PewDiePie "What a f***ing n*****." out of frustration when his teammate dies.

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Mousnis said:
Pew said something offensive live and that's bad. He should be careful. He deserves to be called out. Not defending his stupidity.

So now that's out of the way, why do people have issue about what anyone says or does when nobody hears them?

Have you not said anything offensive while being enraged?
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It's real fucking sad that you think "offensive" and "hate speech" are the same fucking thing.
 
Alienfan said:
Unless you're immune from psychological priming, dehumanizing language like n*gger or f*ggot being apart of your vocabulary (doesn't matter if it's in private) is not a good thing. These words have context that if used, affect the way you perceive and treat others
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I googled that but can't understand a word i'm reading. Could you explain what it means with more simple words please?
 
Mousnis said:
Pew said something offensive live and that's bad. He should be careful. He deserves to be called out. Not defending his stupidity.

So now that's out of the way, why do people have issue about what anyone says or does when nobody hears them?

Have you not said anything offensive while being enraged? I see this very often and i do it myself sometimes. Not with this particular word (i live in Greece so this word doesn't even really exist here). But in Greece one of the most offensive things you can do is say something offensive about the christian religion and it's icons. Even the equivalent of something like "Jesus fucking christ" would get you banned from most Greek forums.

Sometimes, when i'm ALONE and something really infuriating happens and i get enraged, i start spewing obscenities about any religion icon that comes to my head. Because i know it's offensive. Because i know it's wrong. But doing something you know it's wrong or potentially damaging while nobody is there to affect can be cathartic. It's the equivalent of punching a wall or smashing things but with words. You want to cause damage and chaos but not really. It doesn't mean i'm a satanist or that i hate Jesus and i would never say those things near a christian. I'm not saying it's a healthy thing to do either, best thing is to be able to control your nerves but it's not always something you can control.
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I know it might sound a little out there, but I've never said the n-word in anger, even when I'm on my own.
 
Mousnis said:
Pew said something offensive live and that's bad. He should be careful. He deserves to be called out. Not defending his stupidity.

So now that's out of the way, why do people have issue about what anyone says or does when nobody hears them?

Have you not said anything offensive while being enraged? I see this very often and i do it myself sometimes. Not with this particular word (i live in Greece so this word doesn't even really exist here). But in Greece one of the most offensive things you can do is say something offensive about the christian religion and it's icons. Even the equivalent of something like "Jesus fucking christ" would get you banned from most Greek forums.

Sometimes, when i'm ALONE and something really infuriating happens and i get enraged, i start spewing obscenities about any religion icon that comes to my head. Because i know it's offensive. Because i know it's wrong. But doing something you know it's wrong or potentially damaging while nobody is there to affect can be cathartic. It's the equivalent of punching a wall or smashing things but with words. You want to cause damage and chaos but not really. It doesn't mean i'm a satanist or that i hate Jesus and i would never say those things near a christian. I'm not saying it's a healthy thing to do either, best thing is to be able to control your nerves but it's not always something you can control.
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Yes, I say curse words on my own when I stub my toe or whatever. I never used a racial slur on my table then however. If you are on your own and you randomly use racial slurs, you got problems. That is not normal behavior. And it is not the same as saying "Jesus fucking Christ".
 
Mousnis said:
I googled that but can't understand a word i'm reading. Could you explain what it means with more simple words please?
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You associate a certain word with an concept.

Say the color red and your mind will think of hearts or strawberries.

What does your mind associate with the word "Nigger"? because it aint an orange and you fucking know it.
 
joe2187 said:
I cant even

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Both sides nonsense and a splash of martyr complex - typical. His behaviour on GAF during "GamerGate" was embarrassing and revealing, and it's clear he hasn't changed a bit.
 
He doesn't care that he's racist, saying racist shit.

That's all that it boils down to in the end. He doesn't give a fuck about what comes out of his mouth, as long as he's a rich millionaire, he'll continue to say whatever. The act is over. The curtain has fallen a long time ago.

He just doesn't care.
 
mashoutposse said:
He's clearly trolling the media and his haters, but given his audience's youth and impressionability, this one solidly crosses the line.
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How could you honestly call this random angry outburst that he immediately realized he fucked up afterward "trolling"?

Unless ^this is the troll
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I don't get why people keep giving this jerk the time of day.

I am black and after watching that video I will not support nor give him the time of day... it's really that simple.


It's sad that so any racist and sexist are in gaming but when you think about it this makes sense. A lot of these dudes have zero social awarenesss outside of what they see on the internet.
 
kmax said:
He doesn't care that he's racist, saying racist shit.

That's all that it boils down to in the end. He doesn't give a fuck about what comes of of his mouth, as long as he's a rich millionaire, he'll continue to say whatever. The act is over. The curtain has fallen a long time ago.

He just doesn't care.
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and the worst part is? He'll get away with it. Will he get blackballed by the youtube or video game community or by any money-hungry corporation looking to ride the pewdiepie money train? hell no.
 
Herr Schwarz said:
I think what's sadder is all these massive obviously racist YouTubers put on a show, shit out tacit dog whistle racist shit. and we wonder why we have a new generation of fucking assholes shitting out breitbart talking points.

Jontron, Pewdiepie, they're gateway douchebags.

And believe that they're dog whistling a bunch of kids, pre-grooming them, to be racist cunts ready to become true believers.
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Bingo

A bunch of privileged kids that feel like they're been slighted by society that appeal to the same demographic - people who get annoyed when they see a woman in a tentpole franchise or get annoyed when the media make fun of nerd stereotypes.

They build an audience by being shocking - old fashioned juvenile tastelessness - gets by because "boys will be boys"

Then they get to the point that they think they're Ayn Rand and they can comfortably air their awful opinions, having felt like "left-wing conspiracy" keeps them from having shitty thoughts.

And the kids who can't parse comedy from reality, or see these people as respectful comedians, they fall into it too.

And then Trump becomes president and you can say whatever the hell you want.

And then I have a cry ;(
 
I feel this incident shows how audio leaking of Trump using the n word would have been received. Self described centrists still try to find ways to both sides it and people who ignore all other obvious acts of racism find a way to ignore this one too.
 
I mean, it's kind of beside the point, but Pewdiepie's face, and the way he says the N word, just makes me want to beat the shit out of the guy. He just comes off as a huge douchebag piece of shit.

Anyway, yeah, what an idiot and I hope he goes away forever, but unfortunately, there's a ton of hateful people in gaming and youtube culture that will defend him and keep watching.
 
Mahonay said:
Lol what the fuck
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Stead Fast said:
Crossed the line this time? You mean all the rape jokes he was making years ago was fine? Or the Nazi normalising?
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BocoDragon said:
How could you honestly call this random angry outburst that he immediately realized he fucked up afterward "trolling"?

Unless ^this is the troll
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I don't follow Pewdiepie. Delving into the previous scandal, it is clear that the media was either being disingenuous or lazy in reporting obvious (and tasteless) jokes and his general act as serious messaging. It seems to me that he's been trolling them ever since.
 
The fact people can create such a massive audience for themselves, whom will defend whatever they do no matter how serious is pretty scary.
 
mashoutposse said:
I don't follow Pewdiepie. Delving into the previous scandal, it is clear that the media was either being disingenuous or lazy in reporting obvious (and tasteless) jokes and his general act as serious messaging. It seems to me that he's been trolling them ever since.
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Just like the KKK is just trolling.

It's just a prank, bro! Lololol
 
mashoutposse said:
I don't follow Pewdiepie. Delving into the previous scandal, it is clear that the media was either being disingenuous or lazy in reporting obvious (and tasteless) jokes and his general act as serious messaging. It seems to me that he's been trolling them ever since.
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People with huge following from children and teens need to be scrutinised. If these things are let to pass without a bar of an eye, it can lead into normalisation of using racial slurs/jokes oppressing minorities in everyday life like it's nothing.
 
mashoutposse said:
I don't follow Pewdiepie. Delving into the previous scandal, it is clear that the media was either being disingenuous or lazy in reporting obvious (and tasteless) jokes and his general act as serious messaging. It seems to me that he's been trolling them ever since.
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You don't need to follow him at all: the whole point of today's scandal is that it couldn't possibly be trolling and it demolishes the defence that his racism is purely satirical.

Whatever "both sides" media you got this "it's just trolling" view from (was it Joe Rogen interviewing Sargon of Akkad perhaps? Dave Rubin?).... that view is over and proven wrong. I could have almost believed it once... but no, that possibility is over.

PewDiePie shits out the n-word as an angry slur in the heat of the moment, not thought out clever satirical trolling. After today, that is fact.
 
mashoutposse said:
I don't follow Pewdiepie.
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mashoutposse said:
He's clearly trolling the media and his haters, but given his audience's youth and impressionability, this one solidly crosses the line.
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Then what did you mean when you said 'this one'?

Please clarify.

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As a follow up, please specify what this 'media' is in your explanations, media is a blanket term to cover an astounding amount of information being shared by millions, if not billions of people worldwide. Was he trolling is as a collective, Including his own platform that is already in disrepair through hate speech? What a good troll!

And his haters too. I'd like to hear who you define his 'haters' as.

Is it us? Black people? 'The Media' people? his former sponsors?
 
mashoutposse said:
I don't follow Pewdiepie. Delving into the previous scandal, it is clear that the media was either being disingenuous or lazy in reporting obvious (and tasteless) jokes and his general act as serious messaging. It seems to me that he's been trolling them ever since.
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The previous reporting on him was not disingenuous or lazy.

Using racial slurs is not "trolling".

Is this really the level we are at now. Calling people racial slurs is seen as trolling the media? Come on now, you can't possibly believe this.

Plus, that would make it even worse. Since that would mean he came up with this plan to "troll" the media. So he started this stream with the intent to use racial slurs.
 
How have we managed to get this thread this length? This issue is as clear as day. I can't believe there is actually a discussion to be had other than a plethora of voices coming in saying "what a racist POS, I wont be giving this asshole the time of day from here on in." the both sides argument or people making excuses for his behaviour are the fucking problem. This is unacceptable, he wasnt being satirical, he wasnt trolling the media, he is a racist asshole who let his mask slip which he has done time and again and people need to stop defending him.

The fact that he has a platform that influences young folk is seriously concerning,
 
mashoutposse said:
I don't follow Pewdiepie. Delving into the previous scandal, it is clear that the media was either being disingenuous or lazy in reporting obvious (and tasteless) jokes and his general act as serious messaging. It seems to me that he's been trolling them ever since.
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Disney trolled him right back.

Hope more sponsors and video game publishers troll him with DMCA takedowns.
 
Burbeting said:
People with huge following from children and teens need to be scrutinised. If these things are let to pass without a bar of an eye, it can lead into normalisation of using racial slurs/jokes oppressing minorities in everyday life like it's nothing.
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I fully agree with you. I believe this clearly crosses the line; we can do without a new generation of people who freely toss around slurs in chat rooms, YouTube comments, on the basketball court, or wherever.

BocoDragon said:
You don't need to follow him at all: the whole point of today's scandal is that it couldn't possibly be trolling and it demolishes the defence that his racism is purely satirical.

Whatever "both sides" media you got this "it's just trolling" view from (was it Joe Rogen interviewing Sargon of Akkad perhaps? Dave Rubin?).... that view is over and proven wrong. I could have almost believed it once... but no, that possibility is over.

PewDiePie shits out the n-word as an angry slur in the heat of the moment, not thought out clever satirical trolling. After today, that is fact.
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My viewpoint was developed purely from my own research of the actual material in question specifically to form my own unbiased opinion. I don't agree that him inartfully throwing out a slur during a very public live feed definitively solidifies him as a racist and isn't part of a media trolling campaign. I do believe that he fucked up this time as n****r is one of the super-untouchables in American culture (for obvious good reason).
 
mashoutposse said:
I don't follow Pewdiepie. Delving into the previous scandal, it is clear that the media was either being disingenuous or lazy in reporting obvious (and tasteless) jokes and his general act as serious messaging. It seems to me that he's been trolling them ever since.
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That's quite the assumption given it was a live stream and not pre-recorded upload. What is it with some people and their habit of excusing racism as "mental illness" and/or "trolling" or "joking" that shifts responsibility for their actions?
 
Symphonia said:
Twitch. He was playing PUBG, got in to a tiny skirmish on a bridge, and reacted terribly to being shot at. He “apologised” immediately after, but the damage was done.
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Had a look at a full video of the thing, and it has donations through "super chat" on it, which implies it actually happened on youtube.

So yeah, happened on youTube.
 
i-Lo said:
That's quite the assumption given it was a live stream and not pre-recorded upload. What is it with some people and their habit of excusing racism as "mental illness" and/or "trolling" or "joking" that shifts responsibility for their actions?
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The mental illness one is excruciatingly insulting to both black people and those with mental health issues. Racism is born out of hatred, no matter how much some people on here like to hide it's use behind 'they're just trolling', it isn't a mental condition, that implies the person is blameless for having such views. It also implies that any person who does have a mental health issue is also associated with these bigots.
 
mashoutposse said:
My viewpoint was developed purely from my own research of the actual material in question specifically to form my own unbiased opinion. I don't agree that him inartfully throwing out a slur during a very public live feed definitively solidifies him as a racist and isn't part of a media trolling campaign. I do believe that he fucked up this time as n****r is one of the super-untouchables in American culture (for obvious good reason).
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I don't think it solidifies him as a secret Klan member who has complex ideas about racial ethno-states or anything.

But I think it factually solidifies him as a person who ultimately acts in a racist way whether he knows it or not. A person who has no problem using racist words for humour, shock, etc. And I do think that that it was a factually non-trolling use of the word. It's not trolling if you go "oops" afterward! He knew he fucked up.

I don't think he should be hunted down and hated as a monster... but dethroned as an entertainment role model for children? yup.
 
Let us entertain that this was trolling of media and whatnot).

It is the casual use of a very racist and degrading word that has its basis from an extremely sad history for mankind. His usage normalise it since it was so casual. And when his fan base it majority in younger people, this can have a bad effect for the meaning and impact this word have.

So it doesn't matter if it was a joke and trolling, it still cause damage that can be very hard to repair.
 
BocoDragon said:
You don't need to follow him at all: the whole point of today's scandal is that it couldn't possibly be trolling and it demolishes the defence that his racism is purely satirical.

Whatever "both sides" media you got this "it's just trolling" view from (was it Joe Rogen interviewing Sargon of Akkad perhaps? Dave Rubin?).... that view is over and proven wrong. I could have almost believed it once... but no, that possibility is over.

PewDiePie shits out the n-word as an angry slur in the heat of the moment, not thought out clever satirical trolling. After today, that is fact.
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BocoDragon said:
I don't think it solidifies him as a secret Klan member who has complex ideas about racial ethno-states or anything.

But I think it factually solidifies him as a person who ultimately acts in a racist way whether he knows it or not. A person who has no problem using racist words for humour, shock, etc. And I do think that that it was a factually non-trolling use of the word. It's not trolling if you go "oops" afterward! He knew he fucked up.

I don't think he should be hunted down and hated as a monster... but dethroned as an entertainment role model for children? yup.
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Hit the nail on the head....twice
 
Symphonia said:
PDP’s actions as of late seem to prove that he too is serious.
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I may lack sufficient context and experience with his 'work.' It doesn't make sense to me that a guy with a multi-million dollar/year media business that transacts purely on his personal brand would be serious (or, specifically, be serious in public). I'm not in his head; I could definitely be wrong.

Stead Fast said:
Then what did you mean when you said 'this one'?

Please clarify.

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As a follow up, please specify what this 'media' is in your explanations, media is a blanket term to cover an astounding amount of information being shared by millions, if not billions of people worldwide. Was he trolling is as a collective, Including his own platform that is already in disrepair through hate speech? What a good troll!

And his haters too. I'd like to hear who you define his 'haters' as.

Is it us? Black people? 'The Media' people? his former sponsors?
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Media = WSJ and other professional media that hopped on the WSJ story.

Haters = Consumers of the WSJ story who took it at face value and used it as an opportunity to bash "YouTube stars" in general and pile on Pewdiepie specifically.

ClosingADoor said:
The previous reporting on him was not disingenuous or lazy.

Using racial slurs is not "trolling".

Is this really the level we are at now. Calling people racial slurs is seen as trolling the media? Come on now, you can't possibly believe this.

Plus, that would make it even worse. Since that would mean he came up with this plan to "troll" the media. So he started this stream with the intent to use racial slurs.
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I remember playing SOCOM on PS2 back in 2001 and people saying tons of deplorable stuff given the novelty of anonymous voice chat. I think it'd be weird to believe that every one of those things were said perfectly seriously and not for pure shock value ("trolling"). I think it is possible for someone to use the N-word and not be racist.

The fact that he called some faceless Caucasian video game avatar on a screen "n****r" proves my point in a way. Based on what we know about this guy, do you honestly believe he'd call an actual black person that, or even a black videogame avatar?

Kill Your Masters said:
Disney trolled him right back.

Hope more sponsors and video game publishers troll him with DMCA takedowns.
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That's definitely their right. In this case, they probably should. He fucked up.
 
mashoutposse said:
I remember playing SOCOM on PS2 back in 2001 and people saying tons of deplorable stuff given the novelty of anonymous voice chat. I think it'd be weird to believe that every one of those things were said perfectly seriously and not for pure shock value ("trolling"). I think it is possible for someone to use the N-word and not be racist.

The fact that he called some faceless Caucasian video game avatar on a screen "n****r" proves my point in a way. Based on what we know about this guy, do you honestly believe he'd call an actual black person that, or even a black videogame avatar?
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It's not 2001.

PewDiePie is not someone who got just introduced to voice chat.

He has been called out on his behavior before, but continues to do it, and even makes it worse.

He used it as a direct insult.

He laughed about it.

No, I don't think he would call someone that in person, because he'd be afraid to get a punch in the face.

mashoutposse said:
Media = WSJ and other professional media that hopped on the WSJ story.

Haters = Consumers of the WSJ story who took it at face value and used it as an opportunity to bash "YouTube stars" in general and pile on Pewdiepie specifically.
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We really need to do this again? The WSJ had no fault in their reporting. Any celebrity who does the things he does gets called out over it. That is not being a "hater" or whatever.
 
The person he's playing with is just as bad. "You're from a different culture so you have a different filter.. that's the only explanation" . No the only explanation is that he's racist.
 
mashoutposse said:
I fully agree with you. I believe this clearly crosses the line; we can do without a new generation of people who freely toss around slurs in chat rooms, YouTube comments, on the basketball court, or wherever.



My viewpoint was developed purely from my own research of the actual material in question specifically to form my own unbiased opinion. I don't agree that him inartfully throwing out a slur during a very public live feed definitively solidifies him as a racist and isn't part of a media trolling campaign. I do believe that he fucked up this time as n****r is one of the super-untouchables in American culture(for obvious good reason).
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For someone that doesn't follow him you sure are defending him a lot. You also haven't explained how inadvertently revealing yourself to being a racist by saying something racist is 'trolling' anyone.

Also lol at the bolded statements.
 
mashoutposse said:
I may lack sufficient context and experience with his 'work.' It doesn't make sense to me that a guy with a multi-million dollar/year media business that transacts purely on his personal brand would be serious (or, specifically, be serious in public). I'm not in his head; I could definitely be wrong.



Media = WSJ and other professional media that hopped on the WSJ story.

Haters = Consumers of the WSJ story who took it at face value and used it as an opportunity to bash "YouTube stars" in general and pile on Pewdiepie specifically.



I remember playing SOCOM on PS2 back in 2001 and people saying tons of deplorable stuff given the novelty of anonymous voice chat. I think it'd be weird to believe that every one of those things were said perfectly seriously and not for pure shock value ("trolling"). I think it is possible for someone to use the N-word and not be racist.

The fact that he called some faceless Caucasian video game avatar on a screen "n****r" proves my point in a way. Based on what we know about this guy, do you honestly believe he'd call an actual black person that, or even a black videogame avatar?



That's definitely their right. In this case, they probably should. He fucked up.
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No offense but even for shock value/shock comedy, why should people get to use the N-word and other slurs freely? I don't think your anecdote bout SOCOM necessarily holds up considering society in general tries to say that these things aren't acceptable, and people are generally cognizant of what certain terms mean.

Unless you live in a racist family I'm not sure any reasonable person would think that the N-word is acceptable in any situation. As far as the anecdotes go...

I played OW a while ago and we needed a healer...so I went Lucio and immediately had someone screaming "Not the N***** boy"...and this continued even when I asked him to shut up and pointed out I was white : /

Ignorance is not an excuse
 
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