Vice News: Extremism Experts Are Starting to Worry About the Left

If the state and socio-economic system wasn't oppressive and exploitative, they wouldn't have anything to worry about from the left.



Oh how awful, antifascists and people learning to protect themselves and other people at risk.

We're part of the reason it's that way. The Dems and their base need to start getting serious every two years, otherwise the GOP will just keep winning until the baby boomers die off.
 
is this like when the teachers do nothing when the kid complains and when the kid finally defends himself, they suspend the kid and the bully?

both sides etc.
 
Lol @ leftist extremism in a country that doesn't even have a left. Meanwhile we have a proto-fascist in the white house, racist police, right wing militias that are armed to the teeth and emboldened white nationalists that murder people--and that shit all "normal". Maybe the agitation from left leaning people, is just the logical conclusion to all this structural and physical violence they have to deal with? Just a thought.
 
Question out of curiosity.

Extreme Right seems to fight to oppress anyone not of the right skin color, religion, nationality, sexuality, gender etc. Racists, Nazis, Fascists etc.

What is the Extreme Left fighting for exactly? What is "extreme left" views?

In an Extreme Left society, everyone is forced to consume kale smoothies and live in a tree.
 
Question out of curiosity.

Extreme Right seems to fight to oppress anyone not of the right skin color, religion, nationality, sexuality, gender etc. Racists, Nazis, Fascists etc.

Wanting to oppress black and brown people, Muslims, women, and LGBT people isn't an extreme right-wing position in this country, it's a standard feature of American conservatism.
 
Question out of curiosity.

Extreme Right seems to fight to oppress anyone not of the right skin color, religion, nationality, sexuality, gender etc. Racists, Nazis, Fascists etc.

What is the Extreme Left fighting for exactly? What is "extreme left" views?

The far left is against all forms of oppression or exploitation, so we are anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobic, and so forth and especially anticapitalist and antifascist.

Typically we are socialists, communists, and/or anarchists.
 
Question out of curiosity.

Extreme Right seems to fight to oppress anyone not of the right skin color, religion, nationality, sexuality, gender etc. Racists, Nazis, Fascists etc.

What is the Extreme Left fighting for exactly? What is "extreme left" views?
I would guess they are against freedom of speech.
 
You can't be a left wing fascist (the closest thing to that would be Strasserism). You can be an awful violent left wing person due to dogmatic Marxism-Leninism or Maoism or what have you, but these have different philosophical bases and goals than fascism.

The left in the US is not doing anything fascistic.

Go with authoritarianism, thought crime, anti-free speech...at the end of the day they look like the same thing when it comes to freedom of thought and dissent

yeah guys, let's just hear these white nationalists out

Where the fuck did you get that out of what I was saying? Is Bernie-voting Bret Weinstein a white nationalist? Is Jordan Peterson? Nicholas Christakis? These guys have been vilified and threatened over daring to push back/dissent against hard leftism. Those tactics are unacceptable, period.
 
Dude who did the attack most likely was one of those who went to a Trump rally and cheered Bernie and threw punches when people told them to leave, we saw that shitt happen last year.
Political hooligans
 
The strangest hypocrisy in America is condemning antifa and other leftist extremists for political violence while doing anything other than calling for completely dismantling the United States military, the largest and most destructive for of political violence in history.

I'm glad more and more people on the left are standing up.

I'm sorry....are you ACTUALLY suggesting that the US Military should be COMPLETELY DISMANTLED?

Please tell me this is some joke post.
 
Question out of curiosity.

Extreme Right seems to fight to oppress anyone not of the right skin color, religion, nationality, sexuality, gender etc. Racists, Nazis, Fascists etc.

What is the Extreme Left fighting for exactly? What is "extreme left" views?

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Go with authoritarianism, thought crime, anti-free speech...at the end of the day they look like the same thing when it comes to freedom of thought and dissent.

The problem is that the concept of "freedom for all" and the absence of all the other things you mentioned have only ever been available for white men. That's why they alone are more likely to lean so hard to the center.
 
Dude who did the attack most likely was one of those who went to a Trump rally and cheered Bernie and threw punches when people told them to leave, we saw that shitt happen last year.
Political hooligans

I love how you Trump fans are now trying to claim that everyone who protested Trump rallies are EXACTLY like the Scalise shooter.

Like, way to prove you are desperate to deflect the fact that your own side has the bigger tendency for violence.

The far left is against all forms of oppression or exploitation, so we are anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobic, and so forth and especially anticapitalist and antifascist.

Typically we are socialists, communists, and/or anarchists.

I hate to start thia debate, but if you are going to outright define the far-left as the communists, then I wouldn't quite say that they are always antifascist.

Jill Stein is very far left, yet she constantly defends Vladimir Putin. Her running mate referred to Obama as an "Uncle Tom President". Her party argued that Hillary would be worse for this country than Trump.
 
Go with authoritarianism, thought crime, anti-free speech...at the end of the day they look like the same thing when it comes to freedom of thought and dissent

hiding hate & white supremacy under the guise of free speech doesn't make one anything but foolish - not every ignorant notion is due a platform. this is neither authoritarian nor complicated.

Where the fuck did you get that out of what I was saying? Is Bernie-voting Bret Weinstein a white nationalist? Is Jordan Peterson? Nicholas Christakis?

no, but they're apologists for such, so it's not surprising they've been under fire for that shit.

The problem is that the concept of "freedom for all" and the absence of all the other things you mentioned have only ever been available for white men. That's why they alone are more likely to lean so hard to the center.

ding ding ding
the privilege on display with the "the REAL problem is some college campuses!!" mess is staggering, unless you're tucker carlson I imagine
 
I would guess they are against freedom of speech.

We're against hate speech, which then gets slippery slope'd into us being against free speech, don't get it twisted, there are many countries with reasonable hate speech laws.


Well, they do try to ban criticizing islam.

You can criticize Islam all you want, what we have a problem with is generalizing Muslim people as blood thirsty barbarians who shouldn't be welcome into the Western world or any variation of that, and sadly most of the Anti-Islam criticism turns into that.
 
I would guess they are against freedom of speech.

Given how the Right are pressing hard to label anybody that tells the truth a fake, dishonest person, and given that for a long time, censorship has been headed by those with Conservative, Christian values (the committee of "I know what's best for America, and will decide what CAN be and what CAN'T be" in movies, television, comics, and so on), I'd think THEY are the ones that are MORE against Freedom of Speech. Who are the ones that get angry the most when a flag is burned ( saying the burner should be killed because the the desecration of a most holy, national symbol), or someone doesn't stand up during the Nation Anthem out of protest? It ain't a majority of Liberals/Left-leaners, that's for sure.
 
I'm sorry....are you ACTUALLY suggesting that the US Military should be COMPLETELY DISMANTLED?

The US military has committed countless war crimes and was involved in dozens of imperialist wars and interventions leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths and widespread destruction. Any liberal even slightly cheering for this disgusting organization, which are usually fauxgressive Clinton-Centrists, is full of shit and a hypocrit of the highest order.

Cue the "but the others are even worse so we need our military we are still the better ones right?!" argument.
 
Isn't that a thing already in Canada and the UK?

is it? you're making claims. show me. show me where Democrats try to outlaw speech. and sorry if I focus on US liberals. Just where my mind goes as I'm in the US and need to see receipts of it happening here.
 
is this like when the teachers do nothing when the kid complains and when the kid finally defends himself, they suspend the kid and the bully?

both sides etc.

Back in elementary school I was the only one who got suspended in a fight with a bully. Granted, I smashed a desk cover over his head when he wasn't looking, but nobody else was doing anything about him and he did stop fucking with me and pretty much everyone else after that, so yeah.

Also, I'm not sure there is an extreme left.
 
Wanting to oppress black and brown people, Muslims, women, and LGBT people isn't an extreme right-wing position in this country, it's a standard feature of American conservatism.
Here in Europe this stuff is more commonly associated with far right groups. :P
High taxes for the rich. Health care for everyone. Maternity leave and paternity leave for new parents. Government has oversight over corporations. Don't oppress minorities.

In an Extreme Left society, everyone is forced to consume kale smoothies and live in a tree.

The far left is against all forms of oppression or exploitation, so we are anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobic, and so forth and especially anticapitalist and antifascist.

Typically we are socialists, communists, and/or anarchists.

I would guess they are against freedom of speech.
So far, none of this sounds that bad really, pretty agreeable overall.
Except this stuff:
Tankies. Capitalism is murder, we must abolish it. Stalin did nothing wrong. Communism is the only answer. Assad didn't actually gas his people it's just imperialist propaganda trying to defame communism. (I've had people say these to me, and there are crazy left wing conspiracy sites that push these).
"Stalin did nothing wrong"? That is basically holocaust denial bad.
I have no idea who this is. :P
 
This isn't "extremism", this is a reaction to the rising tide of fascism and white supremacy on the right.

Absolutely.

Any articles that describes Antifa orgs as extremists are playing into a far-right narrative. No left-wing organizations in the US commit unprovoked violence. Even their most questionably actions are attempts at state resistance or community self-defence.

The gleeful cosigning of alt-right rhetoric about Antifa by so many liberals, Vice included, is really distressing.
 
American politics are so intensely hyperpolarized. I wonder how it'll ever "cool down".

Methinks the only way it could happen is if a 3rd party actually managed to gather a strong pressence and following as to actually be a viable option.

Chances of that happening are extremely slim tho.
 
hiding hate & white supremacy under the guise of free speech doesn't make one anything but foolish - not every ignorant notion is due a platform. this is neither authoritarian nor complicated.



no, but they're apologists for such, so it's not surprising they've been under fire for that shit.

This is a very strange definition of "apologists", given Bret Weinstein's crime was an objection to a change in the structure of a protest and a bureaucratic objection to the mechanisms of an equity council, and Christakis's crime was defending his wife when she sent out an email suggesting that it's not necessary for a university to formally discourage or ban stereotype Halloween costumes by its students.
 
The USA are a country where Bernie Sanders, a run of the mill Social Democrat who still is too full of American exceptionalism, is considered "far left" and a "socialist".
 
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