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[Emwitus]

This is one of the ugliest threads I've seen in the history of this website. Some of you really need to check yourselves. Damn.

It sure is. Lack of empathy is not reserved for the left or right.

 

[jay]

Why do we need a thread with 25 pages of people saying "I don't feel empathy towards this person". Why can't this just be a 2 page thread for the few people who do want to wish him the best. What is this urge everyone has to come into a sad thread and say "I don't care." If you didn't care, then there'd be no reason to comment.

Ugh. I wish the man the best of luck. I know we have our political differences, but most everything I've heard about his character has shown him to have good intentions even if I don't agree with the path. That's all I ever ask for from others.

Why is one the correct opinion a thread should be about the the other something relegated to silence?

 

[PaulExcellent]

The lack of empathy in his thread is outstanding.

Remember the "he's no angel" defense. Mans sick and needs warm thoughts, no one is perfect.

Forget that nonsense.
Empathy is long gone when you know damn well that if you were in that position, they wouldn't give a damn about you.

Also, lots of new members in this thread. Wonder why. Someone should be looking into that.

 

[Hierophant]

The lack of empathy in his thread is outstanding.

Remember the "he's no angel" defense. Mans sick and needs warm thoughts, no one is perfect.

no one is perfect but also not many people get the opportunity to strip and condemn millions of americans to death by taking their healthcare, stop trying to reduce it to him shoplifting or something

 

[Kill Your Masters]

I agree, those downplaying the concerns of millions who could lose their health insurance because they are worried about the tone of the thread is pretty messed up.

Yeah this bothers me quite a bit.

Apparently you just need a nice suit, talk eloquently, serve the army and you get sympathy. Doesn't matter if your hand raising to decide to go to war or cut health care will let others die and suffer, you still get them feels.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...y-got-married-then-everything-changed-6433344

here is confirmation of it.

Karma's a bitch.

 

[excelsiorlef]

The lack of empathy in his thread is outstanding.

Remember the "he's no angel" defense. Mans sick and needs warm thoughts, no one is perfect.

As if you just compared John McCain to black folk getting gunned down by police for existing.

 

[dripdripsplash]

This is one of the ugliest threads I've seen in the history of this website. Some of you really need to check yourselves. Damn.

Yeah. This is something else.

 

[rjinaz]

The lack of empathy in his thread is outstanding.

Remember the "he's no angel" defense. Mans sick and needs warm thoughts, no one is perfect.

You really want to go there? Get back to me when selling lose cigs or smoking some pot equates to actively working towards taking healthcare away from millions of people.

 

[Hierophant]

if any of you people cape for henry kissinger, george bush or rupert murdoch when they croak i'm pretty sure my veins will pop from how mad i get

 

[rambis]

Why do we need a thread with 25 pages of people saying "I don't feel empathy towards this person". Why can't this just be a 2 page thread for the few people who do want to wish him the best. What is this urge everyone has to come into a sad thread and say "I don't care." If you didn't care, then there'd be no reason to comment.

Ugh. I wish the man the best of luck. I know we have our political differences, but most everything I've heard about his character has shown him to have good intentions even if I don't agree with the path. That's all I ever ask for from others.

People have a weird way of thinking others care about how they feel and start to grand stand about certain things. Its like the person that has to announce they are offended by something. Apparently it gives them some weird high horse to ride on.

 

[Cesare Borgia]

Hope he pulls through. Cancer sucks.

Lots of pathetic posts in here. There seems to be quite an issue with people not being interested in constructive means of "resistance" (you know, like voting or campaigning or community work) who have instead decided being regressive assholes online is easier. I'm no fan of John McCain's politics, but to quote The Dude: you're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole.

 

[Dopus]

if any of you people cape for henry kissinger, george bush or rupert murdoch when they croak i'm pretty sure my veins will pop from how mad i get

They will. Don't you worry about that.

 

[E-Cat]

Why do we need a thread with 25 pages of people saying "I don't feel empathy towards this person". Why can't this just be a 2 page thread for the few people who do want to wish him the best. What is this urge everyone has to come into a sad thread and say "I don't care." If you didn't care, then there'd be no reason to comment.

Because the flagrant irony of his privilege in the face of the deaths of those whom he denied the same care is sort of poignant, timely and impossible to ignore?

I'm not saying I don't feel empathy toward him, but I can understand the reaction.

 

[TumblingHippo]

There's a huge difference between lack of empathy and lack of sympathy. That said, a day later, and it's still hard for me to find sympathy, and people are free to comment on why they have these feelings because turns out, feelings are complex!

 

[jay]

People have a weird way of thinking others care about how they feel and start to grand stand about certain things. Its like the person that has to announce they are offended by something.

If you think no one cares about how you feel, why are you here?

 

[platocplx]

The lack of empathy in his thread is outstanding.

Remember the "he's no angel" defense. Mans sick and needs warm thoughts, no one is perfect.

This isn't the same at all.

So how would you think of a man that loves his wife, loves his immediate community. Kisses his kids at night. But hates that you exist and does everything in their power to make your life miserable and hard because of who you or a large swath of people like you are.

Are they good or bad?

Answer that. And you have have your answer as to why people in this thread are rightfully expressing indifference to this man.

 

[old manatee]

The lack of empathy in his thread is outstanding.

Remember the "he's no angel" defense. Mans sick and needs warm thoughts, no one is perfect.

He needs health care for his brain cancer, which he is going to get.

I'm reserving my empathy for the Americans without health care because of John McCain, some of whom also have brain cancer.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Yikes at this thread.

 

[Seth Enosh]

Why is people being positive worth commenting on but being negative isn't? McCain is a public figure whose role have had direct negative consequences on people. Countering the development of what you perceive as an erroneous narrative is indeed worth posting about. Sounds like you just want an echo chamber.

There is already many large threads on GAF where people comment negatively on the republican health care plan.

There's really no need to bring it into a thread about McCain being diagnosed with brain cancer.

That said, this thread doesn't surprise me at all after the GOP baseball shooting thread, there are a lot of people who were basically celebrating political assassination of their opponents in there, or saying that they "didn't care" like in this thread., e.g. http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=240700265#post240700265

I have no remorse for a party that wants to kick 25 million off healthcare. I wonder what healthcare he's on?​

Threads like these don't have just the civilized politics of someone like Obama or Hillary who tweeted best wishes to McCain yesterday, they are also places for people to express hatred and anger.

 

[rambis]

If you think no one cares about how you feel, why are you here?

Because I'm an adult who doesn't care about what others think of me? Especially randoms on the internet? Weird question honestly.

 

[slit]

Hope he pulls through. Cancer sucks.

Lots of pathetic posts in here. There seems to be quite an issue with people not being interested in constructive means of "resistance" (you know, like voting or campaigning or community work) who have instead decided being regressive assholes online is easier. I'm no fan of John McCain's politics, but to quote The Dude: you're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole.

Good, when the topic is about that, you can complain. How many time is this stupid false equivalency going to be brought up in this thread? I'm going over-under 220.

 

[excelsiorlef]

This is one of the ugliest threads I've seen in the history of this website. Some of you really need to check yourselves. Damn.

We've had threads where people go to bat for Milo ad nauseum, where people called a woman, who was called a Cambodian N word bitch by a racist man, a race baiter because she called him an entitled white man.... And that's just in the past few months... So spare me this idea that this is somehow the lowest of the low because people aren't being reverential enough to a man who has a proven tract record of hurting innocent people with his callous and discompassionate political actions.

 

[Hierophant]

okay think of it this way, you cannot callously condemn millions of americans to death and expect all of them to roll over and take it like a bunch of doormats

 

[rjinaz]

Hope he pulls through. Cancer sucks.

Lots of pathetic posts in here. There seems to be quite an issue with people not being interested in constructive means of "resistance" (you know, like voting or campaigning or community work) who have instead decided being regressive assholes online is easier. I'm no fan of John McCain's politics, but to quote The Dude: you're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole.

I'd like to think most people would wish him the best to his face if it came to it. Just as a human, I don't like it when anybody suffers period. But that doesn't mean we can't recognize the situation for what it is at the same time especially since it's just a discussion.

That said I have already stated I wish him the best, but, I completely understand other's that may not feel that way exactly.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

okay think of it this way, you cannot callously condemn millions of americans to death and expect all of them to roll over and take it like a bunch of doormats

But healthcare is just politics!

 

[PaulExcellent]

Because I'm an adult who doesn't care about what others think of me? Especially randoms on the internet? Weird question honestly.

But boy oh boy you gotta make sure you put your opinion up there as well.
I mean, because you're an adult, right?

Grow up.

 

[AntChum]

This is one of the ugliest threads I've seen in the history of this website. Some of you really need to check yourselves. Damn.

Nah, the threads dedicated to discussing the latest attempt by the GOP to fuck over millions of Americans will always be uglier than a smattering of users refusing to stan for an old, wrinkly scrotum of a man who just so happens to now be dying.

 

[Hierophant]

But healthcare is just politics!

as i've said before, politics is just a game to alot of people who aren't affected by it, its akin to wishing a rival team member to get better soon

except of course the rival team member is trying to take away healthcare from you and everyone you love

 

[E-Cat]

Right its awful how many people are downplaying the millions who dont have taxpayer health insurance for the health crisis of an single 80 year old man who has his health insurance paid by taxpayers.

Is this true, though? Not saying it isn't; but it seems to contradict what this congressman is saying (they could be lying, for all I know):

"I pay my own, and I pay my own insurance. ... So don't mislead and think that you're paying mine. I do. Also, every member of Congress, they pay for their own insurance, too. We are put into the exchange. We're not a federal employee. We go into the D.C. exchange and we personally have to pay for 100 percent of it. Not a percentage, all of it."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...heir-health-insurance/?utm_term=.ab892ac1aa1e

 

[Seth Enosh]

okay think of it this way, you cannot callously condemn millions of americans to death and expect all of them to roll over and take it like a bunch of doormats

Considering McCain is on record having problems with the new senate bill and isn't one of the people in the working group who developed it, this line of attack is also a little hard to understand. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news.../14/john-mccain-senate-health-bill/477485001/

He wasn't exactly a champion of the bill looking at the quotes in that article.

Is this true, though? Not saying it isn't; but it seems to contradict what this congressman said (they could be lying, for all I know):


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...heir-health-insurance/?utm_term=.ab892ac1aa1e

Congressmen do get a salary from the taxpayer so you could say we pay for anything they pay for.

McCain is independently wealthy anyway though, his wife is a heiress and absolutely loaded according to Wikipedia, and I think he came from a rich family himself. He didn't need taxpayer money for his insurance.

 

[Queen Vulpix]

I lost both my Aunt and Grandfather in the same year to cancer a little over a decade ago. I may not agree with his politics but I wish him well as cancer is terrible and I wouldn't wish it on anyone

 

[Hierophant]

Considering McCain is on record having problems with the new senate bill and isn't one of the people in the working group who developed it, this line of attack is also a little hard to understand. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news.../14/john-mccain-senate-health-bill/477485001/

He wasn't exactly a champion of the bill looking at the quotes in that article.

and yet whats funny to me is nobody in this thread is disputing that he would have voted for it, not a single person actually thinks he'll have a change of heart this time

 

[Couleurs]

Considering McCain is on record having problems with the new senate bill and isn't one of the people in the working group who developed it, this line of attack is also a little hard to understand. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news.../14/john-mccain-senate-health-bill/477485001/

He wasn't exactly a champion of the bill looking at the quotes in that article.

He has a long history of taking a public stance talking tough about how he opposes a shitty Republican proposal, before falling in line and voting for it.

 

[rambis]

okay think of it this way, you cannot callously condemn millions of americans to death and expect all of them to roll over and take it like a bunch of doormats

The huge gaping hole of this argument is that he isn't trying to simply deny healthcare to people because he's some selfish old fuck. He like many other Americans would like something that they view is best for everyone both fiscally and medically. Unless there is something that shows he isn't working in good faith then I think this "fuck him" response is hugely disproportionate.

The huge problem is this ongoing narrative that everyone who isn't a left leaning democrat is evil. The same vice-versa. Acting like this is just a black and white issue is disingenuous.

But boy oh boy you gotta make sure you put your opinion up there as well.
I mean, because you're an adult, right?

Grow up.

You've lost me.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Considering McCain is on record having problems with the new senate bill and isn't one of the people in the working group who developed it, this line of attack is also a little hard to understand. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news.../14/john-mccain-senate-health-bill/477485001/

He wasn't exactly a champion of the bill looking at the quotes in that article.


Congressmen do get a salary from the taxpayer so you could say we pay for anything they pay for.

McCain is independently wealthy anyway though, his wife is a heiress and absolutely loaded according to Wikipedia, and I think he came from a rich family himself. He didn't need taxpayer money for his insurance.

https://www.healthreformvotes.org/congress/300071

That's his beautiful track record on health care reform. Spare this he wasn't a enemy to Affordable care for Americans.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

But where's the empathy for the victims? Do you think the survivors would take comfort in knowing the their tormentor was able to quietly go on their way, or rather just add another layer of anguish to their situation? You don't have to celebrate, but to actively help someone who has hurt so many is also actively disrespecting said victims. Is making that person feel better at their end worth the added suffering to all the people still left behind?

Empathy is an enviable trait, but it absolutey can be misused and/or misplaced. Kindness has its place, but ignoring justice leads down its own dark path.

Yeah, I'm with you, I just don't think it's particularly harmful in this case since it literally has no impact or effect.

Saying that spineless little keyboard warriors would have killed themselves if they were subjected to the torture that he was? Yeah, I used strong words. Words that I used against people shitting on a dying man that has endured atrocities that none of us can even fathom. You are so insufferable dude, stop with your condescending nonsense.

To quote Massive Duck, C.M.: lack of self-awareness is like *mwah*

Sigh... I said I wish him nothing but pain and misery a couple of days ago out of anger and fear. I'm not glad this happened to him, but I still don't feel any different. I know he will have access to some fantastic treatments that many wouldn't if he was well and voted for that stupid healthcare bill. Enjoy your tax payer paid healthcare, McCain. Everyone should deserve it, even you, but I know you'd take it away from everyone and let millions die in the same position as you.



Spineless, am I? At age 7, I was kidnapped and forced into child prostitution for two months. In that time they brainwashed and tortured me to like it, and even after I was save, I was always manipulated and sexually abused by others all the way until 16. The hell I've been through; the electrocution, the whipping, the beatings, the stabbing and cutting, the burning, the mutilations. Do you know what it's like to have this imagery in my head? Do you want to know what its like to see those events again and again, never stopping, to even remember the pain inflicted all over your body? To the point you can't sleep or eat, you can't even leave your house without fear? Where you're so scared of everyone, even your own mother, and you fear every touch someone gives you?

I've went through this hell as a kid, and I fight everyday to not commit suicide because I'm a mental mess that will never recover fully to this day. I need my weekly therapist visits and monthly psychiatrist visits to make sure I'm medicated and functional. Plus add to it cirrhosis of the liver that I had since I was 12ish that my doctors have to keep in constant check. If the Affordable Care Act was repealed, I would slowly suffer and likely die because I can't afford treatment.

The only one that's spineless is people defending a monster like McCain because "he did a service to his country" and "he just has different views." Well those different views means life and death to people like me, and he's in the position of power to decide if I die or if I live and he's on the side that wants me dead. Excuse us if we get emotional and say "fuck McCain and the rest of the GOP" despite their shit health situation. They don't have to worry about having their life being hung in the balance by a people in power.

I have no words. *hugs*

Underrated post.

Why thank you. I guess I was too subtle

OK, edgelord.

Okay, WTF is "edgelord" about what they said? Explain this, because my mind is rather boggled now. Opposing the Vietnam war isn't being a edgelord, holy shit.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...y-got-married-then-everything-changed-6433344

here is confirmation of it.

Well that was just heartbreaking.

 

[benicillin]

Is this true, though? Not saying it isn't; but it seems to contradict what this congressman is saying (they could be lying, for all I know):


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...heir-health-insurance/?utm_term=.ab892ac1aa1e

After the ACA they do get their healthcare through the exchanges but the federal government subsidizes like 75% of their premiums along with some other benefits:

However, there are two areas where Members of Congress (not staff or family members) can receive free or low-cost health care that the average citizen cannot access. The first is having access to the Office of the Attending Physician. For an annual fee (unspecified), MOC can receive limited care for routine examinations, consultations, and certain diagnostic tests.

The second option is also only available to current Members of Congress. In the Capital region only, they may receive free medical outpatient care at military facilities. If they are outside of the Capital region or if they need inpatient care, then MOC must pay 100 percent of the full cost of that military health care.

Plus if they get rid of the ACA they can just go back on the Federal healthcare they had before, unlike the millions of Americans who would just lose it.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

The huge gaping hole of this argument is that he isn't trying to simply deny healthcare to people because he's some selfish old fuck. He like many other Americans would like something that they view is best for everyone both fiscally and medically. Unless there is something that shows he isn't working in good faith then I think this "fuck him" response is hugely disproportionate.

The huge problem is this ongoing narrative that everyone who isn't a left leaning democrat is evil. The same vice-versa. Acting like this is just a black and white issue is disingenuous.

I mean... the data as been pretty clear on what would happen if the bills the GOP are putting forward are allowed to become law. 17 million kicked off insurance in year one alone. Premiums up 25%. Less coverage.

How do you spin that as best for anyone? To save some money for the deficit? As they also love throwing billions more dollars at developing new bombs?

 

[E-Cat]

The lack of empathy in his thread is outstanding.

Remember the "he's no angel" defense. Mans sick and needs warm thoughts, no one is perfect.

Yeah, no cold thoughts ever killed anyone. I vouch for this man's right to a humane existence, which includes receiving the very best care for his condition.

Fuck him for denying others the same treatment.

 

[platocplx]

Is this true, though? Not saying it isn't; but it seems to contradict what this congressman is saying (they could be lying, for all I know):


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...heir-health-insurance/?utm_term=.ab892ac1aa1e

they dont pay 100% they pay about 18% while the govt covers about 72% of the costs.

https://www.marketplace.org/2017/07...e-where-us-congress-buys-its-health-insurance

and it apparently is via an exchange based on the obamacare changes. so taxpayers pay for 72%. i stand corrected.

 

[excelsiorlef]

What McCain ought to entitled to: Compassionate care from medical professionals at an affordable rate


What McCain is not entitled to: My thoughts/prayer/whatever you want to call it.

 

[Big Baybee]

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...y-got-married-then-everything-changed-6433344

here is confirmation of it.

But we should feel bad for this man?

 

[rambis]

I mean... the data as been pretty clear on what would happen if the bills the GOP are putting forward are allowed to become law. 17 million kicked off insurance in year one alone. Premiums up 25%. Less coverage.

How do you spin that as best for anyone? To save some money for the deficit? As they also love throwing billions more dollars at developing new bombs?

To some in this nation, "debt we pass to our children and grandchildren" is a huge issue. More important than healthcare which alot of people still wish wasn't mandatory. Again you may not necessarily agree but that doesn't necessarily make the other side's argument evil.

 

[jay]

Because I'm an adult who doesn't care about what others think of me? Especially randoms on the internet? Weird question honestly.

So you share your thoughts with random people despite having no interest what they may think of them or how they may react. This is more convincing if you don't register an account or use the Submit Reply button. Or respond to people who quote you.

 

[Sai-kun]

The lack of empathy in his thread is outstanding.

Remember the "he's no angel" defense. Mans sick and needs warm thoughts, no one is perfect.

hes gonna die anyways

Thoughts and prayers never helped anyone lmao

 

[Samurai G0SU]

 

[Jackpot]

Countering the development of what you perceive as an erroneous narrative is indeed worth posting about.

There is already many large threads on GAF where people comment negatively on the republican health care plan.

I'm not talking about the health plan. That's only the most recent event in McCain's long history.

I'm talking about the media already setting up the false narrative of his "legacy" of being a tough, no-nonsense maverick when he's just another homophobic racist who cultivated a tough-guy image but was establishment at they come and rolled over on everything that mattered like the spineless hypocrite he was.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

There's a time and place to shit on McCain. I don't think a thread about him having cancer is that place. But there's an irony given he doesn't think healthcare is a right. So I get that for sure.

I'm an edgelord because I don't think participating in the destruction of another country is worth honouring? Jesus Christ

You act like he was personally responsible for that fiasco. Give me a break. There's definitely reasons to dislike McCain especially the hypocrisy in his stance on healthcare but Vietnam? Nah.

I'm not talking about the health plan. That's only the most recent event in McCain's long history.

I'm talking about the media already setting up the false narrative of his "legacy" of being a tough, no-nonsense maverick when he's just another homophobic racist who cultivated a tough-guy image but was establishment at they come rolled over on everything that mattered like the spineless hypocrite he was.

Now this is fair, lol.

 

[platocplx]

To some in this nation, "debt we pass to our children and grandchildren" is a huge issue. More important than healthcare which alot of people still wish wasn't mandatory. Again you may not necessarily agree but that doesn't necessarily make the other side's argument evil.

You do understand debt is really just a promise to pay back and what really would even happen if that debt was not paid back?

Most of human civilization is based on gentleman's agreements as to why people worrying about debt at the govt level is a farce that debt can be there forever and nothing would ever happen if a vast majority said fuck you im not paying you back lol.

hes gonna die anyways

Thoughts and prayers never helped anyone lmao

if prayers healed we wouldnt even have these healthcare debate items and his cancer would magically be cured yesterday.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

But we should feel bad for this man?

Can people take back their thoughts and prayers or are those non-refundable?