity world? Maybe it could have been something poignant about how racism persists even after economic anxiety is eliminated because of tribalistic roots, and how humanity can work to overcome our beginnings? But now I'm just expecting another trite take, like something about ideological conformity.
If said opinion informs the plot at the center of the game then it gets a bit difficult to ignore.
The one thing I'm hopeful of is that those old tweets are outdated and that the focus of the game has shifted dramatically away from all that nonsense.
It just keeps getting better.
Who the heck is Vivian James?
Vivian James is the fictional everywoman of gaming. She wears a striped hoodie and drinks Mountain Dew Throwback. Her name is a play on vidya games. Shes a regular person who wears jeans and spends too much time on the internet. And she was created out of spite by the historically anti-feminist gamers of 4chan.
O...M...G...
That's enough Internet for tonite, lol.
He updated his twitter:
Hopefully he can explain himself somewhere that gives him more words to do so.
...what took him so long?
Clearly he's not a GAFer.
Admiral Woofington
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He updated his twitter:
Hopefully he can explain himself somewhere that gives him more words to do so.
well at the very least people who are willing to support him if the game doesn't involve the topic have an out.
He updated his twitter:
Hopefully he can explain himself somewhere that gives him more words to do so.
Interesting.
So this started as the original concept people have been (rightly) mocking but the project has done a 180 since then? Cool if so.
He updated his twitter:
Hopefully he can explain himself somewhere that gives him more words to do so.
He's going to have to spell this out for us in great detail, since he's had over 2 years to pull back this curtain and decided not to until his allegedly-past views were found out. Never mind that the people who surround him, like his lead writer, have very recently seemed to take a dismissive stance on people's concerns over the proposed content.
PR intervention? Damage control seems to be on full blast here. lol
Do you actually believe that?
Marmaladefire
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Talking to his lawyer
He updated his twitter:
Hopefully he can explain himself somewhere that gives him more words to do so.
Presumably, when he says "a lot of things changed over the years", he means "in the last two months, since that Bill Nye tweet".
Yep
brianmcdoogle
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Bill Nye tweet?
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
He updated his twitter:
Hopefully he can explain himself somewhere that gives him more words to do so.
We'll see.
MrFrankFontaine
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Yup, thought the same thing. Looks great.
What? People are not required to announce any changes in their political beliefs.
Scrooge McDuck
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It being a cyberpunk adventure makes it worse, because adventure games are generally plot-centric and the cyberpunk genre is by nature social commentaries.
I think they're alluding to the fact that there were 3 hours between the first point and the second point.
macfoshizzle
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Why r u guys so uptight about what the dev said? Who cares what his belief are, as long as the game is great, that's all it matters
He updated his twitter:
Hopefully he can explain himself somewhere that gives him more words to do so.
I meant from tweet 1 to tweet 2.
And, specifically, the context there is that the alt-right was in a fuss because in Nye's new show, he says that gender is a spectrum.
How dare we be subjected to an author whose worldview aligneth not with our own.
Come on.
Zomba13
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Well this is a slap in the face. The game looked cool (and has done for a while) but I never knew about the developer and his views and how they would be incorporated into the game.
I mean, I'm all for trying to separate the art from the artist but with me a lot of that happens when I like and enjoy a thing before knowing about the creator of the thing being bad so finding out now sucks. Though if his views are shown through the game then I guess it would be obvious playing it and mentioned in reviews and previews closer to release so it was best to rip this band-aid off sooner than later.
I really doubt the whole "a lot has changed" when people only seem to be finding evidence of his bad views and not any of him actually having changed.
I mean, I'm all for trying to separate the art from the artist but with me a lot of that happens when I like and enjoy a thing before knowing about the creator of the thing being bad so finding out now sucks. Though if his views are shown through the game then I guess it would be obvious playing it and mentioned in reviews and previews closer to release so it was best to rip this band-aid off sooner than later.
I really doubt the whole "a lot has changed" when people only seem to be finding evidence of his bad views and not any of him actually having changed.
Context for non-Americans? Google image shows that he's a politician.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
He posted number 1 3 hrs ago
A regressive world view is pretty at ends with cyberpunk's whole thing
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